I apologise Ole!

[patty123]

Sure. He essentially gutted the institutional memory of the best club in England. For a manager that has never won a trophy, and has never managed anything like a club of our size, it was an absolutely idiotic move. Could at least have kept them around to see how we have done things at United throughout the Fergie years.

Seems obvious to me.

Thanks, but that doesn't answer the question.

As all I take from your answer and no disrespect intended, but the highlighted bit is just well, sentimental stuff and a want and need to hold on to something that was gone, as yes he won jack shit, but the way some go on about keeping the latest of AF staff, it is like it was down to them winning and not AF.

You say he should have kept them to learn how things were do in AF time, but his time was gone and lets be honest, there was no one set way during the last yrs of AF, as he tended too set up based on who we were playing and the damage they could do and whilst we won the league he last year here, it was hardly the AF style of the 90's we watched that season.

 

[DSG]

I think a lot of fans (I'm not referring to you here BTW) often confuse tactics with preferred style of play. Guardiola is the only working manager that I would describe as an outright tactical genius. He raised the bar in a way that few others ever have.

Ole wont get credit from a lot of people because he doesn't choose to play with a high press, and this is currently fashionable amongst those who believe that its the only way to win matches (the OTT praise for Hassenhutl is a great example of this). IMO to be a strong tactician you don't have to have a team that looks like Peps do, but you do need to build a team that are proficient in implementing your preferred style of play, and Ole is currently doing that as well as anybody, even despite the fact that he probably doesn't yet have the complete squad that he would like.

Hassenhutl a genius? Wow, I suppose that since you can set your team up to approximate/copy geggenpressing, that now makes him a genius? Nagelsmann too, I suppose? Let’s add Tuchel as well... Pochettino too.

Look, I believe that we throw around “genius” too often. Guardiola stole much of his philosophy from Cruyff and Bielsa. He still hasn’t won a Champions League title without Messi. If we are going to call him a tactical genius, shouldn’t he at least reach half the non Messi CL titles of Mourinho (Porto, Inter)? Look, Pep is a GREAT manager, and he probably is a tactical genius. He gave us the ultimate tool — the tactical foul in the opponent’s 18 yard box!

Seriously though, probably only Klopp and Pep and Mourinho are the only tactical geniuses in this era. SAF wasn’t a tactical genius, but he was still the greatest manager ever.

There is absolutely nothing Ole has done to suggest his tactical knowledge will hold him back. In fact, other than this season, his record against top 6 and top clubs has been pretty good, and on many occasion he’s come out with formations or tactics that have you scratching your head, but after watching, you see why.

The Caf is obsessed with “tactics”, mostly because we all style ourselves as football managers. I would say that there are two qualities that are at least as important, if not more important than tactical nous. First, communicating the gameplan to ensure execution. Second, picking the right players to execute that game plan. SAF was unparalleled in those two areas.

 

[Eriku]

Thanks, but that doesn't answer the question.

As all I take from your answer and no disrespect intended, but the highlighted bit is just well, sentimental stuff and a want and need to hold on to something that was gone, as yes he won jack shit, but the way some go on about keeping the latest of AF staff, it is like it was down to them winning and not AF.

You say he should have kept them to learn how things were do in AF time, but his time was gone and lets be honest, there was no one set way during the last yrs of AF, as he tended too set up based on who we were playing and the damage they could do and whilst we won the league he last year here, it was hardly the AF style of the 90's we watched that season.

Heh, it’s not about sentimentality, it’s about knowing what it’s like to be a well-oiled machine. Moyes could have phased them out after an initial period where he familiarised himself with the way of running things that had served Fergie so well.

You can call that nothing, but if you’ve worked in an organization and see just how much can get lost if you change up too quick, you wouldn’t blow it off.

 

[GoldTrafford99]

It's all luck @romufc!!

What I don't get is surely Ole is one of the Managers that uses tactics the most. He's always switching systems and formations to cope with the opponent. It's not like he has one tactic and system and lets the opponent worry about stopping us, he has United be reactive and fluid. Given the results he's got in the last year that would indicate that he and the staff are actually very good at tactics and strategy.

He has outsmarted

Klopp
Mourinho
Guardiola
Bielsa
Pochetinho
Nagglesman
Ancelotti
....

All these 'world class' managers.

