Yeah there are definitely double standards when it comes to Ole and Woody is panicking about the situation privately but in public will back him to the hilt because doesn't want to admit the romantic appointment failed
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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After our second goal we had about 10-13 mins. In that time we were barely able to stitch two passes together! That was some unbelievable sight to eyes. Everybody was all over the place. No one trying to calm others down, get control of the ball. Was like watching headless chickens instead of hugely paid professional footballers. Entire coaching staff had brain freeze as well. A proper 10 mins football would have, most probably would have, seen us through as RBL was clearly shattered.
Unbelievable stuff.
Unbelievable stuff.
Let’s put it this way: For you Ole inners, would you hire the current Molde manager if Ole got sacked? Because he has the same amount of managerial qualifications as Ole.
Jesus. Only thing thing worse than ole and the team after yesterday is our fans.. omg we are a shit club!
I have felt the same since he got appointed so at least I can't be accused of being kneejerk about him
More I see it Ole is a tactical appointment by the board to buy them enough time for alleged "rebuild process". He is a club legend, an insider so unlike moyes where every other fan turned against him, Ole can split the opinion. Imagine instead of Ole there is an outsider manager with exact same managerial credentials. He would have been roasted alive by the fanbase by now.
The inconsistency is just too much. False dawns, this whole fightback bullshit is tiring. I had class and i was losing my fecking mind glancing back. I can't believe we are in the Europa again.
There was no plan when we hired Ole. He was supposed to be just a caretaker manager till end of the season. The briefed plan at this point was Ole till the end of the season then a new full manager and a DoF.
What happened was the honeymoon period. It got Woodward fully convinced he discovered a hidden gem in Ole, and the club has absolutely no other issues in terms of structure, it was just Mourinho. So we changed plans and decided feck new manager and feck DoF, Ole's at the wheel.
That's probably why Woodward is supporting him even more than LVG and Mourinho. He knows he will look like an absolute fool once he sacks him.
Yeah clearly an appointment to shield himself from the fanbase which proves what a coward he is
Don't know much about Sir Matt but it's absolutely nonsense about Sir Alex, man management might have been his biggest strength but his coaching was also top notch for better part of his career with United it's myth that has been repeated so many times that many have started believing it as a fact .
It's more the case of those coaches and trainers who basked in Sir Alex's geniuses reflected glory rather than other way round.
The last 2 CL games just showed how real top managers act.
Tuchel bravely switched tactics with enough time left and got rewarded.
Nagelsmann perfectly analyzed what had gone wrong in the first game and made sure that this won’t happen again.
In both games Ole was not able to react in a proper way.
Going out in this group is something that could have happened to most teams, and overall it has to be said we were not worse than PSG and Leipzig, all 3 teams have been on par.
However, what cost us was naivety and tactical errors, and that is the manager’s fault.
Chasing top 4 and the EL again, not enough progression.
Tuchel bravely switched tactics with enough time left and got rewarded.
Nagelsmann perfectly analyzed what had gone wrong in the first game and made sure that this won’t happen again.
In both games Ole was not able to react in a proper way.
Going out in this group is something that could have happened to most teams, and overall it has to be said we were not worse than PSG and Leipzig, all 3 teams have been on par.
However, what cost us was naivety and tactical errors, and that is the manager’s fault.
Chasing top 4 and the EL again, not enough progression.
And how much time are they willing to give him?
It was a "safety first" line up. Considering Fred, Martial and Cavani were unavailable we could not line up as ususal unless we wanted to see James, Ighalo or Mata start out wide. Not starting VdB was a big mistake. We have played 3 at the back before and it has worked just fine. The problem last night was that our wing backs kept tucking in for some fecking reason so they got miles of space out wide despite us
First goal they score is not really anyones "fault", it was a 10/10 pass. Maybe Matic could have put some more pressure on him. For our second goal everyone fecks up besides AWB despite the cross being delivered from his side. We got 6 defenders in a 8 yard blob while the only one who actually tries to defend his zone is AWB
Third goal is 90% on De Gea and 10% on Maguire. Its a slow cross that gently bounces into the 6 yard box. I played a keeper when i was a kid and one of the first things we learned was that the keeper have to communicate with his defenders and "command his area", especially when they are running home. Maguire could have blasted it over the line for a corner, but thats shambolic keeping from De Gea.
Ole bottled it, but so did many of our players.
That half time substitution isn't being talked about enough. So two goals down, he removed Telles, his full back with the best potential in attack, knowing fully well that Shaw, a full back with a worse potential most likely wouldn't last the game anyway. Then a few minutes later he removed Shaw and brought on Williams. So he basically used two subs to remove his two main left backs, just to get his third choice left back on the pitch.
