If you're Ole in, how much time will you give him?

[red woppit]

I would keep Ole, at least to the end of the season, (bringing another manager in would still not change the fact the club is being run by money grabbing leeches, and they will still want their cut) as he has brought well, and turned the club round. My problem is that we look so poor defensively in pretty much every match we play, and a purely defensive coach would surely help with positioning, etc.

 

[Tarrou]

I can assure you, United haven’t in my lifetime sacked a manager when they’ve had a decent chance of hitting their targets for the season

Why on earth would he be sacked after 14 PL games and being approx 9 points off the top, as you mention they lose 3 on the bounce? Not a chance that will happen.

well each situation is different

currently Poch is available on a free, which makes it much easier for Woodward to pull the trigger

 

[PoTMS]

What will happen at the end of the season? Will there be any managerial options available like there are now? Will we suddenly win a trophy? No. Even achieving top 4 shouldn't save him.

 

[SuperiorXI]

On the fence personally. He hasn't yet shown he can win silverware. Tonight his decision to include Pogba for me was a big no no, it was a weak thing to do.

 

[Fooza]

Lifetime. Many things are rotten but Ole ain't one of them.
What we conceded against bashaksehir and tonight... that has got nothing to do with tactics.

Why we conceded tonight:

Playing 5 in the back with defensive midfielders - we invited them to attack and it led them to score 2 goals, did he change it straight after? No.. too late to change - and that couldn't save him this time

Our defence has been shambolic this season - is Ole coaching our defence? What is our style of play? So many players - not the just defenders but attackers are very inconsistent

Ole has spent how much on our defence? How much on Maguire?

and you want to give him a lifetime contract - god help us all

God...help...us

Romanticism in it's finest - simply because his a united legend as a player - but he really is a clueless manager.

 

[AngliaRed]

Saturday tea time.

 

[Skills]

I would keep Ole, at least to the end of the season, (bringing another manager in would still not change the fact the club is being run by money grabbing leeches, and they will still want their cut) as he has brought well, and turned the club round. My problem is that we look so poor defensively in pretty much every match we play, and a purely defensive coach would surely help with positioning, etc.

Maguire and AWB cost more than the entire first XI of the team he just got knocked out by.

 

[Random Task]

What will happen at the end of the season? Will there be any managerial options available like there are now? Will we suddenly win a trophy? No. Even achieving top 4 shouldn't save him.

But it will save him, guaranteed.

 

[Enfant terrible]

Isn’t that nepotism in a way?

In charge of the biggest club in the world despite having a poor coaching career for the role originally and keeps in the job despite underwhelming again and again.

All this against clubs with not even a quarter of the budget we have after spending hundreds of millions on players at the fans expense.

We had Mourinho. He s not good enough? Van Gaal? Both had the same resources. Nothing is gonna change. Ole made more positive impact than both of them. The way we lose has nothing to do with tactics. In fact after every half time talk we look better and that has something to do with tactics. But than we concede a xy goal from our individual mistakes. Ole ain't the problem.

 

[Jonno]

well each situation is different

currently Poch is available on a free, which makes it much easier for Woodward to pull the trigger

Poch was also available last season, when we were about 15th. We didn’t sack him. Since then, we’ve dramatically got better. We’re now consistently too 3-4 in the league. Which is about where we should be.

100% doesn’t get sacked unless we decline in the league.

 

[croadyman]

I see a few posts saying end of season, so say we want Poch then who’s to say he will be available end of season?

Yeah I would get him now if he's available and I am aware that we will probably be in the same situation with him again in a few years time but that is no reason for us to keep Ole just for the sake of it

 

[Roboc7]

Biggest danger with Ole is you plod along for another season or two, top four or not he has to go at end of the season. Longer he stays more damage he will do, get rid at end of season and might be able to look back at this time as being beneficial.

He’s clearly out of his depth and isn’t taking us forward or building anything but at the moment he’s scraping by enough to keep the job.

