It probably shouldn't, but your love of the Broncos impacts my opinion of you here
I kind of get it, I'm not "convinced", but then I'm not convinced by anyone else either.
Ole in. Who's with me?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I kind of get it, I'm not "convinced", but then I'm not convinced by anyone else either.
You don’t think there’s anyone out there that could do a better job?
It’s a no from me, Carl.
Have a good night though
Have a good night though
It probably shouldn't, but your love of the Broncos impacts my opinion of you here
I kind of get it, I'm not "convinced", but then I'm not convinced by anyone else either.
I’ve just posted in the “other” thread with quotes from a year ago to underline my position.Yeh I kind of feel you and I suppose I'm kind of similar. I'm by no means "ole is amazing" but I generally approach life in a "better the devil you know" kind of wayI guess what I meant was, are you seeking validation in how many people say they are “Ole in”? Because there are plenty of threads where you can see discussion between people who want a change of manager or want to continue with what we’re doing now, so I was just curious what good it would do to know who is “Ole in”. But it’s all good if it provokes a decent discussion, so I’ll stop mithering on that point
I think there is a middle ground between Ole and Klopp, myself! I have no urgent desire for us to change manager because I have no faith the ownership will get the next appointment right, but I do also feel that this squad should be showing more after 2 years with Ole and that we have probably hit a ceiling with his management. Therefore, I don’t feel like I am “Ole in” or “Ole out”, and I’m not sure what benefit there is to attaching yourself to one side or the other, as opposed to just discussing relevant issues (recruitment, playing style, mentality, fitness etc) that relate to the management of the club.
I'm still totally Ole in. Every time we lose people start wailing and gnashing their teeth. It's ridiculous.
I'm Ole in.
Only way I can see that changing is unless the results take a U turn in the league.
I'll stand by what I've said since end of last season. He done a top job sorting the mess we were in, and the players 100% play for him.
Might or might not bring the promised land but we be closer to where we need to be.
People need to stop crying about it all.
Only way I can see that changing is unless the results take a U turn in the league.
I'll stand by what I've said since end of last season. He done a top job sorting the mess we were in, and the players 100% play for him.
Might or might not bring the promised land but we be closer to where we need to be.
People need to stop crying about it all.
I am buddy, i am. Its just football, right?It’s a no from me, Carl.
Have a good night though
Yeh im with you. I look at hassenhutl, Rose and that fella at Leipzig and I have some envy. But that's not to say they'd be able to translate that into success at United.
I think he deserves this season, if he can get us top 4 at the least. Anything else is a step backwards.
However, I’m not convinced he’s the man to take us forward.
So to be honest, I’m probably on the fence.
Sigh.
Leeds next weekend, don’t let us down Ole!
However, I’m not convinced he’s the man to take us forward.
So to be honest, I’m probably on the fence.
Sigh.
Leeds next weekend, don’t let us down Ole!
I respect that. I guess the "better the devil you know" attitude is fair enough, I certainly don't think we will become title challengers simply by changing manager, and it could go badly wrong with a worse manager who might lead us to free fall, I do acknowledge that part too.
I don't know much about football (I was going to say 'outside of Europe', but I'll be honest and expand that to 'in general') so I don't know about other managers out there who may do better than Ole, but I would imagine there are some out there, and I would love it if this club was brave, progressive and forward-thinking enough to establish a project with a genuine managerial talent. Whereas I do feel I have seen enough of us under Ole to suggest he isn't a stellar managerial talent.
So I have to say, in terms of answering your initial question, that I am more "apathetic about United's future" than I am "Ole out" or "Ole in". I'd like to think that we can get a managerial appointment right in the future, so I hope we don't give up by just sticking blindly with Ole if we are still showing the same flaws by the end of the season.
Indeed. Points not a bad result grand scheme of things anyway.
Certainly there are, but if the criteria is "better than Ole" we could hire almost anyone to replace him (Allegri, Sarri, Blanc, Poch) and the issue is it would be knee jerk and we'd be stuck with the replacement for the next 3 years.
But I'd rather we play it right and spend January to try to convince Nagelsmann to join after his season, I think we'd be in a better position to convince a manager like him to come if we respect that he still has a season to play for.
Not sure you've quite grasped the purpose of a forum, there. Just saying.
Unless we're out of top 4 I'll take him really, I don't see other options to replace him besides Pochettino.
Ok kidding aside, I'm Ole-in until likely mid January 2021.Interested to know how he'll do with the window specifically both transfer outs and ins.
1. If no activity and football still inconsistent, then Ole-out.
2. If late activity wrapped up as usual showing our incompetency, then Ole-out.
Doesn't matter if the football suddenly gets better in Jan, it's going to gets worse not long after for sure since we are too dependent on players to make our chosen system works. So basically we need better and more consistent players to make key influences just as Bruno did and only him. Tbf, both Mag and AWB also play key roles to passing around at the back. Better players will improve even if it's slightly our football and consistency level.
Why the heck should you delay if you're really serious to win things? Of course it's not all on Ole, but by now he should already tell and pressure the club to get ready and finish up every negotiation, done deal already before end of December. So he should share some of the blame since he should have big influences in the club already by now. If he didn't have that influence then he's doing bad jobs. Our club is so incompetent, you need good manager playing good political game mostly at backstage.
3. If January has good early sensible activities and nice turn towards good football form, then remain Ole-in. I have low confidence this will happen unfortunately.
4. But what if Jan has good early activities but remain bad football?
= Ole-in until end of Feb, then assess the situation. If the players happen to be shit, then shit. Good then that's a plus on Ole. If football is still worse or remain as it is not sustainable, would be great if he is fully aware of his abilities and abilities, thus resign instead of sack because that so embarrassing, and let other managers have a go at this squad from then on.
