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"Negru" - black colour ,no other context in RomaniaWhat is the actual word the 4th official used?
"Negru" - black colour ,no other context in RomaniaWhat is the actual word the 4th official used?
This is such a needlessly aggressive take. Youre incorrect.If you read the thread you will realize that it's not people primary concern and that information only came out after most people had already posted. But it's clear that you are trying to create your own outrage.
You went into a thread and attacked people integrity from the go, the tone was absolutely particularly when even after having an answer you kept attacking others.This is such a needlessly aggressive take. Youre incorrect.
You don't know who said that and as I said earlier it's not his voice but in an other video you actually see someone with the same voice saying that kind of things repeatedly.https://www.telekomsport.ro/video-i...=prosport&utm_medium=cross&utm_campaign=Cross
If you scroll down you see a pretty long video about the incident. Around the 9th minute mark (game clock, not video clock), Webo clearly says to the 4th ref: "what are you counting? for what team? this is like basketball. We are very clean. We are not from Romania, we are from Turkey". Immediately after that, one of the romanian officials says in romanian "Tavi, look, I told you this Webo guy is a jerk". Then after that it's hard to make out whatever is spoken until the incident.
Also, if you really bother following the whole video, Demba Ba specifically says why does he have to say NEGRO when referring to a black person. Clearly alluding that he knows nothing about the romanian language. And I somewhat think it's the turkish manager that makes the comment about romanians in turkey being gypsies.
I think you've just created a story. I posted a balanced opinion suggesting that perhaps people don't get indignant about something that is still developing. I then asked why people aren't getting further indignant about what seems like an even more offensive comment.You went into a thread and attacked people integrity from the go, the tone was absolutely particularly when even after having an answer you kept attacking others.
There was nothing balanced, you immediately accused people of hypocrisy and double standard, you drew conclusions before having the needed informations. And you are still doing it even though you have been told that people didn't hear about that report because it wasn't mentioned when most people commented on the incident, in fact when you made your own comment that report wasn't widespread either and I would also add that the report from the romanian journalist seems wrong too because while someone said it, it seems that it was an other member of the staff and you can see the guy later with the same voice/accent who is berating the 4th referee and Webo is already out. And as I initially answered, everyone that did something wrong should be sanctioned.I think you've just created a story. I posted a balanced opinion suggesting that perhaps people don't get indignant about something that is still developing. I then asked why people aren't getting further indignant about what seems like an even more offensive comment.
Of course even that comment might seem less offensive when we know it's context, but it seems massively inconsistent in morals to have an international outcry, vilification of a man (who it may turn out wasn't even the man who said it!) and high profile players and clubs rushing to condemn while being absolutely silent on this one.
If you're consistent in your morals then you either rush to condemn both, or you wait and see on both. Otherwise your intentions don't appear to have any real integrity
You don't know who said that and as I said earlier it's not his voice but in an other video you actually see someone with the same voice saying that kind of things repeatedly.
I don't know why they wanted to book Webo, maybe he did something else or said something that we can't hear and I don't think that we should assume that it's because he is black.Seriously? So it was another guy saying those things, but somehow the officials wanted to book Webo just because he’s black?
I thought they walked off the pitch yesterday in support of Luka Doncic who got called a “bithc ass white boy” without any sanctions for the player that said it.
Genuinely think you're too hyperbolic to discuss this with further. I'm not sure what you're even arguing.There was nothing balanced, you immediately accused people of hypocrisy and double standard, you drew conclusions before having the needed informations. And you are still doing it even though you have been told that people didn't hear about that report because it wasn't mentioned when most people commented on the incident, in fact when you made your own comment that report wasn't widespread either and I would also add that the report from the romanian journalist seems wrong too because while someone said it, it seems that it was an other member of the staff and you can see the guy later with the same voice/accent who is berating the 4th referee and Webo is already out. And as I initially answered, everyone that did something wrong should be sanctioned.
On a side note Mbappé did point to the member of the staff when he was talking to the referee, he said "If he(the referee) really said that then he has to leave and it's the same for him(Istanbul's staff member).".