 

[U99ted]

Ole and his team make it really hard to be positive and get behind them with these drunken performances. We're still doing well in the league, and are 3 games from the League Cup, so I'd see where we are in a month.

 

[TrustInOle]

End of contract. He has put down some solid foundations at the club and will leave United in a better place than he arrived when he does go.

 

[Henrik Larsson]

Until some manager becomes available who's clearly special, somewhat proven in terms of trophies, and seems like a good fit for United and the pressure surrounding the biggest club in the best league in the world. Sadly this might take a while because I have no idea who that guy would be at the moment. We could simply sack Ole and have another gamble at someone like Pochettino, or some other guy who's been doing well for the last 12 months (whatever happened to Jardim?). But if that doesn't work, we'd still not really be that better off, because as much as Solskjaer sucks right now, he's also done some decent things that someone completely out of his depth wouldn't have done I think.

In the meanwhile with Van Gaal getting his full pay-out, Mourinho being sacked on a monster salary and then Ole getting a pay-out, we might actually pay more on sacking fees of managers than we have invested in right wingers over the last five years or so. Which pretty much would sum up the state of our club since SAF retired.

 

[monosierra]

The fact that Mourinho has made Spurs title contenders (so far) suggests that it is still an institutional rather than merely a personnel problem. There are big companies that are poorly run which are still able to recruit top graduates - but fail to develop them into corporate leaders. These companies can even still be very profitable due to their market position. But the quality of their product is inconsistent and often poor. We are such a company right now. Occasionally, excellent employees and managers can produce a good product/service but it gets lost in the larger disarray and malaise. Is OGS the best possible and available candidate? I don't think so, but availability is crucial. He is not in the upper echelons of top managers - but there aren't many who are available either!

I don't think the owners being financiers is an impediment in itself - Pool has done rather well under American investors. But they have taken care to be a footballing provider first, as seen in their recruitment and support (as far as we can see) of Klopp.

 

[Bilbo]

I think people need to let their emotions settle because nobody thinks straight on a night when we go out of the CL.

Ultimately the manager always carries the can, but as usual with this team there is so much good and so much bad to reflect on. I think we've been in parts very unlucky and also very naive. Sometimes brilliant and sometimes piss poor. Individual errors have cost us badly.

The reality is that we just aren't ready to compete at this level yet, and how much of that is down to the manager is a tough thing to judge, but as above, the manager carries the can. Thats the job.

I'm not writing Ole off yet. Far from it. He's done too many good things for it to be fair to call him a busted flush. However, going out tonight puts pressure on him. We must now have a very good league season. A good CL run was his safety net and thats gone.

 

[Abhinav]

If we are more than 5 points from the top by the end of the year he should go. Top 4 alone should not save his job this season as we need to show progression in both results and performances.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Should have been sacked a year ago. Bruno has saved this mans livelihood.

 

[Client6]

When top 4 is mathematically impossible, needs to be changed right there and then.

If he gets top 4 but with no meaningful challenge for any trophy, needs to be changed in the summer.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Really depends on how we do in the league I guess. We got pretty screwed with being in the toughest group for the UCL, but to not get a result out of those final two games is unacceptable.

I think we are who we are at this point, a side with obvious weak points that can turn up and blow teams away with our quality, but we don't really have a foundation to build off of game to game. Our backline is always prone to errors and our CB's seriously struggle with pace, and we lack a stalwart every game midfielder that can provide a platform for our more creative players to build off of that isn't limited in another area. Matic gets exposed on his own, McT does as well positionally and passing wise, and Fred is far too erratic to play on his own. Yet Ole has failed to address this and showed no interest in doing so over the summer.

