I'm confused, how on earth can he point to our group stages as progress? Struggling in Europa a year ago? Does he know he inherited a squad that won the Europa League a year before he came in?
Solksjaer's press conferenence - City at home
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Ole doesn't care anymore about what's acceptable or unacceptable for United. He shows by this he really only cares about showing everyone that he's doing a good job and progressing the team. We get an unacceptable shocking result and he immediately compares it to an old result to tell people he has done a pretty good job since then. That's it, all it matters to him is desperately convincing everyone he's doing well here. He's honestly as selfish as any outsider manager managing the club for his own benefits. This isn't even the mentality I'll expect from an ex United legend managing the club.
We're such an odd team. I feel like if we had beaten Istanbul then we'd have been on 12 points, already qualified, and going into the last two games with minimal pressure.but we would be through if we'd beaten Istanbul Basaksehir.
and close going through to the CL knockouts is never a positive. We should always be getting into the knockouts.
I get that he wants to accentuate the positives, but... even if it's somehow progress, it's still not good for a club of United's size.
If he didn't rotate, you'd have fancied us to beat PSG ans Leipzig too when we absolutely didn't have to. That's the most frustrating thing. We'd be singing a different tune, but you still feel like we'd bottle it in the knock outs anyway against a semi decent team.
"What do you want him to say" proceeds to give the most extreme example possible.
See this in almost every Ole presser
"Fine margins" is what annoys the tats off me.
Inherited a squad that won Europa a year before he joined, inherited a squad that got him to the quarter-finals of the Champions League just months after he joined.
Two years later we should apparently be happy that we can give Redbull fecking Leipzig a game, a team that Nagelsmann has managed for less time than him, a squad he took over that had never even been in the Champions League knockout stage in their history and that failed to get out of a EL group, finishing behind Celtic and Salzburg the season before he joined.
So, Nagelsmann on MILES less money and in less time, has got his side from Europa League Group embarrassments to CL semi finalists and a team Ole thinks we should be delighted that we can give them a game and learn from our mistakes.
Ole has taken us from CL quarter finalists to guys just happy to be there and learn, because we gave them a game and last year we could barely beat utter shite.
Progress indeed, just feck off.
I wanted him to get till Jan and see, but I’m numb to the bollocks of lowering standards like this and a bunch of fecking dimwits going along with it.
Piss right off.
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completely deluded. keeps saying we are getting better as if we can't see for ourselves that we're doing nothing of the sort. Back in March 2019, I was so upset because I knew he wasn't good enough and we'd have to be rude about him. But he simply has no idea and someone on the board has to be brave enough to admit they made another mistake and get in someone with the nous and experience to rally take us forward.
anyone who thinks we've improved since jose left is kidding themselves
anyone who thinks we've improved since jose left is kidding themselves
Doesn't go with the popular caf opinion that Mourinho had completely destroyed the club top to bottom.
Not sure I'be be quite as vicious as this but I am totally peed of that we keep hearing that Ole know the club's DNA - so where are the wingers? where is the one world-class DF who can get box-to-box? where is the natural goal scorer who can win us games when we are playing badly?
I said this the day the club stupidly went back on their plan and gave him the job full-time earlier than planned: he doesn't have the nous or experience for the job and how the hell can a man who failed spectacularly at Cardiff be the right man for Old Trafford?
I love Ole dearly and always will, but hey I love my sisters - I just wouldn't expect them to manage United! Someone on the board has to realise they've fecked it up again. there is no rebuild: Ole is a facade and I'm pretty sure the players have no idea what he wants of them. Sometimes I think his team talk amounts to: go out and win...
you never heard that from me: I said he should have been backed with who he wanted just like he was at chelsea and then see. it was so obvious that certain powers in the boardroom never wanted him
No question, and at the first sign that he wasn’t doing something they considered the United way (sell Martial, sell Pogba) they did everything to block him doing it.
Makes the whole appointment so fecking stupid from start to finish, when clearly certain people must have been strongly against it.
Nearly qualifying from the group is progress. At least he knows the DNA and ‘United way’ eh.
Not everyone. I certainly do not agree to that opinion.
But it keeps thrown around as if it is the truth. So I was surprised that there was suddenly the talk of Ole inheriting a decent squad.
Self preservation.
I still think he can come out today and say “it’s not good enough for this club, we had a great start to the group and we’re devastated we didn’t go through. But we move on and learn”.
