[Red00012]

So we will lose this Saturday?

We’re shite at home

 

[Godfather]

7 defensive players to start the game. We got what we deserved.

I also imagined Ole bringing on 3 defenders when we were losing. I say imagined because there's no way that happened?

Ole needs to go

Pretty much

 

[Tapori]

Ive got no problem with 3-5-2 but there was no outlet in midfield. It should have been DVB or Pogba alongside Matic for me. Move it quicker and give them something to think about but we surrendered the 1st half to them quite easily with the way we set up.

Agreed.

 

[Ranchero]

Ole: "We weren't good enough". Sorry Ole, YOU, weren't good enough.

 

[morbidsaint]

Leipzig cost about 20 quid to put together, they were without their 2 best players and we recently thumped them 5-0 so what does Ole do? Plays a back 7 instead of playing our own game. Another defeat that's on him.

I think it was cowardly to, but i can also see that it was fairly impressive to do so well in the by far hardest group in this seasons CL.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

The 3rd is squarely on Maguire. CLEAR IT>

He definitely isn't a 80m defender, but again is it the tactics. It is awkward.

 

[U.N.C.L.E]

Does anyone have a stat on how many early goals (first 20mins) we’ve conceded this season? It seems to be the “United way” of late....

 

[Client6]

I am Ole in and today's result doesn't change that but my word today was a cock-up of monumental proportions by Ole and some players.

If you count De Gea, we had 8 defensive players in our starting 11. Why?! Why play Shaw at all?! Why play that formation?! The defense was all over the place. Why bring on Fosu Mensah and Williams?!

United bottled it.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

We’re shite at home

We certainly are.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Ive got no problem with 3-5-2 but there was no outlet in midfield. It should have been DVB or Pogba alongside Matic for me. Move it quicker and give them something to think about but we surrendered the 1st half to them quite easily with the way we set up.

if he played pogba agenda posters would just say he's too weak to drop pogba. pogba is potentially a major reason why we saw one of oles only poor performances against top sides a\way from home in nearly 2 years. cant start him

 

[Ranchero]

Ive got no problem with 3-5-2 but there was no outlet in midfield. It should have been DVB or Pogba alongside Matic for me. Move it quicker and give them something to think about but we surrendered the 1st half to them quite easily with the way we set up.

It is fake to say this was 3-5-2. It was five defenders and two defensive midfielders and three attacking players at the start. That is why we could not put our foot on the ball.

 

[Godfather]

Pogba? VDB? No, just ignore those and go straight to TFM? Ok. Selective to fit your agenda but fine, let’s talk TFM.

Legs at the back along with height should we get a set piece maybe?

Pogba should have started

 

[freddie the red]

Neeeeeearly grabbed a draw from the jaws of defeat with that almost OG at the end but it would have been completely undeserved.
Absolutely outplayed (not for the first time) by supposedly inferior players, was never a penalty and the 2nd goal was a handball by the captain.
Sitting stoney faced watching p**s poor performances has become par for the course for me.....not at all bothered about giving up all my telly subscriptions and tv licence this month, won't miss a bloody thing!

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

So all we need is (based on the comments) a new manager, a new midfield, two fullbacks, two center backs, a right sided winger, an actual striker, and a coaching staff. Oh, and a stadium upgrade. Simples.

 

[monosierra]

This is one of the most annoying loses in recent memory - we were very good in the opening rounds of the UCL and outplaying PSG and Leipzig (While stumbling in the League). Now that we seemed to have turned a corner domestically, our European form has gone out the window. To be fair to Leipzig and PSG - these are very good teams, with Leipzig going toe to toe with Bayern just recently. Still, all the good work we did in the first few matches just went to waste.

 

[GenZRed]

5 at the back in itself wasn't the mistake. Starting Matic AND McTominay in a midfield 3 was what cost us.