Very much Olé in. He’s doing a fantastic job, hampered and undermined by our inept board, a fat loud mouth agent, a media witch hunt and a global pandemic.
Last season we managed 3rd and a bunch of semi finals, and I’m confident this year we can win something, just not the CL.
Shame no context or benefit of the doubt is given to this extraordinary season and the teams efforts during it.
Last season we managed 3rd and a bunch of semi finals, and I’m confident this year we can win something, just not the CL.
Shame no context or benefit of the doubt is given to this extraordinary season and the teams efforts during it.
Carl stop replying to everyone it’s giving me the wrong impression of who is with us.
Yeah. I look at Lucien Fabre at Dortmund where everyone seems to row in the same direction and there's a consistent approach to choice of managers and playing staff and think how well he'd be performing here with Woodward and the Glazers often seemingly rowing in a different direction.
Until this season I was. Now im out.
Im in
No way, I prefer a manager that can actually has us playing attractive football and back on top of Europe. From what I have seen so far, Ole is the antithesis of that.
Fecking Brighton are more entertaining than us, so no.
I am in!
No way in hell I would sign up for more of Ole. Sooner he goes back to irrelevance in Norway, the better.
I'm teetering on the brink
I'd be Ole out if we had a director of football or any decent chance of getting a good replacement in
but honestly I have no faith in the club to put together a cohesive plan to do that
I'd be Ole out if we had a director of football or any decent chance of getting a good replacement in
but honestly I have no faith in the club to put together a cohesive plan to do that
He is doing all right but I do feel that he is taken us the farthest we can go with him at the helm and with our current financial situation. It's not going to be any better - fighting for top 4 every season from here on.
I really do like him and owe him a lot because he really made me love football again. I had stopped watching most of our matches towards the end of Jose's reign but I do feel that the team has chemistry and the love playing for him. However, his people skills and positive attitude can only take him so far. It is a specialist job that required creativity and innovation, things that he lacks completely. He is learning on the job right now and there is nothing to learn from anymore.
I think the time has come for him to leave the club but of course he wouldn't turn back from this situation when we are 4 points behind the league leaders.
If only there was a thread which has a public poll on this topic.
This group of players needs better coaching and tactical awareness. It’s all geared up for Pochentino to take them to that next step. If not Allegri but the style of football would not be pleasing on the eye.
Who needs opposition when you have your strongest and most enthusiastic critics where you are supposed to find support.
**** vibes
DADDY WANT WANT WANT a new manager
mon dieu
I've supported him from day one. He isn't perfect and he's made mistakes along the way but I do feel that progress has been and is being made. As long as he gets top 4 this season then he deserves to keep his job and next summer the board might actually be able to pull their fingers out of their arses and get Ole the players he's been asking for, for the best part of 2 years now.
No thanks.
Good enough is not good enough for our club.
Good enough is not good enough for our club.
This thread is perfect as it helps identify a ton more Ole Out cranks that I can add to my ignore list!
I want United to be fun and successful again. Dont care who gets us there. Just dont see us doing it under Ole. If by some miracle he does then I'll be Ole in.
I would like to see us competing for, and hopefully winning, major honours alongside seeing us play entertaining football that we've been deprived of for almost a decade now.
For those reasons I have to decline. I think every opposition fan on here will be with you, though.
For those reasons I have to decline. I think every opposition fan on here will be with you, though.
I wavered at the beginning of the season but I'm firmly in the Ole-in camp right now. Opinion / Data on why:
Since Bruno has joined (so basically all of 2020) we have a better premier league record than every single PL club including Liverpool and City. If that doesn't convince you that Ole deserves more time, I don't know what will.
The players are still playing for him and haven't given up like they did under Jose / LvG.
The football meets the eye test - we were totally dominated by the PSG when he first came in and fluked the 1-3 win away. This year, both games I thought we out-played them. Same goes for the RBL both home and away.
Last season we were ranting about why we play out from the back when it's clear that just lumping the ball up field would be so much safer. Cost us against Southampton end of last season. This year, the RBL press barely worked. Southampton were easily dispatched off. WHU thought that they could press us but that didn't work either once Bruno and Rashy came on. We were pretty comfortable playing things out the back against a Guardiola team today. I agree with Ole 100% when he says we won the tie last year but played better today.
Have a bit of faith until end of season and we can re-evaluate. If he doesn't get us top four at the very minimum, he leaves, simple as. IMO we will achieve it a lot more comfortably than we previously did - will get more points, put further distance between us and 4th and maybe get close to a title challenge this year.
Since Bruno has joined (so basically all of 2020) we have a better premier league record than every single PL club including Liverpool and City. If that doesn't convince you that Ole deserves more time, I don't know what will.
The players are still playing for him and haven't given up like they did under Jose / LvG.
The football meets the eye test - we were totally dominated by the PSG when he first came in and fluked the 1-3 win away. This year, both games I thought we out-played them. Same goes for the RBL both home and away.
Last season we were ranting about why we play out from the back when it's clear that just lumping the ball up field would be so much safer. Cost us against Southampton end of last season. This year, the RBL press barely worked. Southampton were easily dispatched off. WHU thought that they could press us but that didn't work either once Bruno and Rashy came on. We were pretty comfortable playing things out the back against a Guardiola team today. I agree with Ole 100% when he says we won the tie last year but played better today.
Have a bit of faith until end of season and we can re-evaluate. If he doesn't get us top four at the very minimum, he leaves, simple as. IMO we will achieve it a lot more comfortably than we previously did - will get more points, put further distance between us and 4th and maybe get close to a title challenge this year.