Gehrman
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I don't think I can refund my disc version. Would be nice since I've more or less completed it.
The trouble is if everyone does this CDPR may then not be able to release the brilliant games in which we do. There are far worse companies people should boycott.Personally think it’s poor when a company releases a broken game. Feck em.
This I agree with.The trouble is if everyone does this CDPR may then not be able to release the brilliant games in which we do. There are far worse companies people should boycott.
I would say one more delay until March/April 2021 would’ve had the game released in an acceptable state. Then they could’ve gradually improved the game over time without the backlash.So realistically, what would have been the correct and proper timeframe to release this game in its optimal state for all platforms?
Given that's 4-5 months from when it was released, and the general state of the base console versions, do you think that would have been enough time to bring them up to par? I get that tweaks and improvements to the latest consoles, and especially the PC could be implemented in that time, but the base consoles? There seems to be so much wrong there, I just wonder how long it would take to make them fully playable (not only graphically enhanced or brought up to par).I would say one more delay until March/April 2021 would’ve had the game released in an acceptable state. Then they could’ve gradually improved the game over time without the backlash.
No. in reality it needed another year at least and that's with dedicated teams. Even on PC.Given that's 4-5 months from when it was released, and the general state of the base console versions, do you think that would have been enough time to bring them up to par? I get that tweaks and improvements to the latest consoles, and especially the PC could be implemented in that time, but the base consoles? There seems to be so much wrong there, I just wonder how long it would take to make them fully playable (not only graphically enhanced or brought up to par).
4-5 months could have been enough to eliminate the major bugs and to make the game stable (so that it doesn't crash regularly on consoles). It wouldn't have been enough to make it live up to the hype, sure, but it would have been enough time to avoid the shitstorm that's happening now.No. in reality it needed another year at least and that's with dedicated teams. Even on PC.
He did say optimal state. Nah, there's no chance this game is made stable enough across all platforms in 4 months, there's just too much they've had to butcher which has largely caused the worst of the bugs. It clearly needs more than standard bug hunting, it's deeper than that. I mean look at the updates, they are introducing lots of new bugs whilst "fixing" (plastering over more like) the old ones in their haste. That often happens, but not to this level.4-5 months could have been enough to eliminate the major bugs and to make the game stable (so that it doesn't crash regularly on consoles). It wouldn't have been enough to make it live up to the hype, sure, but it would have been enough time to avoid the shitstorm that's happening now.
Hey, back in 1997, Blizzard's lead programmer gutted and re-wrote the Warcraft 2 engine for Starcraft in 2 months. Games are slightly more complex these days, sure, but 4-5 months is still a lot of time if all we're talking about is performance improvement and bug fixing.
Yeah probably not actually. The police wanted system is broken as well and spawns police right in front of you. Something like that needs a lot of work.Given that's 4-5 months from when it was released, and the general state of the base console versions, do you think that would have been enough time to bring them up to par? I get that tweaks and improvements to the latest consoles, and especially the PC could be implemented in that time, but the base consoles? There seems to be so much wrong there, I just wonder how long it would take to make them fully playable (not only graphically enhanced or brought up to par).
Personally I think it's a poor show to refund a game you've thoroughly enjoyed.
Yeah, those poor corporations.Yeah agreed. They ought to take the Steam approach whereby you're refused a refund if you've exceeded a certain numbers of hours spent in the game. If you've enjoyed it and are requesting a refund its borderline robbery tbh.
Regardless of its a corporation, a video game producer, or a small independent business it's my opinion that if you've 'thoroughly enjoyed' something you shouldn't then try to stiff them. Guess I'm just naïve.Yeah, those poor corporations.
2077.So realistically, what would have been the correct and proper timeframe to release this game in its optimal state for all platforms?
Was thinking along these lines, but given their window to capitalise off it as a multi-platform release, before the great migration starts some time next year, they essentially ran out of time due to the release of the new consoles, right? There was no out for them within the time constraints as all the disgruntled base console owners would not take kindly to a staggered release, whilst those with the more powerful machines would be dialling up the pressure for an ASAP distribution.No. in reality it needed another year at least and that's with dedicated teams. Even on PC.
As for features and to get the gameplay up to scratch, how long is a piece of string? But to get even some of the stuff they promised (individual NPC behaviour, much more in depth customisation that actually means something, car customisation) and not to mention fixing the basic gameplay issues, we are talking twice that if I'm being conservative. At this point I'll settle for decent AI and performance by the summer, but I don't even hold that much hope out tbh.
Yea, I thought so - it needs more than a few layers of paint as it's a bug-addled mess on those platforms.Yeah probably not actually. The police wanted system is broken as well and spawns police right in front of you. Something like that needs a lot of work.
Boom!2077.
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Oh well, that seems to be as likely to happen as me getting a present for Santa. CDPR are cnuts of highest order, they aren't even replying to claims for return.Someone like @Revan has a valid case to refund because the bugs made the game unplayable for him.