 

[Tapori]

Absolute rubbish, I don't want to hear a word about how close we were to going through. Leipzig have their own problems, they look very brittle when the pressure is on, so I'm giving us zero credit for almost climbing out of a pit we ourselves dug and bloody well jumped into.

From our point of view it's all about the shambolic way we approached that game in the first half. The defence... AWB positionally abject and clearly targeted for that reason early on. Lindelof, Maguire and De Gea shockingly weak and timid, giving the ball away in daft areas and not taking care of a ball rolling across the box. You don't need world class defenders/goalkeepers to be able to deal with that third goal, and the talent this group of players has is far too high to be serving up these disgusting Keystone Cops routines every single fecking week. Shaw and Telles, positionally poor and unable to progress the ball. Matic and Scott like turnstiles in the middle of the park and offering nothing going forwards. Bruno, Rashy and Mason all wasteful, though fed very much on scraps.

Ole cannot set us up properly in these various systems of his. The naivety of our narrowness (in a pissing back five!), of being quelled by their press time and again, of not reading the diagonal ball three or more fecking times, was embarrassing to watch. Ok so we had more of the game, we dug in etc. but we all knew this gimmick of starting games so poorly wasn't sustainable and we've got exactly what we deserve tonight. The amount of times players were stood on the ball gesticulating for lads to show for it, to move for it, that and the various defensive abominations tonight are indicative of a team with a chemistry issue; players don't know what their teammates are going to do and so cannot seem to rely on them to do the basics of modern team play.

A disgrace, and no more than we deserve.

When I watch Reese James or Fernandes or a Mata or a Fernandinho or Van Dyke - There reading of the play means they play far better and simpler.

The hard thing with professional football is your ability to do this with high pressure and high speed. We get by ok but ok isn't good enough. We need better readers in the back line and organization. We simply don't have it

 

[Berbasbullet]

I don’t get why he didn’t bring Mata on? Brilliant cameo at the weekend and needed someone to thread a good ball.

 

[monosierra]

This is one of the most annoying loses in recent memory - we were very good in the opening rounds of the UCL and easily demolishing teams (While stumbling in the League). Now that we seemed to have turned a corner domestically, our European form has gone out the window. To be fair to Leipzig and PSG - these are very good teams, with Leipzig going toe to toe with Bayern just recently. Still, all the good work we did in the first few matches just went to waste - and its such a morale killer to go back to playing Europa League football.

 

[Jonno]

Pogba should have started

Should he? I don’t think any manager in world football starts Pogba following his agents comments yesterday.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

We were lucky to come out of that first half just 2-0 down. It could have been 4 and should have been 3. The setup wasn't working as soon as it were were down 2, so why not make a formation change right there and there? Why wait till half time and waste close to 30 minutes? This team needed as much time as possible to get on the front foot and we wasted precious minutes in the first half. Those minutes are just as important as the 80-90 mins.

Good point. Mou wouldn't have any problem hauling a player off after 15 minutes and changing system but Ole just doesn't have it in him.

 

[Toni's Left Foot]

The sooner Ole, Carrick & McKenna go the better.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I don’t get why he didn’t bring Mata on? Brilliant cameo at the weekend and needed someone to thread a good ball.

Why would you do that when you've still got a right back you can bring on!?

 

[Tapori]

5 at the back in itself wasn't the mistake. Starting Matic AND McTominay in a midfield 3 was what cost us.

Wrong personnel. We actually missed Fred but you have to have better mobility and so would have preferred Tuanzebe in the 3 if you play Matic and McT but Shaw after his injury, even though he has played well in a back 3 was really lacking too.

 

[Neo_Mufc]

Cowardly from Rio & Paul. No criticism of the manager.

 

[Godfather]

Should he? I don’t think any manager in world football starts Pogba following his agents comments yesterday.

Worse things happened. At this club as well. We made Rooney captain after he said publically he wants to leave.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Should he? I don’t think any manager in world football starts Pogba following his agents comments yesterday.

Should have been nowhere near the team.