Turning us into some bitches of Leipzig is embarrassing the club, and is an attempt to lower standards to make himself look better.
Yet quite frankly if thought through (Nagelsmann v Ole, squad in Europe previous to joining, time in charge, spend) by anyone with half a brain, is the most damning statement about his time in charge; from the horses mouth.
“Yes he had a worse squad than me, miles less money than me, and less time than me... but they are the standard we want to be”.
I think if he hadn't gone out of his way to talk about progress, it would have been fine. That bit just riles up the fans.
Very sad but true
Nonsense.
Why can’t he say “it’s not good enough, we’re Manchester United and after the start we had in the group we’re all devastated not to be in the next round. We all need to learn from it, and fast, but we move on.”
Why bollocks about progress and belittling the club? Why lower the expectations of this club?
I’ll tell you why, to make himself look better.
Gonna need a couple of new CB's then Ole.
I will never understand why people get annoyed with press conferences being ‘too positive’. It’s just saying the right things to avoid controversy in the papers etc. I’m sure the manager doesn’t believe half of the stuff he comes out with.
Higher up? 
Don’t start with 7 defenders then ffs.
Don’t start with 7 defenders then ffs.
He didn't say this.....did he?
You found it positive?
Well putting a positive spin on things. Whatever you want to call it. Saying the group was tough and we were close etc.
I've not been DeGea out until the last two matches. I questioned some of his outings before and have wondered if Henderson would be better but I was not ready to change. This is my opinion and I'm sure I'm not the only one with this view. You seem to think it's been obvious for a long time, it hasn't.
When he puts Leipzig on a pedestal, yes.
Nagelsmann inherited a side that got knocked out of the Europa League groups by Celtic and fecking Salzburg. Nagelmann has spent 8m NET. Nagelsmann has done all this in less time than it took Ole to go from CL quarter finals to being his bitch that he can learn from and be pleased we can give em a game.
Good point. But you also can't expect Ole to give the most perfect answer every time and then use his unperfect answers to suggest he should be fired. Is this not an extreme position?
Respect you as a poster mate, but you’re embarrassing yourself here. The aim last season had to be top and that was it.
After our summer window the aim this season was to consolidate our position in the top four and gain back to back qualification for the CL for the first time since SAF.
City have failed repeatedly in the CL with a better team and a better manager... that’s just the nature of a knockout tournament and it shouldnot be used to gauge progress.
Don’t get me wrong, failing to qualify out of the group from the position we put ourselves in was shameful and a definite low point, but the high points from what is a very difficult group were as much down to Ole as the lows.
next season we either qualify for the CL and would expect a better showing and a title challenge, or Ole won’t be here it’s as simple as that.
The accolades this team won and the dire state of it when ole took over are not reflective of one another imo.
All that being said I cannot fully disagree with your view and if the board takes your stance then so be it and onwards and upwards.
Amazing how we are still backing a caretaker manager that got Cardiff relegated and expecting Klopp-level results. He should’ve been out of a job 12 months ago.
If anything epitomises our club right now, it’s this: hanging onto a manager clearly out of his depth out of some ill-perceived loyalty and viewing things through romanticised rose-tinted specs because he ‘gets’ the club. We just aren’t proactive as a club and nothing will change any time soon. We’ll hang onto tat like Jones, Rojo and Lingard, arrogantly turn down players like Reguilon because of the delusions of grandeur we have thinking we’re too big to have buy-back clauses, or stubbornness and reluctance to appoint a DoF, accept shit performances from the likes of DDG because he was a ‘top GK’ once upon a time, have no backbone when it comes to ‘stars’ and their leech agents holding the club to ransom and talking shit about the club, being taken to the cleaners with every player we negotiate for, an over-reliance on one or two players or a penalty to paper over the cracks of mediocrity and ride the wave of a flukey result or run of fixtures here and there.
This is the reality of the club right now. We are a ghost of the club that once ruled Europe and England, and living off the fumes of our past reputation and achievements. A total laughing stock. We might even pull off a victory over City guaranteeing Ole another 6 months in the job, but sadly nothing is going to change any time soon.
