Pochettino or die
Ole in. Who's with me?
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How's this echo chamber coming along? Bizarre mentality to have on a forum.
Echo chambers are never good, but I almost get where he's coming from. Wanting to sack Ole right now seems like a very unreasonable stance. To some people, I guess it's too much to deal with.
Personally I will never ignore anyone. No matter how ridiculous the opinion, it's still important to not forget that different opinions exists.
It can’t be argued, at least not convincingly, that we’ve made substantial progress as a squad during the two years of Ole’s reign. Some bright moments yes, but also more than our fair share of dark moments.
Poch is not the answer, but I have no idea who is. So plow forward one step forward, one step back, is how it will continue to be until the end of the season.
Poch is not the answer, but I have no idea who is. So plow forward one step forward, one step back, is how it will continue to be until the end of the season.
Yeah, It's a dangerous mentality if you easily dismiss any opposite opinions. After all nobody's the enemy here, we're all fans of Man Utd.
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I'm frustrated at times but I still see us progressing and developing. Granted it's slow and we do get setbacks (today was a dull as shit game), but this season will be a strange one with tired players. Sacking him at the end of the season for failing to qualify for the CL would be fair cop. But he should be backed in January and allow him to continue on, sacking him now would be extremely risky and it would also slow down (yet again) the selling of our dead wood players.
If nothing else, he's steadied the ship and got us heading back in the right direction and yes he might not have the qualities to take us all the way, but I do think we're in a better position now than when he joined.
If nothing else, he's steadied the ship and got us heading back in the right direction and yes he might not have the qualities to take us all the way, but I do think we're in a better position now than when he joined.
All other EPL teams fans will definitely be with you on Ole in bandwagon.
Ole out. Personally, assessing his time here overall, I see it as accelerating the inevitable. With City & Liverpool dropping a level, it really feels like a league title is there for the taking this season. Ole has done good work in shaping the squad for future success, but as I think he's hit his ceiling, I believe we can achieve something special this season if we're willing to be ruthless.
The other side to that is, how can I be sure that the replacement will be the right fit to justify the risk in change?
Someone like Pochettino is attainable right now, as he's without a club. There's no question Pochettino is a better manager. I would expect him to justify the risk in change, and get more out of us than Ole. The ability to get more out of us, could be the difference between a title challenge or not, so I fully believe it is worth it.
If we're not going to make a change, I want to see someone like Rangnick come in, so he can provide some continuity for us, before we make our next managerial change.
The other side to that is, how can I be sure that the replacement will be the right fit to justify the risk in change?
Someone like Pochettino is attainable right now, as he's without a club. There's no question Pochettino is a better manager. I would expect him to justify the risk in change, and get more out of us than Ole. The ability to get more out of us, could be the difference between a title challenge or not, so I fully believe it is worth it.
If we're not going to make a change, I want to see someone like Rangnick come in, so he can provide some continuity for us, before we make our next managerial change.
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I'm in. Let's see at the end of the season if we have improved or not and if he still has something to offer.
I'm firmly against Woodward sacking or hiring another manager. He's shown he's absolutely clueless. A director of football should be appointed before we sack Ole or hire anyone else (and I'm not sure I trust Ed to hire a decent DOF either, tbh).
I'm firmly against Woodward sacking or hiring another manager. He's shown he's absolutely clueless. A director of football should be appointed before we sack Ole or hire anyone else (and I'm not sure I trust Ed to hire a decent DOF either, tbh).
Neville was at least finally talking some sense today, he's definitely starting to have serious doubts. Realising that winning by comebacks in the last 20 minutes, having played utter shit and been slapped about for the first 60 or however long, isn't in any way acceptable and definitely isn't a sustainable way to go through the season, eventually the VAR/penalty/Bruno luck will run out. Was also surprised when he actually conceded that, from what we've seen this season so far, we've gone backwards. None of this delusional "but you can clearly see we're making progress" garbage. How can you be making progress when the team selection and formation are changing, not just every match, but every fecking half?!
Between now and January all our games are against teams we should be dominating. We might not win them all, but we should be dominating them. We need a consistent formation consistent team selections and consistent performances. And if we dont get that Ole should be walking.
Between now and January all our games are against teams we should be dominating. We might not win them all, but we should be dominating them. We need a consistent formation consistent team selections and consistent performances. And if we dont get that Ole should be walking.
GFY.
Am in. Yes, we are one of the most inconsistent teams but we are getting better. He gets criticized for talking about mentality, fitness but I do believe that's what we actually lack. We do have a decent squad to be winning against most teams in PL. Just that as a group we aren't on top of the game for all 90mins. That's what he's trying to get into this team. Sometimes even after a win he says the game was won by fine margins, it applies to the ones we are losing too.. but we have had too many such moments. That's why the consistency part is important.
I'll give this year to Ole to see where we finish and how players are responding. Do they still play for him? We can take it from there
I'll give this year to Ole to see where we finish and how players are responding. Do they still play for him? We can take it from there
Glad Neville even admit that individuals moment is a way we keep winning matches. Plus, our performance are not good enough. I thought he will have his red tinted glass on.