Because no one mentioned it, not even the referees. And because the game was stopped due to a specific comment aimed at Webo, if the refererees left the field due to these comments then it probably would have been the headline. And I do think that the other comments are worse and the guy keeps doing it after Webo is already expelled.Genuinely think you're too hyperbolic to discuss this with further. I'm not sure what you're even arguing.
You seem to be saying that the reason people aren't talking about the gypsy comment with the same degree of outrage is because so few people have heard about it, which is exactly my point. I'm not arguing with anybody I'm wondering why one comment can cause such widespread outrage and what at this point may well be an even more offensive one is scarcely mentioned not in this thread but more broadly.
There is no point in you and I going back and forth here, I truly don't know what you're arguing or why you're so angry.
I can understand there's a logic in ways to using race as a descriptor, but equally I can imagine always being described as 'the black guy' is somewhat dehumanising and wearing, regardless whether it's meant innocently. I would say it's more clumsy and outdated than abusive- ideally you have a word with the officials about use of language, apologise and we all move on.Yes if someone finds it offensive to be identified as "that black guy" (with no racist intentions, only as means of identification) then the ref shouldnt use that term to identify him. But is it equivalent to racist abuse? Thats the point Im debating. Sure, people were offended, but should we crucify the ref just for using the word black (negro in this case) even if there is no case of racism? Things are getting quite ridiculous where even the mention of a word is enough to destroy a person's life. Yes, the ref should have been more sensitive, but tell me, is it possible that people sometimes utter words first and think of the consequences later? Should a mistake like that destroy his career?
When someone identifies me as the "Indian guy" (im a wheat-skinned Indian studying in London, and this has happened a few times) in a crowd, I dont take offense at it when theres no malicious intent involved. If skin colour is just a physical description used to identify a person, and nothing more, should we be so offended when someone mentions black, or brown?
As for Mbappe, no, he should definitely object when racism is involved. But here it is clear that he's just jumping on the bandwagon to score internet points. If he is truly concerned about racism, oppression,slavery, where are his morals when he is taken money from a nation that still practices slavery? Why not put his money where his mouth is?
I hope you’re rolling your eyes because there’s a double standard, not because I pointed out the double standard.
You pointed to a non existent double standard though, black players are insulted regularly and more often than not games aren't stopped.I hope you’re rolling your eyes because there’s a double standard, not because I pointed out the double standard.
I agree that whenever someone is insulted racially there has to be sanctions and I support games being stopped, but it’s unfortunate you fail to see the double standard here.You pointed to a non existent double standard though, black players are insulted regularly and more often than not games aren't stopped.
One is taking place in a completely different sport that has zero bearing on this incident?I agree that whenever someone is insulted racially there has to be sanctions and I support games being stopped, but it’s unfortunate you fail to see the double standard here.
You want to see a football champions league in Europe, in 2020, between a Turkish and French team, stopped, because a player, playing 4 months ago in a basketball game in the NBA in the United States of America, with no relation to these teams, these players, this sport got called a 'bitch ass white boy'?I agree that whenever someone is insulted racially there has to be sanctions and I support games being stopped, but it’s unfortunate you fail to see the double standard here.
Someone posted a bit of follow-up of the Gypsy comment and he seems to be saying (in response to the negru comment) that 'Romanians are gypsies in my country. But you can't say that'.Genuinely think you're too hyperbolic to discuss this with further. I'm not sure what you're even arguing.
You seem to be saying that the reason people aren't talking about the gypsy comment with the same degree of outrage is because so few people have heard about it, which is exactly my point. I'm not arguing with anybody I'm wondering why one comment can cause such widespread outrage and what at this point may well be an even more offensive one is scarcely mentioned not in this thread but more broadly.
There is no point in you and I going back and forth here, I truly don't know what you're arguing or why you're so angry.
This would make no sense because the coach who 'cried racism' (great way to instantly show how you think btw) is Cameroonian, not Turkish.Is it true that that Istanbul staff member said to the Romanian ref, something like "We're not dirty like Romanians, we're Turkish", seconds/minutes before crying racism after he got called "black"? Just read that in some Reddit posts but couldn't find the audio or anything.