If anything epitomises our club right now, it’s this: hanging onto a manager clearly out of his depth out of some ill-perceived loyalty and viewing things through romanticised rose-tinted specs because he ‘gets’ the club. We just aren’t proactive as a club and nothing will change any time soon. We’ll hang onto tat like Jones, Rojo and Lingard, arrogantly turn down players like Reguilon because of the delusions of grandeur we have thinking we’re too big to have buy-back clauses, or stubbornness and reluctance to appoint a DoF, accept shit performances from the likes of DDG because he was a ‘top GK’ once upon a time, have no backbone when it comes to ‘stars’ and their leech agents holding the club to ransom and talking shit about the club, being taken to the cleaners with every player we negotiate for, an over-reliance on one or two players or a penalty to paper over the cracks of mediocrity and ride the wave of a flukey result or run of fixtures here and there.
This is the reality of the club right now. We are a ghost of the club that once ruled Europe and England, and living off the fumes of our past reputation and achievements. A total laughing stock. We might even pull off a victory over City guaranteeing Ole another 6 months in the job, but sadly nothing is going to change any time soon.
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He should have avoided those questions for now instead of saying what he did. From "we are Manchester United" to "we used to struggle against Rochdale and European farmers". He is doing exactly what Moyes used to do, setting the expectations low. Pretty soon, top 4 achievement will be called progress.
Ubelievable quotes from a United manager. The transformation into late Wenger-era Arsenal is complete.
Up next: Arteta-era Arsenal.
Up next: Arteta-era Arsenal.
Jose gained back to back qualification for the CL @McTerminator. Won 2 cups in his first year, qualified for Champions League, finished 2nd in his second season, qualified for CL. CLEAR PROGRESS. Yet he was deemed not right for the club and therefore not good enough to keep his job, so what has changed other than expectations of the manager?
Finishing top 4 after finishing 3rd doesn't feel like progress. Nagelsmann has shown you clearly just what can be achieved in 2 seasons by a good manager, for 8m euros NET. Hell Jose showed it, and even if he was the wrong choice for us as a club, we had clear proof that a top manager can improve and win things post Fergie, even with these owners and board.
Did i miss a briefing or is that your opinion of what you expected from Ole. Have never heard this goal that Ole was only tasked with making top 4 back to back and nothing more. Even the reports backing Ole say the board thinks he can mount a title challenge this season not just top 4
He's been completely neutered. I wonder who has his bollocks on their mantlepiece, Raiola or Woodward
Oh ok. As it happens I don't think DeGea should start either.
Solksjaer!
Jose showed it by bringing his own demise Pogba, forking out 30 mil on Mikhi, then swapping him for Sanchez and forking out another 1.5 million a month so the Alexis can keep the bench shiny. Never mind the clumsy donkey Lukaku was (I should be careful with the term donkey in this day and age. Donkey's have long penises and that could be a deemed racist). A third of our counter attacks turned into us being counter attacked, because his first touch was so poor it was actually a through ball for the opponent. Mind you, watched him the other day - he has improved that aspect.
When Ole first arrived he was a breath of the fresh air. Talked about the utd way and how no team would outfight or outrun us and play great attacking free flowing football. At first that happened but now we don't press, hassle or get in the face of the opposition and the only time we fight or start to play is when behind which is always. I think the players have lost faith and are confused by the tactics hence the lack of organisation and sometimes absolutely shambolic performances.
As I say, he wasn't right for us, but he was successful, clearly our most successful post Fergie.
Jose showed it by bringing his own demise Pogba, forking out 30 mil on Mikhi, then swapping him for Sanchez and forking out another 1.5 million a month so the Alexis can keep the bench shiny. Never mind the clumsy donkey Lukaku was (I should be careful with the term donkey in this day and age. Donkey's have long penises and that could be a deemed racist). A third of our counter attacks turned into us being counter attacked, because his first touch was so poor it was actually a through ball for the opponent. Mind you, watched him the other day - he has improved that aspect.
Sanchez was a panic purchase from the entire club I feel, they desperately wanted one up on City and 99% of us were behind it, loving it in fact.
I don't think he brought about his own demise, he wanted rid of Pogba and Martial after finishing 2nd, yet the club decided they had different ideas on the direction the club should take.... from then on Jose is a ticking time bomb as we all know. Stupid appointment from start to finish because you have to back Jose or just don't fecking bother, trying to change him is idiotic.
Why the absolute feck would that be what I want? I lived through the Jose years of the terrible stuff he'd say about the club publicly, I don't want that again.