He has always come across as a dumb one to me, but I hope he made that sub because Telles had a problem. Otherwise I fear for this football club.
He has always come across as a dumb one to me, but I hope he made that sub because Telles had a problem. Otherwise I fear for this football club.
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Mate , getting 1 trophy in long-term 10 years or 1 trophy in short-term 2 years , is the same 1 trophy in the end. That BS long term vision is only small club excuse to not sack their manager and saving money, reality of what will happen if you don't aim for short-term success is , some of your players will pass their peak years, while the youngster are not ready to deliver performance week in week out yet which results in trophyless. Which is why i don't see Barca, Madrid, Juve, Bayern talking about long-term success. They wanted a short-term success every season and sacked every manager who failed their short-term target .That's why they are big clubs while you guys are now unfortunately, a small club. And by the way , i don't think Ole has a good long-term vision, he wasted 150M combined ( James, Awb, Maguire ) for players who wouldn't look out of places at Stoke City.
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I understand people who have concerns about Poch not being the right guy,however don't trust our board to look elsewhere because they are utterly clueless
They are equally to blame maybe 60% De gea's fault. The keeper is supposed to make the call because he's the one who sees the box but defenders are also coached to boot it when they aren't sure what's behind them or the call hasn't been made by the keeper or it comes late. What you absolutely do not do is let it roll in the absence of a call. That's just braindead stuff from Maguire. You absolutely do not let that ball roll across your goal unless the keeper makes a shout and it's well timed. If any of these are in doubt you ignore the shout and play it out of the danger area anyway
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Inconsistent, no style of play, bottling very good situations. Its time for Ole to go.
He has done a good job as a transitional manager but he's hit his limit tactically.
He has done a good job as a transitional manager but he's hit his limit tactically.
You have to admit that he bottled this CL campaign.
First in Istanbul where he put out a truly weird team, changed the defence and then made even worse substitutions.
Then at home to PSG, don't understand why did he not sub-off Fred and why was he so late to respond to PSG's tactical changes.
And yesterday was by far the worst game Ole's coached for us IMO. Started in a completely wrong shape and should have changed it 10 minutes into the match after we all knew that Leipzig are going to score again. Put on Van de Beek on the wing where he has next to no impact. Put on Pogba (who played well), the guy is fecking ashamed to play for us. Subbed off Telles and Shaw in quick succession, so that we wasted 2 subs for left backs. Put on TFM and Tuanzebe when we needed attackers, but we couldn't even being the ball out from the back for 10 straight minutes.
So all in all, an abysmal CL campaign from Leipzig at home onwards. We bottled it because of the manager and no one can say otherwise.
First in Istanbul where he put out a truly weird team, changed the defence and then made even worse substitutions.
Then at home to PSG, don't understand why did he not sub-off Fred and why was he so late to respond to PSG's tactical changes.
And yesterday was by far the worst game Ole's coached for us IMO. Started in a completely wrong shape and should have changed it 10 minutes into the match after we all knew that Leipzig are going to score again. Put on Van de Beek on the wing where he has next to no impact. Put on Pogba (who played well), the guy is fecking ashamed to play for us. Subbed off Telles and Shaw in quick succession, so that we wasted 2 subs for left backs. Put on TFM and Tuanzebe when we needed attackers, but we couldn't even being the ball out from the back for 10 straight minutes.
So all in all, an abysmal CL campaign from Leipzig at home onwards. We bottled it because of the manager and no one can say otherwise.
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Besides the debt, the Glazers nonchalant attitude towards Woodward's ineptitude and egotistical decisions is the worst part of their ownership.
The most frustrating thing is that after last season we were in a good place with regard to squad quality and just two additions to the first team plus Cavani on a free would have improved us immensely. We did make the two additions but it turns out those arent what the manager wanted or the team needed so we just stagnated.
On Ole he made the wrong decision to hire him permanently, it happens even to the best of them but instead of quickly moving on and rectifying it he will dig in until it costs us another two seasons. If we don't make top four this season will be a failure and that failure will reflect in who we can attract in the summer particularly with a COVID hit budget so next season will be a slog again.
Moyes is a real manager. He had pedigree from his Everton days where he established them as a top 8 club, no mean feat in the PL. Now, after failing with Sunderland, he’s doing a really brilliant job with West Ham and is slowly establishing them as a top 10 club as well with a decent brand of football - good wing play. He is a good manager.