I disagree though that our manager have not been giving enough funds to challenge for the title. We have the third most expensive squad in football and other team has challenge or won it with less.
Exactly. Of course there's truth to the quality/positions but nobody is going to argue half of the team Klopp bought in or inherited was 'ready made world class, title winners' e.g Robertson, Mane, Salah, Wijnaldum, Hendenson, Trent etc.
Compared to our points total at same stage last season, we haven't went backwards.
People need to stop being emotional Bout stuff
Let’s assess at the end of the season. Then again in 2022. Then again in 2025 when Liverpool have 22 league titles to our 20.
So how many are with you and what are you guys gonna do?
In. Give him time. We were shite in Germany, not totally his fault. Sure the tactics were f'ed up, but the players still need to put their big boys pants on and do the business. 5 league games unbeaten; somehow we are still right there with the shite start we had in the league. People need to start performing on a consistent basis. We have very few consistent performers.
But not blind support just because hes an ex player and thats what a lot of Ole in is
Didnt he say though he would make sure we were the fittest team in the league when he first come in? If were lacking then that is on him surely.
Isn’t that the ‘EXULTATION and EXUBERANCE’ thread?
Impressive level of irrelevance.
We ain't winning a thing with Ole. First decent manager he comes up against he doesn't have a clue.
Not me. Want him gone.
I'm not. We want to be one of the best clubs in the country, so we need one of the best managers and he isnt it. Even if 8th was alright, we need to aspire to be better than alright or we'll never rise above it
I am with you...but only because there is no one better available.
Would be a huge error to keep him beyond this season, he has nothing more to offer and will hold team back.
He may well end up similar to Wenger though where he’ll do just enough to make top four and keep the job, that will be enough for the owners.
He may well end up similar to Wenger though where he’ll do just enough to make top four and keep the job, that will be enough for the owners.
He also says that players will be given starts based on merits and that we only want players that want to play for the club and see how he's failed in doing those either.
We'll have consistent performance no doubt. Consistently bad that is.
While I respect you Ole inners’ opinions, I categorically disagree with this thread because well, I’m Ole out for various reasons which I’ve detailed in other threads. That’s fine, but what I don’t understand is people complaining about there being too many Ole in threads or Ole out threads. This is a Manchester United forum and Ole is the manager, do you not expect there to be a lot of people with differing views and opinions? Or do you just want the sack or keep thread, matchday thread and player performances thread? Because that would make the forum a waste of time.
That’s it, create a nice little safe space. Honestly, that’s the worst attitude you can possible have on an Internet forum.
So all those Ole Out ‘cranks’. Are all of them so bad that they need to be ignored? Do you keep track of them? So you may disagree with their views on how we’re being managed but what about everything else? You may have more grounds for agreement than disagreement. Sometimes, you can even have fun on here with people on one thread who, in another thread you’ve been in disagreement with.
I’m Ole out by the way. I’m not a raving ‘crank’ outter who calls Ole names and wants us to lose so I get my wish. I have lost faith though. I’m not sure I ever completely had faith either. I like a lot of what Ole has done, I like the squad he has assembled and I like that I now feel that Man Utd are back. But that’s it.
So yes, I’ve seen progress in terms of squad composition but what I’m really struggling to see is any huge improvement in how we play. I think another manager could get more out of this squad. Does that thought qualify me as a crank?
So, instead of trying to talk, to maybe convince me you’re right and I’m wrong put me on ignore because I’m a ‘crank’who doesn’t share the same view as you.
i read this and thought i'd logged into a Daily Express website about Boris & Brexit.
answer is still the same though, i think you're very wrong and i'm not with you.
Agree with Nev there
My boss is an ardent Liverpool season ticket holder. Born and bred. His biggest fear is we sack Ole and hire Poch. He loves Ole in charge.
I like Ole but tactically he is inept. How he set up the team in Germany was really poor. He should have done something about the WB situation as soon as possible. He didn’t. Taking Fred off against PSG. Leaving no one back against Besiktas for the first goal. Making substitutions when it’s too late. Not able to compete when a “lesser manager” changes tactics.
Lack of thought at dead ball situations.
Not having the guts to drop DDG. He’s not the goalie he was. That third goal against Leipzig was embarrassing.
He’s not a top manager but I think it’s not the time to change. Reassess in the summer.
Lack of thought at dead ball situations.
Not having the guts to drop DDG. He’s not the goalie he was. That third goal against Leipzig was embarrassing.
He’s not a top manager but I think it’s not the time to change. Reassess in the summer.
GNev is spot on there. I mean, that for me is why gradually, and it is gradually, have ended up being unconvinced by Oles ability to get us where we want to be.
I think we have a very good squad, a little light up front for me, but I want to see that squad controlling matches more often and for longer periods. We’ve seen we can do it, so let’s do it.
Yes, we've made progess in that aspect I think... This is a strange season with COVID and fixture congestion has not helped at all. But we are better from where we were when Mourinho went.. Shaw, Lindelof are couple I can think of who've improved in fitness..