Foxbatt
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Lets see what happens against Leicester first. We did beat PSG too last year and this year too.
What would a loss v Leicester prove?Lets see what happens against Leicester first. We did beat PSG too last year and this year too.
Another test for OleWhat would a loss v Leicester prove?
Didnt we pass that last season?Another test for Ole
Home and away form takes the piss for completely opposite reasons. We've been such a weird team this year, but I'm optimistic that we're on the right path.PL table made up of all games since Bruno arrived. United are certainly consistently getting points after he arrived. 4 points behind with having less games. Could easily be on top. Liverpool had obviously already sealed the trophy in march, but there still is concistency at show here.
1 Manchester City 24 10 1 1 37 7 6 2 4 18 10 38 51 2 Liverpool 25 10 1 0 31 13 5 5 4 24 23 19 51 3 Manchester United 22 4 3 3 17 15 10 2 0 30 9 23 47 4 Tottenham Hotspur 25 7 3 2 21 11 6 5 2 24 14 20 47
Source: https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-table...Feb-01/todate:2020-Dec-20/type:home-and-away/
If you claim our football in 2016 was entertaining, we will never see eye to eye on that.Cheers for the stats.
2020 is a good year, many (not all) things considered. Not trophies nor competitions wise though, have to be said. We're out of CL again for god sake. Football is also arguably back to fun and best since Bruno join in. If you're saying progress compare to last year then definitely, since last year and the year before that are just trash. We stoop that low so the only way is up, easy "progress". The heights of 2016 and 2017 with trophies at that are way better progress.
2016 - fun football since Rashord joining in are great, couple that with Zlatan, Pogba, Mkhi and others season after. Won a trophy (FA Cup). Damage done last year, no CL.
2017 - trophies (League cup and Europa League), back to CL and a solid year all-around. Football is fun early years, but just effective later on, remained in CL.
2018 - shit
2019 - shit
2020 - great ever since Bruno joining in, everything is awesome! Football is great and fun, but zero trophies. Zero! And out of freaking CL. Progress?
Overall Year 2017 and 2016 are definitely the better years, showing greater progression with comparable football, but winning actual trophies and remained in competitions.
Why select year as comparison though? just curious. Because using seasons as comparison will show poor stats to support Ole? Yeah I get this season is only half way through so far unfinished. Curious what are the actual stats of last two seasons. Ole took a half of season 18/19.
I know it's a cliche but I do find this a testAnother test for Ole
Way to go and jinx us.I remember people calling me mad because I felt we could be a dark horse for the CL this year. I honestly think we're going to cause teams lots of problems, the Tottenham game was a bad day at the office, we're generally a hard team to play against for the big clubs. Pace, technique, grit and we do have a good defense when everyones fit. Going to be a fun ride this year.
Correct - in the league none of our managers did after FergusonThe regularity with which we score 3 or more is very satisfying.
I think I read that from moyes to mourinho we scored 5 twice. (leverkusen and mjityland) Under ole it's happened 7 times.
Be careful with TWTD, their tables are not always accurate. We played 14 games last season with Bruno (you might recall seeing the 9-5-0 record, that was floating around), and have played 13 this season. That's 27 games. Below is an accurate table, I didn't do home and away, sorry.PL table made up of all games since Bruno arrived. United are certainly consistently getting points after he arrived. 4 points behind with having less games. Could easily be on top. Liverpool had obviously already sealed the trophy in march, but there still is concistency at show here.
1 Manchester City 24 10 1 1 37 7 6 2 4 18 10 38 51 2 Liverpool 25 10 1 0 31 13 5 5 4 24 23 19 51 3 Manchester United 22 4 3 3 17 15 10 2 0 30 9 23 47 4 Tottenham Hotspur 25 7 3 2 21 11 6 5 2 24 14 20 47
Source: https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-table...Feb-01/todate:2020-Dec-20/type:home-and-away/
Pos | Team | P | W | D | L | F | A | GD | Pts |
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1 | Liverpool | 28 | 18 | 6 | 4 | 65 | 37 | 28 | 60 |
2 | Man Utd | 27 | 17 | 7 | 3 | 58 | 28 | 30 | 58 |
3 | Man City | 27 | 16 | 5 | 6 | 56 | 20 | 36 | 53 |
4 | Spurs | 28 | 14 | 8 | 6 | 48 | 29 | 19 | 50 |
Point still stands, though. United since Bruno is one of the two best teams in England. Thanks for correcting. I did not find a better source than TWTD.Be careful with TWTD, their tables are not always accurate. We played 14 games last season with Bruno (you might recall seeing the 9-5-0 record, that was floating around), and have played 13 this season. That's 27 games. Below is an accurate table, I didn't do home and away, sorry.
Pos Team P W D L F A GD Pts 1 Liverpool 28 18 6 4 65 37 28 60 2 Man Utd 27 17 7 3 58 28 30 58 3 Man City 27 16 5 6 56 20 36 53 4 Spurs 28 14 8 6 48 29 19 50
Very impressive. Thing is, that dip from 20-40 is exactly what I'd expect given the situation created by Ole's change in playing style in comparison to Jose's and the squad at hand. Once that got worked out, things have stabilized.I did a fairly maligned thread here a while back where I was trying to show our consistency under Ole by breaking down his tenure so far into chunks.
Because I'm a bit of a sad bastard (and Ole in) I've kept up tracking it over the course of this season and maintain that 1. we are seeing progress 2. judging him based on his overall win rate (which is actually decent now, but at the time was being used to criticise his performance) is misleading due to the catastrophic run of results from games 20-40
Win rate under Ole:
So overall we've been fairly consistent under Ole, bar that horrible run just after he became permanent, which spilled over into the start of the following season.
- 1st 20 games - 75%
- Games 20-40 - 20%!!!
- Games 40-60 - 55%
- Games 60-80 - 65%
- Games 80-100 - 60%
- Games 100-112 - 58%
Year Form (All Comps) | Games | W | D | L | CS | GF | GA | GD | Win % |
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2020 | 56 | 34 | 10 | 12 | 26 | 118 | 57 | 61 | 60.7% |
2019 | 55 | 28 | 12 | 15 | 16 | 83 | 59 | 24 | 50.9% |
2018 | 52 | 30 | 8 | 14 | 18 | 88 | 54 | 34 | 57.7% |
2017 | 66 | 39 | 17 | 10 | 34 | 117 | 44 | 73 | 59.1% |
2016 | 59 | 36 | 11 | 12 | 20 | 99 | 56 | 43 | 61.0% |
2015 | 53 | 26 | 13 | 14 | 23 | 77 | 45 | 32 | 49.1% |
2014 | 46 | 20 | 10 | 16 | 15 | 74 | 55 | 19 | 43.5% |