We also seriously struggle to show a cohesive style in our build up, as players seem to just bunch up and figure it out on their own. We press like crap as well, which might be the biggest indictment of Ole as it seems he wants us to press from the front but doesn't seem to know how to implement the idea beyond just telling them to do that most of the time. His biggest success has been in developing our young forwards, and actually creating an impressive counter attacking unit. This is the only phase in which we show true ideas about how we should counter teams, but while nice countering isn't as useful when you're looking to dominate possession.

Basically I'm saying that I don't think we are going to collapse, nor will we see some great improvement over this season. Ole has taken us as far as he can most likely, but I don't know if that means he should be sacked before the season plays out currently.

 

[NinjaZombie]

Lifetime. Many things are rotten but Ole ain't one of them.
What we conceded against bashaksehir and tonight... that has got nothing to do with tactics.

Has to do with the players he's put in the team and bought though. I mean, there are people here who gives him credit for every time players like Bruno Fernandes and Mason Greenwood gets a goal out of nowhere through their individual brilliance, so why can't we give him criticism for every time the players he's selected and bought makes mistakes?

 

[Tom Cato]

I'm SUPER bummed that we didn't go through. So bummed I had to take a 30 minute walk to sort my brooding out.

While every lost match is a new call to sack the manager, this isn't really the one.

The manager gets the sack if we aren't improving on last sesons overall performance. We're still ahead of the curve on that one, despite how much that pisses people off.

 

[Okey]

Silly, needless, naive decision making - a lack of balls when it mattered and a lack of basic joined up thinking the rest of the time

It's not a lack of balls though, it's acumen...that which differentiates the average from the good and then the great. Greenwood will never make Messi dribbles, great striker though he might become. You can't give what you don't have. Ole has proved to us time and time again that he doesn't have top manager in him, yet we seem content to either ignore it, tolerate it, or perversely hope he somehow becomes something he's not. We will have moments, we've already had many memorable ones, might even win a trophy (who remembers Roberto Di Matteo?), but we won't become a top team under Ole. Simply because he's not a top manager.

 

[kundalini]

I would review the situation at the end of the season.

This has been such an unusual situation, the late start, lack of crowds, social distancing etc, that I would give Solskjaer the benefit of the doubt if it is a close decision.

Most probably give him until the end of his current contract. He would need to put in a title challenge in order to get a new deal.

Managers have to make a lot of decisions. They are likely to make plenty of mistakes. I'm not convinced that Solskjaer has spent his transfer budget wisely. His support for De Gea, regardless of how many goals we are conceding is another issue I have. I'd rather the team was selected on merit; if a player is performing well they start, if they are out of form they get dropped.

 

[Andi Latte]

I'm pretty Ole out and have been for the best part of a year, yet there's one thing he could to to make me inclined to give him till the end of the season: switch out his coaching staff. Carrick and McKenna are amateurs, Phelan is a dinosaur and already was under SAF. I only fear that won't happen, as it would require balls, which I have seen no indication of so far in regards to Ole.

Honestly, every manager post SAF gets loaded with these Fergie-guys with no pedigree whatsoever except they "get the club" or some shite like that. Moyes and Van Gaal got Giggsy, Jose got Carrick and now Ole, one of the aforementioned Fergie-guys himself, gets three others that are as clueless as him. How is that supposed to work?

Get some top guys from far outside the club to bring in fresh impulses, instead of trying to bring back the Fergie times, they're gone and won't come back, regardless of how many ex-players you try to squeeze into coaching roles.

That would make me give him more time, as it would show that he really tries something different, not only talk about it.

 

[Red00012]

It's important to note that Ed said they are backing Ole's "project", meaning he may be here for a few years.

However, Champions League is a priority and were he not to get it, that would indeed be a problem.

As tragic as this is, there is no manager we could reliably go to right now.

Might be best to wait out the season and query Rose, Nagelsmann or Hassenhutl in the meantime.