 

[Get In Scholesy]

Ironically, this might be the most deserved result this season.

 

[Abhinav]

You can’t go around giving up early goals every match and expect to turn it around always. Our defending was atrocious, the positioning of defenders, closing down of players despite having 7 defensive players on the pitch is unforgivable.

 

[NiceGuyEddie]

Quite a few of our recent games I've noticed one of the defining differences between the teams has been the quality of the goalkeeping. Seems that a lot of teams have keepers who turn into superman against us. De Gea still has the odd world-class save in him, but he's a far cry from the keeper he was 5 years ago when he was the only thing preventing us from losing. I know the defence doesn't help, but even so, I expect more from a keeper at this level. His ball distribution is atrocious as well.

 

[Stig]

This is not a rhetorical question; what can Ole have been hoping for with those substitutions of Brandon Williams and TFM ? 30 minutes to go. 2 nil down and he brings on defenders. I just don't get it.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Why would you do that when you've still got a right back you can bring on!?

I was fine with TFM as I thought maybe a fullback who could attack might help, but why on earth change the CB?

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Leipzig cost about 20 quid to put together, they were without their 2 best players and we recently thumped them 5-0 so what does Ole do? Plays a back 7 instead of playing our own game. Another defeat that's on him.

Exactly this. We should always be setting out to win, never to draw. Today Ole had the blueprint for how to beat them handily and instead he did whatever the hell we saw today.

 

[Schmeichel=God]

As a team we’re like one of those fun novelty bags of jellybeans where a 1/3 of them are sick flavoured for some baffling insensible reason.

We are definitely vomit inducing

 

[HarryRedCrumbs]

...eeeh, worse things happen at sea! Onwards and upwards lads, we can concentrate on winning the PL now. Let’s have some positive vibes round here. Loosing for a while won’t change anything in the grand scheme of life...

 

[Forevergiggs1]

The big part of the problem was Ole

Fixed

 

[Jonno]

Worse things happened. At this club as well. We made Rooney captain after he said publically he wants to leave.

Specifically at this club, we’ve actually dropped players when they’ve shown issues like this.

 

[tjb]

Calm down, walk away, then come back in a few hours and rethink it. We are still 6th in the league and were not expected to progress from this group when it was first announced.

I actually agree with him. Not because I don't believe in Ole, but he's been making a lot of rookie mistakes lately...and i honestly feel we have a squad to push on despite how bad we looked tonight.

a. Lack of preparation for the season relative to other teams. At a top club, regardless of covid related disadvantages, United should never have looked that unprepared to start the season. Not just physically, but tactically too. He might not take each game as seriously as a winning manager should, which might explain that start.

b. The fact we haven't had a system since the start of the season. Its obvious that we've scrapped what we were doing to end last season, possibly due to Matic and Pogba declining physically or the tactic being exposed. We've had 10 games to implement something consistent and as of yet we still don't have a set tactic. It's the fear with a rookie manager, their philosophies are based on theories rather than successes. With a Pochettino, tactically you know what you'll get with him.

c. PSG last week was proof, but he's really struggled in his in-game decisions this season.

d. The champion's league.

I'm not angry with him and I honestly feel he has done a good job, but I won't be annoyed if he left and we brought in a more experienced manager and coaching staff. I feel we needed him to rebuild and he has almost completely done that. We are in a good spot in the league. Why wait for us to fall off with him? We can't afford to be wasting seasons.

 

[Plant0x84]

Forgive me but we have a better goal diff than PSG, what am I missing here?

 

[RedMilo]

It is fake to say this was 3-5-2. It was five defenders and two defensive midfielders and three attacking players at the start. That is why we could not put our foot on the ball.

Correct. You had a block of 7 defensive players, most of whom cant defend and certainly cant keep possession of the ball, and 3 individual attacking players who can turn up as individuals on occasions but lack chemistry. It was a recipe for losing and OGS should have known this. Poor.