I think it'd take 4-5 months just to get it to the level of a regular ropy release. If you care about getting the best experience possible dont even look at it for 6 months imo. I dont think it'll ever work especially well on PS4 or equivalent, less buggy but the performance is always going to be terrible in parts.4-5 months could have been enough to eliminate the major bugs and to make the game stable (so that it doesn't crash regularly on consoles). It wouldn't have been enough to make it live up to the hype, sure, but it would have been enough time to avoid the shitstorm that's happening now.
Hey, back in 1997, Blizzard's lead programmer gutted and re-wrote the Warcraft 2 engine for Starcraft in 2 months. Games are slightly more complex these days, sure, but 4-5 months is still a lot of time if all we're talking about is performance improvement and bug fixing.
Personally I think it's a poor show to refund a game you've thoroughly enjoyed.
that's proper terrible.
Yeah agreed. They ought to take the Steam approach whereby you're refused a refund if you've exceeded a certain numbers of hours spent in the game. If you've enjoyed it and are requesting a refund its borderline robbery tbh.
What the feck am I reading? Corporation releases a broken game and does its absolute best to hide the condition of the game in order to trick people into purchasing, after years of generating hype and making absolute bullshit promises that were not even close to being delivered on, and you guys think it’s low to get a refund.This I agree with.
Playing a game, claiming to enjoy it, then taking advantage of something like this is pretty low. I'm not even refunding, and I'm not playing it at the moment until they at least fix the fecking AI to even 20 year ago's level
pretty much this. They’re absolutely cnutsPersonally think it’s poor when a company releases a broken game. Feck em.
If the game was unplayable or you didn't like it then fine, go right ahead. The poster in question pretty much finished it and claims they enjoyed the experience, so yes it would be low in that instance.What the feck am I reading? Corporation releases a broken game and does its absolute best to hide the condition of the game in order to trick people into purchasing, after years of generating hype and making absolute bullshit promises that were not even close to being delivered on, and you guys think it’s low to get a refund.
If it's that's bad then you shouldn't be spending time enjoying it.What the feck am I reading? Corporation releases a broken game and does its absolute best to hide the condition of the game in order to trick people into purchasing, after years of generating hype and making absolute bullshit promises that were not even close to being delivered on, and you guys think it’s low to get a refund.
pretty much this. They’re absolutely cnuts
What the feck am I reading? Corporation releases a broken game and does its absolute best to hide the condition of the game in order to trick people into purchasing, after years of generating hype and making absolute bullshit promises that were not even close to being delivered on, and you guys think it’s low to get a refund.
pretty much this. They’re absolutely cnuts
Oh if only you guys could actually read before getting so angry eh? You know, just a little bit of context before jumping to the most simplistic and obvious conclusionEye for an eye.
They released the game and knew well it was in a sorry state and cashed in. Don't feel any guilt about enjoying the game and cashing out on these people.
Stop sucking billionaire cock.
This seems a bit of a weird post considering you enjoy FIFAWhat the feck am I reading? Corporation releases a broken game and does its absolute best to hide the condition of the game in order to trick people into purchasing, after years of generating hype and making absolute bullshit promises that were not even close to being delivered on, and you guys think it’s low to get a refund.
pretty much this. They’re absolutely cnuts
They will be suffering as the stock price has plummeted and their reputation is in tatters. This after forcing their employees into overtime last month to try and get the game finished.Oh if only you guys could actually read before getting so angry eh? You know, just a little bit of context before jumping to the most simplistic and obvious conclusion
I've made my thoughts on both the "corp" side and people rightfully getting refunds clear.
In any case, it's not the "corp" or "billionaires" who will be suffering. Heads out of arses lads.
They certainly deserve defending over the likes of EA and Ubisoft. For one thing they actually make good games with new ideas. No micro transactions or live service either. They deserve criticism for the release but wanting the company to burn for that is ridiculous and will ultimately cost gamers in the future.Wait people are actually defending them?
Does anyone want them to burn? I haven’t read all the posts here so can only speak for myself, but I think people are well within their right to get a refund especially after the level of deception shown.They certainly deserve defending over the likes of EA and Ubisoft. For one thing they actually make good games with new ideas. No micro transactions or live service either. They deserve criticism for the release but wanting the company to burn for that is ridiculous and will ultimately cost gamers in the future.
I agree, like Bethesda used to be they deserve the chance to put this right, unlike Bethesda who released Fallout 76 hoping that the public would be as forgiving for the bugs as they were on fallout 3, Skyrim, Fallout 4 CDPR have history in getting a game right in time (the Witcher 3 for instance). Unlike EA who hardly seem to get push back for releasing FIFA legacy editions. CDPR has stated also that non expansion DLC would also be free (long before the game was released actually)They certainly deserve defending over the likes of EA and Ubisoft. For one thing they actually make good games with new ideas. No micro transactions or live service either. They deserve criticism for the release but wanting the company to burn for that is ridiculous and will ultimately cost gamers in the future.