Ole is definitely not a good manager. Otherwise, someone would have picked him up before us, and he wouldn’t be out of a job once we sack him (Molde’s current manager, funnily enough, is doing better than him). However, some fans are blindly supporting him because he played for us, and as James says, are giving him unlimited time to drive the club into the ground. If the current Molde manager, or even Moyes managed us, people would be giving him so much abuse and flak that it would be untrue.
By backing him while ignoring or slating any negative words about Ole, you Ole inners are going to play a part in ruining our club.
Agreed, Ole is very much at fault for getting the team knocked out of the group. I don't even think PSG or Red Bull are particularly strong opponents. Oh, I think his choice of the team and tactics against Chelsea in the Semi-Finals was on a par with last night and keeping Fred on against PSG.
I’ve flip flopped for the final time. I’ve long suspected Ole isn’t the man to really take us forward but I’ve liked what he’s done with the team and when everything clicks we’ve looked great so I’ve kept changing my mind and thinking that he can learn what goes wrong and what is right.
Last night, absolute disaster. Not the result especially but the absolute shit show of tactics and performances. Just a dreadful showing from all involved.
He’s had long enough to show what he’s capable of and I truly believe now that we’ve seen all he’s capable of.
I hate all the chopping and changing of managers but most other teams do it when it isn’t working, maybe it is the right way. After spending the amount of money we have we can’t afford to be doing anything other than challenging.
Even though there were dreadful player Performances all over the pitch last night I still believe we have a good squad that with one or maybe two more quality signings should be challenging.
Last night, absolute disaster. Not the result especially but the absolute shit show of tactics and performances. Just a dreadful showing from all involved.
He’s had long enough to show what he’s capable of and I truly believe now that we’ve seen all he’s capable of.
I hate all the chopping and changing of managers but most other teams do it when it isn’t working, maybe it is the right way. After spending the amount of money we have we can’t afford to be doing anything other than challenging.
Even though there were dreadful player Performances all over the pitch last night I still believe we have a good squad that with one or maybe two more quality signings should be challenging.
I have been saying Ole out for some time and that feeling has been reinforced by his mistakes last few games.
We never showed any patience with Moyes & LVG (not advocating for these 2) but then why the double standard with Ole?
I think many believed that managers should have been given more time after these fiascos, and that along with the romantic feeling towards Ole as a player is the answer to this.
The question that we need to ask ourselves is whether the team made any progress these last 2 yrs and if so, is that enough for us? Do you see any way forward with this snail paced developments??? With the amount spend, atleast defense should have been sorted out.
I think Utd will win next 2 games and then all is back to normal with a large number of fans. Shouldn't we demand more? I'm not advocating for Poch/ Allegri but they are way better than Ole.
We never showed any patience with Moyes & LVG (not advocating for these 2) but then why the double standard with Ole?
I think many believed that managers should have been given more time after these fiascos, and that along with the romantic feeling towards Ole as a player is the answer to this.
The question that we need to ask ourselves is whether the team made any progress these last 2 yrs and if so, is that enough for us? Do you see any way forward with this snail paced developments??? With the amount spend, atleast defense should have been sorted out.
I think Utd will win next 2 games and then all is back to normal with a large number of fans. Shouldn't we demand more? I'm not advocating for Poch/ Allegri but they are way better than Ole.
Pretend ole wasn't in charge for this season, would most of our supporters accept what they have seen from another manager?
In our club you get the sack only after you fail to deliver top 4. I still don't know how Mourinho got fired that early (by our standard). Under him we had couple of losses in a row and still he is here. And look at our schedule, after City we have SU and Leeds. We will beat them.
That is Ole's story in these 2 years. Win some, lose some....always just enough to not get a sack (by Ed's standards). In reality it is mid table club standard
Very confident a proper manager would have us defending ten times better
90 % of fans was for Jose's sacking. We were 6th and played defensive football just like we do now. But we were through in CL.
Amazin what legendary status in one club can do
Ole out now. Yesterday was the final straw for me.... loveable chap, done a decent job at making me interested in the club again, signed better players but ultimately, we seem to be a yo yo club performance wise and with the squad we have, we should be much more competitve and dominant performance wise.
Ole is being bailed out by a few players creating some special moments rather than the teamwork. Team play and patterns in this team are not what you'd expect from Premiership teams with so much talent. Yesterday we had 7 outfield players who you would class as defensively-minded and we were still lucky to go in at halftime 2-0 down.