What are the standards?I agree that whenever someone is insulted racially there has to be sanctions and I support games being stopped, but it’s unfortunate you fail to see the double standard here.
That was less than 4 months ago, if I recall.You want to see a football champions league in Europe, in 2020, between a Turkish and French team, stopped, because a player, playing 2 years ago in a basketball game in the NBA in the United States of America, with no relation to these teams, these players, this sport got called a 'bitch ass white boy'?
What exactly is your point here?
Ah fair enough, I don't follow the NBA and thought I'd read 2018 somewhere. Will go back and edit post, thanks.That was less than 4 months ago, if I recall.
August 2020 wasn’t 2 years ago.You want to see a football champions league in Europe, in 2020, between a Turkish and French team, stopped, because a player, playing 2 years ago in a basketball game in the NBA in the United States of America, with no relation to these teams, these players, this sport got called a 'bitch ass white boy'?
What exactly is your point here?
One is taking place in a completely different sport that has zero bearing on this incident?
Are you criticising the NBA? Are you applauding the players in this incident? What point - that is relevant to this thread and incident - are you trying to make?
Acknowledged the mistake above and changed it.August 2020 wasn’t 2 years ago.
As ever, the fact that these 'racism against white people' incidents are being highlighted to try and downplay incidents of racism against black people speaks volumes about how much you actually care about it, your attitude to racism in general, and in your attitude towards improving either situation.I agree that whenever someone is insulted racially there has to be sanctions and I support games being stopped, but it’s unfortunate you fail to see the double standard here.
Well what on earth has it got to do with this incident? Should we bring up all sport related racist incidents and start comparing them? Why just limit it to sport?So what if it happened in the NBA? Is racism in a different sport not racism?
Look at post #1045, the user has posted a video with the audio.Is it true that that Istanbul staff member said to the Romanian ref, something like "We're not dirty like Romanians, we're Turkish", seconds/minutes before crying racism after he got called "black"? Just read that in some Reddit posts but couldn't find the audio or anything.
Not harshly enough... Its a dreadful thing to say about an incident, especially when you've already admitted to not knowing the facts of the case.The "crying racism" wording in your post has already been addressed.
it's just rumours at this pointIs it true that that Istanbul staff member said to the Romanian ref, something like "We're not dirty like Romanians, we're Turkish", seconds/minutes before crying racism after he got called "black"? Just read that in some Reddit posts but couldn't find the audio or anything.
Do you agree that racism against black people is a much much bigger problem than racism against white people?I hope you’re rolling your eyes because there’s a double standard, not because I pointed out the double standard.
Yeah, you're right, it's an awful take.Not harshly enough... Its a dreadful thing to say about an incident, especially when you've already admitted to not knowing the facts of the case.
You don’t know me and can’t possibly fathom how much I care or not, but ok.As ever, the fact that these 'racism against white people' incidents are being highlighted to try and downplay incidents of racism against black people speaks volumes about how much you actually care about it, your attitude to racism in general, and in your attitude towards improving either situation.
Oh, sorry I didn’t see it in time.Acknowledged the mistake above and changed it.
How about the rest of the post then?
In this day and age? See, that’s the thing. I wouldn’t agree.Do you agree that racism against black people is a much much bigger problem than racism against white people?
You might say that, but it's clear from your posts you're trying to use whataboutism to dismiss the validity of the issue at hand. You might not realise what you're doing, but it happens all the time in these debates and it is very transparent.You don’t know me and can’t possibly fathom how much I care or not, but ok.
I say we should fight any form of racism without equally exception and you take that as downplaying racism?
What the feck is this post?Imagine the shock Demba Ba will experience when he finds out the name of that one former Yugoslavian country and the name of that little sea north of Turkey.
Yeah, no worries. I agree with you that incident is unrelated to CL football in Europe. So it’s wrong to bring it up as a case of double standards.Ah fair enough, I don't follow the NBA and thought I'd read 2018 somewhere. Will go back and edit post, thanks.