2021 American Civil War

ThinkTank@Cafe

Full Member
Joined
Jul 3, 2019
Messages
2,389
Location
Kazakhstan
Meant voters, but your assessment of republican politician vacillation is spot on.
The problem is that an organized 10% of population can successfully seize the power. Trumpists number is much higher than 10% and it is very alarming.

The fact I’d like to highlight is that all these stupid conspiracy trends arise when the ruling elite fails to meet population expectations. It is a mass psychology phenomenon which dates back to ancient Chinese history. Communists, Hitler, Chavez, etc. The rise of populists always means the that political system is failing. Trump is a product of DC politics.
 

calodo2003

Flaming Full Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Messages
41,847
Location
Florida
The problem is that an organized 10% of population can successfully seize the power. Trumpists number is much higher than 10% and it is very alarming.

The fact I’d like to highlight is that all these stupid conspiracy trends arise when the ruling elite fails to meet population expectations. It is a mass psychology phenomenon which dates back to ancient Chinese history. Communists, Hitler, Chavez, etc. The rise of populists always means the that political system is failing. Trump is a product of DC politics.
Yep. This is nothing new, just packaged differently enough to seem unique.

Not exactly the same as what you are discussing, but some similarities...

 

ThinkTank@Cafe

Full Member
Joined
Jul 3, 2019
Messages
2,389
Location
Kazakhstan
Yep. This is nothing new, just packaged differently enough to seem unique.

Not exactly the same as what you are discussing, but some similarities...

Well worded by Sykes. A coup in “the greatest, oldest example of democracy” is truly unique. And scary.

I live in the part of the world where coups are a yearly experience. Living under a dictator is a lifetime experience.

For the progressive part of people here, America was always an example of democracy and a symbol of a better world which we will eventually reach. Nobody ever thought that America itself would turn into a dictatorship.
 

calodo2003

Flaming Full Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Messages
41,847
Location
Florida
Well worded by Sykes. A coup in “the greatest, oldest example of democracy” is truly unique. And scary.

I live in the part of the world where coups are a yearly experience. Living under a dictator is a lifetime experience.

For the progressive part of people here, America was always an example of democracy and a symbol of a better world which we will eventually reach. Nobody ever thought that America itself would turn into a dictatorship.
The blueprint is pretty clear. Just don’t think we have the political will to ensure that the blueprint no longer is effective. Not just yet, anyway.
 

Icemav

Full Member
Joined
Aug 19, 2016
Messages
1,697
America is fecked.

When that utter buffoon Trump can get such a large and rabid following, what happens when ab actualy competent and clever person of the same shady morals comes to power?
I said to my Americam mate the other day that the silver lining with Trump is that he was incompetant, imagine what Lenin would have done with this much blind support.
 

ThinkTank@Cafe

Full Member
Joined
Jul 3, 2019
Messages
2,389
Location
Kazakhstan
I said to my Americam mate the other day that the silver lining with Trump is that he was incompetant, imagine what Lenin would have done with this much blind support.
Spot on. Good Old World is much more experienced in this sort of dealings :cool:
 

utdalltheway

Sexy Beast
Joined
Aug 20, 2001
Messages
20,507
Location
SoCal, USA
Spent so much time looking at the US Capitol that I’ve just now seen that there were plenty of other protests at state capitals around the country.
Nutters. Absolute feckin nutters.
 

calodo2003

Flaming Full Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Messages
41,847
Location
Florida
Four people died today.

Will we see the same at times unhinged furor from those on the right who were all bent out of shape about Benghazi? Same death toll.
 

Vooon

Full Member
Joined
Feb 17, 2012
Messages
2,600
Location
Hal Institute for Criminally Insane Robots
Well, my prediction yesterday that this might lead to Trump actually being removed from office looks a bit more probable now doesn't it? It might still be a long shot, but even Republicans are calling for it.
 

Icemav

Full Member
Joined
Aug 19, 2016
Messages
1,697
Absolutely insane. Trump should be prosecuted and sent down after this. This is his doing. 4 years of radicalisation.
I agree. He has incited civil unrest and domestic terrorism. He should jailed imo. Trump has being living according to a different set of rules and norms throughout his presidency. There should be severe consequences for him and other politicians for their actions since the Presidential election. The writing has been on the wall but they carried on with reckless abandon. Its treasoness.
 

Melbourne Red

Still hasn't given Rain Dog another chance
Joined
Feb 21, 2002
Messages
10,893
Location
Melbourne
Supports
Liverpool
I think anybody with a brain understands. All i'll say is, i'd imagine there is more than a few who have walked those halls with the flag inked on their skin. Many Reps who embraced everything wrong with which that flag stood for.
There is that
 

Carolina Red

Moderator
Staff
Joined
Nov 7, 2015
Messages
36,430
Location
South Carolina
I think anybody with a brain understands. All i'll say is, i'd imagine there is more than a few who have walked those halls with the flag inked on their skin. Many Reps who embraced everything wrong with which that flag stood for.
Yeah I can’t argue with that
 

Carolina Red

Moderator
Staff
Joined
Nov 7, 2015
Messages
36,430
Location
South Carolina
For 4 years of that war, and for many years after, that flag never entered the capitol, until now. Historic in a fecked up way
Yep. I can’t really explain how much of my life I’ve spent studying that war. It is what got me into history when I was a child, so it’s always been my history hobby area even when I was studying other time periods for actual academic pursuits... I guess that is why it turns my stomach so badly. It’s a “that’s not supposed to be there... too many people died for that to be there“ feeling.
 

InfiniteBoredom

Full Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2013
Messages
13,670
Location
Melbourne
Yep. I can’t really explain how much of my life I’ve spent studying that war. It is what got me into history when I was a child, so it’s always been my history hobby area even when I was studying other time periods for actual academic pursuits... I guess that is why it turns my stomach so badly. It’s a “that’s not supposed to be there... too many people died for that to be there“ feeling.
Also the first time since 1814 that the US Gov surrendered the Capitol.

Y’all Qaeda = HM Navy confirmed.
 

WPMUFC

Full Member
Joined
Jul 9, 2013
Messages
9,657
Location
Australia
Can you believe that this shit is still going, all because Republicans simply believe democrats winning an election is illegitimate. The entire party needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history. This is a disgrace.
 

InfiniteBoredom

Full Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2013
Messages
13,670
Location
Melbourne
Can you believe that this shit is still going, all because Republicans simply believe democrats winning an election is illegitimate. The entire party needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history. This is a disgrace.
Yet they are poised to regain Congress in 2022 and win back the Presidency in 2024.

Fascism will rule in America.
 

InfiniteBoredom

Full Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2013
Messages
13,670
Location
Melbourne
2022 senate map favors the Democrats. Who knows how House will go though.
I wouldn’t say they are favoured. NV, NH, AZ and GA are all tough turf to defend unless you get a big turnout (D+6 and above). Meanwhile, FL, PA, NC, WI are tough seats to go after, even if they are battleground states, especially with population trend. In WI for instance, Tony Evers won with sth like 20k vote in 2018 in a D+9 national environment.

It’s a slightly lean GOP map imo. Of course things are subjected to changes, but looking at past D midterm performances they don’t exactly fill you with confidence.