Absolutely not. It’s got to the stage where it is now just blind faith. Probably been that time for a while but the team keep putting these sporadic performances in that convince you briefly that we’ve turned a corner. No more, I’ve seen enough now. He has to take responsibility for last night. Everything from top to bottom was wrong with last night. Formation, tactics, substitution
And attacking better. Everything better. There wasn’t anything about last night that couldn’t be improved on. We did nothing well.
We were asking for attack minded play after LVG and Jose. Ole came in, did so initially and got the job.
Now all we do is sit deep and try to hit on the counter. While we are good in later, we are no where mid table level in the former part and that is 140M down the drain.
Now all we do is sit deep and try to hit on the counter. While we are good in later, we are no where mid table level in the former part and that is 140M down the drain.
Agree with all of that. We’ve shown that as a team, with the players we have, that we can play good football. It is up to the manager to make sure we play good football regularly enough to become successful. The last few weeks have been a horror show for Ole and I think the time has come now to make a decision.
Why the hell is he here? He was hired for a CL win and should be fired for this CL loss simple.
Never should have got the job permanently.
Never should have got the job permanently.
Ole season hasn't completely collapsed because of the incredible luck he has. If it has, the decision will be easier to sack for the simpleminded members of our board. This season, There are multiple victories we had that was undeserved.
A lot of fans on here just look at the results and make a simplistic conclusion. I see our performance and I know that there is something wrong with how our team plays football. This insight has revealed to me for awhile that Ole needs to get sacked because our football has not seen the improvement of a top team. We have the luck of a God on our side, that is my only explanation to why we are near the top of the table in the premier league. Even with Bruno amazing output, we shouldn't be in the position we are in the league
A lot of fans on here just look at the results and make a simplistic conclusion. I see our performance and I know that there is something wrong with how our team plays football. This insight has revealed to me for awhile that Ole needs to get sacked because our football has not seen the improvement of a top team. We have the luck of a God on our side, that is my only explanation to why we are near the top of the table in the premier league. Even with Bruno amazing output, we shouldn't be in the position we are in the league
While this might be true for some I chat stress enough just how much more I’ve enjoyed watching this team on a personal level under Ole. That’s worth it’s weight in gold for me. It might not be enough but I’d rather watch another 10 years of this than another year of Mourinho.
When Jose was sacked the club said Ole was caretaker whilst they recruited a DOF and a new manager.
That’s what we should go back to, DOF in ASAP and new manager for next season, Ole goes whether he finishes top four or
not.
It’s never going to work under Ole, he’s never going to suddenly turn into a really good manager and will only keep serving up more of the same.
That’s what we should go back to, DOF in ASAP and new manager for next season, Ole goes whether he finishes top four or
not.
It’s never going to work under Ole, he’s never going to suddenly turn into a really good manager and will only keep serving up more of the same.
Oh, the attacking manager with Utd DNA shat himself yesterday, parked the bus and got a new hole in the backside. A serial bottler thus far.
Why is that when we win its down to individual players and when we lose its down to Ole?
Did Ole instruct Wan Bissaka to leave his man open in our box after 90 seconds? I'm pretty sure he didn't.
Did he tell the entire back 5 to not pick up their men for the second goal? We had good numbers back.
Did he tell Maguire and DDG to make a total mess of the 3rd?
Ole obviously takes some of the blame as manager but these players are simply not good enough. Poch or Allegri aren't going to make that back 5 PL title or CL winners. They aren't good enough.
Ole will no doubt go before the start of next season but nothing will change at this club. We won't get a DOF and even if we do they will pick the wrong one and a yes man to appease the fans. We are being ran by idiots.
Did Ole instruct Wan Bissaka to leave his man open in our box after 90 seconds? I'm pretty sure he didn't.
Did he tell the entire back 5 to not pick up their men for the second goal? We had good numbers back.
Did he tell Maguire and DDG to make a total mess of the 3rd?
Ole obviously takes some of the blame as manager but these players are simply not good enough. Poch or Allegri aren't going to make that back 5 PL title or CL winners. They aren't good enough.
Ole will no doubt go before the start of next season but nothing will change at this club. We won't get a DOF and even if we do they will pick the wrong one and a yes man to appease the fans. We are being ran by idiots.
It is Ole's job to prepare the team. It is him who bought AWB and Maguire. It is him who is resposible for coaching the team both individually and collectively. And yes, RBL have a better manager than we do. It is now official. Give this Leipzig team to Ole and United to Nagelsmann and in 1 year time you will see a huge difference. Clueless Board, the owners with no sportive ambitions, and a manager who is out of his depth making a fortune and spending hundreds of millions on players who continue to feck up.
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