The point is really very simple: you don't get to chose how other people should feel.
I lived in Japan for several years and speak the language reasonably well. Surely they called you "gaijin" or "gaikokujin" mate?
I would attempt to describe the others first, focusing on descriptors like attire, hair color, positive height (tall, not short). Then gender. Wouldn’t state race unless absolutely necessary, then only to the boss & no one else. Wouldn’t let someone overhear.
As with everything in life there's always going to be a limit....
I agree and personally I didn't intend to question his "right to be upset". For me it was more about the consequences for the referee and how to deal with similar situations in the future.
Complete sarcasm on my part. Completely aware you agree with me.
Everyone is right to how they feel. IF you feel he felt aggrieved fair enough.
Context. Player explains, a white player is never called "That white one." That's the point; You had club, coat, number, NAME you could have used and you reach for at bestWhat's wrong with calling a black person , black? Just tell me? They have fought for it long enough and now YOU say they cant be called it? I find this a very odd discussion. Basically if there was one black person in a crowd of 6, you cant refer to their skin colour?You seem to want to make it more of an issue than it is, like a game of Guess Who.
Do you not think you could engage your brain for two seconds and think that maybe, given the fact that BOTH teams walked off the pitch in clear upset and anger at what happened that maybe your insistence that what happened is in no way, shape, or form, racist might be misplaced?
Thank you
feck, I completely forgot the simplest descriptor.
And what is the likelihood that they might remember any of those names if they're not already familiar with them? I'd say it's pretty low.
I will never be so arrogant to presume to tell a black person they shouldn't be offended when someone categorizes primarily by the colour of their skin. I haven't lived that life, I cannot possibly understand how they would feel.
Why is "black" such an abrasive point? Again, I don't get this, should they be ashamed?
Sorry, different decorum from a social setting v. a professional setting. Do you not see a need for such?
"Almost any" football fan, are you kidding me? I myself didn't know Pierre Webo. I guarantee you most wouldn't.
I never claimed to speak for all black people, never would, and I have no idea why you would think otherwise from what I wrote. It says more about you that you interpreted it that way.
That’s why such language can’t be used in professional settings.
It seems that you are trying to advocate for something I haven't accused him about. In this thread there isn't a moment I have judged the situation or expected anything.
True.
You're fecking kidding, right?
I mean, instantly recognizing Van der Meyde these days would impress me.Nope, but I dont see how if I was talking about a team I was in control of I couldn't call him by his name. You are still missing the point, you seem to think being called black is an insult, its very odd.
Yes, I am making somewhat of a generalization regarding decorum in professional settings, but there are vastly more multicultural, international professional settings that demand such professionalism than don’t. You get down to specific cultures, that’s not what we are talking about. This is an international, multicultural professional setting, there is protocol for management to adhere to.
I agree with you. It‘s totally irrelevant whether you feel offended by it or not. So why do you bring it up?
I said any Dutch or German player, aka white. There’s a reason you didn't know about Webo.
Oh behave man. If you don’t know the player (which tbf in a UCL match is unforgivable) skin colour is a fair adjective if he meant it as a descriptor. Come on ffs there are better hills to die in than this.
Apologies, JP. I had the impression that you were indicating there were possible means for the fourth official to know or reference Webo's name.
Sure he should be more careful but also please dont use the word "wider world". Its mainly an issue in the anglosphere and some western european countries. So unless the UK can set the standard for what is the standard in the wider world but poland or japan cannot we just cannot agree on how this training should be like and its dangerously close to enforcing one culture or one standard on others.
I assume you are German. Bein played for Frankfurt right?Are they all naked? Aren‘t there other ways to segregate them?
Use their names, ffs. Use eye contact, point with the hand if you need, too. So, many possibilities
And if roles are reversed and you are asking a colleague which one is Jamie? They say (entirely sensibly I suggest) that Jamie is the lady or the white guy? You sack them or suspend them for a very long time or do you say thanks and go and speak to Jamie?
Ironically the most racist person in this thread.
He said you were outside the room. How do you know where the people are sitting/standing before you enter?
I was there with a pretty mixed group of people of my company and we had to work with our japanese colleagues. None of us speaks japanese so everyone spoke english. And I was either called by my name or literally by "big white guy". I'm 1,98m and 110kg, so "big guy" would have easily been enough to identify me, but as i said I didn't take any offense in "big white guy".
No-one has said its anything to be ashamed of. Being fat isn't something to be ashamed of, but you wouldn't want to be called 'fat' as a primary description. Losing a leg isn't anything to be ashamed of, but being identified as the 'one legged guy' probably wouldn't be nice. Being old isn't something to be ashamed of but it wouldn't be nice to be referred to as 'the old one'. Being short isn't something to be ashamed of, but being referred to as 'the short one' probably wouldn't be ideal. Having a burnt face isn't something to be ashamed of but being referred to as 'the one with the burnt face' would be abhorrent.
Take a case, get a pay out, and give me ALL the money.