I am sure all agree, but I know I wouldn't get a refund after playing and completing a game I really enjoyed which some people in here have said they will do. That's all people are saying isn't a great thing to do.Does anyone want them to burn? I haven’t read all the posts here so can only speak for myself, but I think people are well within their right to get a refund especially after the level of deception shown.
I’m in agreement with others here. If you put in 80 hours and enjoy the game in its current state (like I and many others have here) I don’t think you should be going and refunding. I think it’s abolsutely fair game if you have this on past gen consoles and it’s not running acceptably then sure go and refund. Its not about sucking up to corporations or “sucking billionaires dicks” as was stated above, it’s about supporting good game developers who make some exceptional games.Does anyone want them to burn? I haven’t read all the posts here so can only speak for myself, but I think people are well within their right to get a refund especially after the level of deception shown.
Exactly the deception by CDPR is the issue and deserves the criticism. Make no mistake though, this isn’t even in the same level of the anti consumerism seen in games such as Fallout 76, Anthem, Godfall, Avengers, Fifa year on year and the last few AC games which all feature huge catelogues of micro transactions. I’d still back CDPR to get Cyberpunk into a place where it’s viewed as a top top game.I agree, like Bethesda used to be they deserve the chance to put this right, unlike Bethesda who released Fallout 76 hoping that the public would be as forgiving for the bugs as they were on fallout 3, Skyrim, Fallout 4 CDPR have history in getting a game right in time (the Witcher 3 for instance). Unlike EA who hardly seem to get push back for releasing FIFA legacy editions. CDPR has stated also that non expansion DLC would also be free (long before the game was released actually)
Yeah I loathe micro transactions. Hope you’re right because the game looks like it could be great. An important lesson learned hopefully.Exactly the deception by CDPR is the issue and deserves the criticism. Make no mistake though, this isn’t even in the same level of the anti consumerism seen in games such as Fallout 76, Anthem, Godfall, Avengers, Fifa year on year and the last few AC games which all feature huge catelogues of micro transactions. I’d still back CDPR to get Cyberpunk into a place where it’s viewed as a top top game.
For what it’s worth I’ve nearly finished the game on 80 hours and I’ve never played a game like this where I’m now itching to play a second play through even before I’ve fully finished the first. It’s a quality game let down badly in afew key areas. I will likely wait for playthrough 2 down the line though just to see if they can improve it further.Yeah I loathe micro transactions. Hope you’re right because the game looks like it could be great. An important lesson learned hopefully.
I would argue that's a bit of a fake comparison though as the only reason for a game existing is the "fun". If you've enjoyed it you will put it away and possibly never play it again (even on bug free games) or if you do it will be because you really rated it. If you've completed it and loved the experience you've basically played as intended in terms of the money you supplied.If a product is defective, broken, buggy and was sold with the deliberate concealment of these issues then I fail to see the issue with refunding, regardless of the fun you've had.
I bought a pair of new walking boots, very comfy, very nice, and not cheap, that took me on a long joyous trek. At the end however, when I took them off I noticed the heel on one of them was beginning to split and the stitching was coming loose in several places. All this after less than 10 miles. I would have been a fool not to take them back for a refund despite the pleasure they had provided over those 8 or 9 hours.
If you bought the product expecting all of the broken shit above then sure it's a bit of a cheek to then refund it, or if you bought it with the intention of refunding it later. But refunding faulty/not as advertised products is basic sales of goods and services law. You are not beholden to these companies no matter how goddamn hardcore of a gamer you are. You are a customer not their friends.
I think the whole Cyperpunk element is lost on some.If a product is defective, broken, buggy and was sold with the deliberate concealment of these issues then I fail to see the issue with refunding, regardless of the fun you've had.
I bought a pair of new walking boots, very comfy, very nice, and not cheap, that took me on a long joyous trek. At the end however, when I took them off I noticed the heel on one of them was beginning to split and the stitching was coming loose in several places. All this after less than 10 miles. I would have been a fool not to take them back for a refund despite the pleasure they had provided over those 8 or 9 hours.
If you bought the product expecting all of the broken shit above then sure it's a bit of a cheek to then refund it, or if you bought it with the intention of refunding it later. But refunding faulty/not as advertised products is basic sales of goods and services law. You are not beholden to these companies no matter how goddamn hardcore of a gamer you are. You are a customer not their friends.
Though they are selling you a product and not your emotional experience to the product. If you buy a perfectly working game for all intents and purposes, and just happen to have a miserable time finishing it I don't think you should be able to get a refund simply because it's not your bag. Same with a movie ticket or music album. A faulty projector or a skipping cd should be able to get a refund.I would argue that's a bit of a fake comparison though as the only reason for a game existing is the "fun". If you've enjoyed it you will put it away and possibly never play it again (even on bug free games) or if you do it will be because you really rated it. If you've completed it and loved the experience you've basically played as intended in terms of the money you supplied.
I agree about the base consoles in that I think it is defective and mis-sold, but I doubt many of people on those consoles will be playing all the way through at the moment. In that case it's refund, wait or knowingly play through the issues.