Ed says he’s backing Ole’s project by signing players . The problem is he’s not signing players that Ole had at the top of his list ( Sancho , Grealish )

 

[diarm]

It's not a lack of balls though, it's acumen...that which differentiates the average from the good and then the great. Greenwood will never make Messi dribbles, great striker though he might become. You can't give what you don't have. Ole has proved to us time and time again that he doesn't have top manager in him, yet we seem content to either ignore it, tolerate it, or perversely hope he somehow becomes something he's not. We will have moments, we've already had many memorable ones, might even win a trophy (who remembers Roberto Di Matteo?), but we won't become a top team under Ole. Simply because he's not a top manager.

It can be both.

His inability to make changes early and decisively is a lack of balls. He's not too thick to realise things aren't working - he's just not decisive and confident enough to own a mistake and rectify it.

 

[Red00012]

I reckon Ed is Ole in until the end of the season at the very earliest and that’s all that matters really .

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

Barring a disastrous run of defeats, he isn't going anywhere, so let's give him the season and see what he can achieve. Obviously, if we don't make top four, it will likely be the end.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

I dont see us winning silverware with Ole. Maybe the occassional top 4 and average performance in Europe. If you want better results, he should be fired asap.

The earlier we hire the right manager, the earlier he can mold the team into his preference and deliver the desired results. Spurs got Mourinho in mid -season and he has already transformed them into his own team.

 

[Borys]

He doesn't deserve to be sacked overnight imo. He did a lot of good things, moved us forward as much as he could.

Two key players who helped us to keep the head above water in previous seasons are two massive disappointments (Martial and De Gea). Pogba wants to leave. I don't think you can blame that on Ole.

It feels like we're the closest to a quality team since many many years. Some credit to Ole.

 

[UtdAgain08]

He deserves the chance to get us back in the Champions League, if he doesn't achieve that then he should go.

 

[Mainoldo]

Should have been sacked yesterday.

 

[Dobba]

I dont see us winning silverware with Ole. Maybe the occassional top 4 and average performance in Europe. If you want better results, he should be fired asap.

The earlier we hire the right manager, the earlier he can mold the team into his preference and deliver the desired results. Spurs got Mourinho in mid -season and he has already transformed them into his own team.

And the Cafe wants to bring in the guy he replaced.

 

[ghaliboy]

Eons. Don't really care to be honest, I just want to see him win something with the club. I don't really care how good or bad the coaching is because the whole setup from the top down is wank. Way to many overpaid players, way to many serial bottlers who infest the dressing room and can't be drop punted out of the club instantly when the become a problem. We can't and won't grow an organic winning team until we absolutely gut the place. Ole maybe as well but we're still destined to continue to shove shitty overpaid players in that will never hit the mark of what they are paid, place expectations on them that are way to high and get overly disappointed and fume when they inevitably take the piss, hide and disappear after important games which we lose.

If its Ole, if it is somebody else, this won't be fixed until the framework of the footballing aspect of the club is fixed. It is as simple as that, we can continue to wait for a magic fix but that aint coming. It wasn't coming 6 years ago and it ain't coming anytime soon.

 

[Leftback99]

At least until the end of the season but my guess is he will be going then unless he wins something.

 

[soapythecat]

Good to see Ole’s acceptance of mediocrity has worked its way down into his fan club too.

 

[Green_Red]

I'm Ole in or at least I don't want him sacked immediately.

I would give him until the end of the season and see where we're at.

While some things have been positive, he has shown weakness in big moments and we're very rough around the edges with the moment of excellence.

Frothing at the mouth Ole outters need not post.

I'm in the same boat as you. Let's see how the rest of the season goes. Happy to reassess at end of the season if this one becomes a complete car crash.

 

[GenZRed]

We have to get top 4.

Woody could pencil in a review meeting in mid January. If things have gone pear shaped by then try and make a change: but I don’t want Poch!

If Ole can get past that review, then end of season target is top 4 and reach final of Europa (give up on domestic cups). If he can’t do that, then change in the summer.

I suppose you and I are the only ones who don't want Poch?

Feels that way.