for those outside the UK, we're not all like this, honestly.FA to investigate Edinson Cavani | This thread is taking a break
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for those outside the UK, we're not all like this, honestly.You got me, I am the raging racist because I am not telling someone the words they can use in their own language.
I think the people who are offended are the actual racists for not respecting the Uruguayan culture.
words and contracts in European languages historically intended as white supremacy and black inferiority.
It's really not difficult to grasp unless one revel's in that superiority and so is blind to it.
Meanwhile, we latin americans (negritos and not negritos) wrote the word “negritos” in an uk forum over a thousand times
im your face sammsky1!!!
im your face sammsky1!!!
Meanwhile, we latin americans (negritos and not negritos) wrote the word “negritos” in an uk forum over a thousand times
im your face sammsky1!!!
there's a also a huge island called "Negro" in the Filipines
imagine a guy trying to explain were he is from
English Authorities (according to some posters here): "nope, you don't come from "Negro", and, btw you are fined for being racist, you fecking underdeveloped person"
cracking insultYeah, I quite like your country. Please do your best to keep sammsky out of parliament so that we can keep liking it.
Sadly for you, your football club and Football Association that governs it, is.
Has anyone produced the T-shirts yet?
I don't know what is the problem and why people are making things to big. If Cavani broke TheFA rules he should be punished in some way. In worst case few games ban. Sadly. Rules are there to follow, even if they seem to be stupid to some.
The world has become to fragile and people are easy offended by everything nowdays. There is just to much hatred and conflicts about nothing. However, if he broke rules he has to have punishment regardless what we think of rules. This is still UK and there is some rules that needs to be followed.
What club and player did in press realese was very good and we should leave it that way. No "free Cavani" shirts, no protest, no violence. Just accept whatever it is and move on.
The world has become to fragile and people are easy offended by everything nowdays. There is just to much hatred and conflicts about nothing. However, if he broke rules he has to have punishment regardless what we think of rules. This is still UK and there is some rules that needs to be followed.
What club and player did in press realese was very good and we should leave it that way. No "free Cavani" shirts, no protest, no violence. Just accept whatever it is and move on.
Hmmmm, weren’t you the one threatening to report people for “lying about you” earlier?
Frankly I think Sammsky owes Marcos a sincere apology or Marcos, as the injured party, should be able to decide what the punishment is.
Our efforts to keep nutters out of positions of power haven't been very effective in recent years I'm afraid...
Thing is, in a globalized world, "negrito" might become a disdained phrasing. You know, in Germany we have the phrase "ruhig Brauner". It translates to "calm down, brown boy" or "calm down, brownie" so it seems obvious where it came from. However, it originally stems from Western films since "Brauner" is a common reference to a brown horse so it never had any racist meaning. Yet nowadays one might already feel uncomfortable saying it since you know how it could be understood. Meanings change over time and through the influence of different cultures, Latinos might become more hesitant to use that phrase.
However, you can't accuse somebody of racism if he didn't mean it the way you understood it. And thinking that somebody deserves to be punished for saying something that has an absolutely innocent meaning in their culture and language is mental. I guarantee you that you use words which sound offensive in other languages, too.
You know the phrase "to each their own"? I try to avoid it after learning that it was the motto of a Nazi concentration camp. If you say that in the company of the wrong people, they might feel seriously offended. Do you think you'd deserve to be beat up for it?
This is a very English-centric viewpoint. The word 'negro' meaning black in Spanish is not intended as a marker for black inferiority - that is only the case in English.
Stop using it in English, sure. But demanding the Spanish change their language to accomodate English? This is why people accuse you of British Imperialism.
In Hungarian, black is 'fekete'. Is that OK with you, or should we stop using it and find something else?
Are you going to dox me if I don’t?
Again I'll claim? Since when have I claimed that?
As I've stated, even to you, the word can clearly come off as offensive to someone unfamiliar with it, which is why I think it's a good idea to avoid using it in public. The post was up for at least 26 minutes, long enough for a team mate or club employee to see it and go "hey mate, this might inadvertently cause some offense." Cavani is probably a decent person, and after being made aware of how the term may be perceived as offensive in the UK, decided to remove it. Or I guess you could dream up a situation where the club and player panicked and did the speediest social media post removal in human history to make it sound way more dramatic and serious than it has any right being.
Personally think we should terminate his contract ASAP, especially considering recent events and all the BLM protests. I'm genuinely scared for guys like Rashford, Martial and the rest of our BAME players if we keep someone like Cavani at this club.
Not sure why you quote me saying this? As in I clearly did not write what you quoted me as writing in that message.
Essentially.there's a also a huge island called "Negro" in the Filipines
imagine a guy trying to explain were he is from
English Authorities (according to some posters here): "nope, you don't come from "Negro", and, btw you are fined for being racist, you fecking underdeveloped person"
Ah this again. You have a very poor grasp of reality my friend.
I'll ignore everything that's been said before (for now).
A few posters who are from South America (at least one actually from Uruguay) have explained that in their language/culture, the word ISN'T racist.
I get that there are lots of things in the world that one country/culture finds acceptable and another doesn't. But can you not see that this case is different.. because the word isn't one you can literally translate and then guage that TRANSLATED word against Western culture?
It's almost like meaning in language involves over time, which explains why a certain word that describes a bundle of sticks has loads of them, neutral, positive, and negative.
I’ve been there four times
UK rocks! Of course sammsky is not the norm!
You established through previous actions and behaviours that you’re not a friend.
fair enough if that's how you handle it.
Woody's preparing a bid for a few dozen. We should have them in time for PSG on Wednesday.
You hang out with people who scream negrito proudly where ever they can, of course you won’t meet anti racists like me
Out of interest if 2 black players address themselves with the n word like some black people are known to do...will they get done for racism?
I’m not sure why I found this post so funny.He should call his friends of Croydon ”Negrito”
Reported for lying once again about about @Marcosdeto saidYou hang out with people who scream negrito proudly where ever they can, of course you won’t meet anti racists like me
How about you just stop being foolish.
You don’t get it, in other parts of the world/certain contexts that word isn’t offensive.You hang out with people who scream negrito proudly where ever they can, of course you won’t meet anti racists like me
You can apply this to English words too, some words have multiple meanings.
Do you not get how you’re actually being really offensive?
Plenty of racist Brexit people here and in our parliament don’t worry about that.
I've just ordered mine.
I think you miss a big point, there isn't really a word that you can translate in any language to be literally racist, even the ones which were once used in the US like "negro" (in fact stolen from Latin America) but we won't get into that.
What made it a racist term as like "coloured" in the US and UK and now "urban" in some context now in the UK was the context around it and the culture, not the words specifically.
The context being it is now culturally unacceptable in Western Culture to refer to someone by their race, no matter what word you use.
The word black in English is not a racist term, but if I refer to someone who is black as "Hey black" there will be a problem in the UK, this isn't a language issue as really its more a cultural one which shows the cultural differences between Western culture and Latin American.
Describing features and race is prevalent in their language and widely accepted in their culture.
Focusing on the actual word used misses this nuance, equally, there could be an issue if he used the term "chinito"
With all that said, I don't believe we can expect Cavani to know all of this as someone who has hardly lived in the UK or US, but I'm sure he will probably not post something like that on social media again. Also its not for one culture to preach to another what is right or wrong.
He just happens to be playing in a UK based league which has UK based rules and guidelines.
Did you miss this post @sammsky1
Shut up u egg
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