He has literally been a student of the sport from when he was playing, He studied the game. Took notes in training sessions. Took notes on the bench. Studied. Studied. Studied the game. Did his badges at age 37.

Yet... a couple guys with silly names on an internet forum don't think he has a football philosophy.

I personally see a similar philosophy in Ole that a guy who used to manage United called Alex once had. Which was to be a pragmatic attacker. He will nullify the opposition's best team and expose their weaknesses to attack. Which means every game; game to game, is a slightly different approach. That guy Alex went on to win 13 Premier League titles in the space of 20 years. I shit you not.

I mean, how can there be people silly enough to think Ole Gunnar - OF ALL PEOPLE - doesn't have a football philosophy? We literally know for certain that he has been studying the game whilst still being involved in the game. Fergie has shared plenty of stories about how Ole used to ask him for his training notes after sessions.

Ole Gunnar has been studying football lo

He has no system and style is the narrative.

Like you said, we use different systems, some people make it out as if Ole wakes up and says today we play 4-4-2 diamond, these are the starting positions, do what you want on the pitch.

Klopp is a very good manager, in the run Liverpool have had, he has not changed his tactic one bit, its the same thing over and over again.

United when they were going through trouble, we changed tactics to suit the players we have and to nullify the opponent.

Can you imagine the uproar if we did what Liverpool did and our RB was bullied all game ? people on here would be going mental on how he is naive.. how can he not see the problem on the wings etc...

All these 'world class' managers.
He has literally been a student of the sport from when he was playing, He studied the game. Took notes in training sessions. Took notes on the bench. Studied. Studied. Studied the game. Did his badges at age 37.
Yet... a couple guys with silly names on an internet forum don't think he has a football philosophy.
I personally see a similar philosophy in Ole that a guy who used to manage United called Alex once had. Which was to be a pragmatic attacker. He will nullify the opposition's best team and expose their weaknesses to attack. Which means every game; game to game, is a slightly different approach. That guy Alex went on to win 13 Premier League titles in the space of 20 years. I shit you not.
I mean, how can there be people silly enough to think Ole Gunnar - OF ALL PEOPLE - doesn't have a football philosophy? We literally know for certain that he has been studying the game whilst still being involved in the game. Fergie has shared plenty of stories about how Ole used to ask him for his training notes after sessions.
Ole Gunnar has been studying football longer than these gobshites talking about him not having a philosophy have been 'supporting' Manchester United.

 

[76side]

Lets see Ole work his magic these next 45 minutes, we are absolutely dreadful tonight, just can't get going or play a forward ball.

 

[Bubz27]

A good Ole run coming to an end. I've read this book before

 

[Guy Incognito]

You knew the form would dip the moment Chelsea changed their manager.

 

[dal]

Has everyone apologised too soon

 

[mu4c_20le]

I apologize for apologizing.

 

[KomodoBadger]

Yep. Ole needs to get the feck out right now

 

[SAFMUTD]

He has outsmarted

Klopp
Mourinho
Guardiola
Bielsa
Pochetinho
Nagglesman
Ancelotti
....

Winning against them doesnt necesarily mean he outsmarted them.

Under that logic then he's been outsmarted by the poorest managers as well.

 

[Hammerfell]

What a shock!

 

[Zlatan 7]

Yep. Ole needs to get the feck out right now

It’s started already

 

[DRM]

Back where we belong. Top 4 challenge baby

 

[PoTMS]

Well done Ole. He's done better than I thought he would but I was never truly convinced by him. This result is another hammer blow to my confidence in him just like the Leipzig result. In truth, he's just a bang average manager with a great squad of players.

 

[DarkXaero]

Being fraud title contenders for a bit fooled so many people

 

[Berbaclass]

Title contenders

 

[groovyalbert]

Aaaaand with that, it's basically wiped out all the progress we've made in the league since December.

Still love Ole though

 

[Barthez]

321

Everyone wants him out again!

couldn’t make it up

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Why now? We were awful against Leicester, Wolves. Burnley, Liverpool, Fulham and today. Difference was we managed to score a goal and win. Our performances leave a lot to be desired.

 

[Real Name]

Aaaaand they're back.

 

[edgecutter]

The comparisons to other top managers has been some of the most stupid shite I have read here for some time. Ole hasn't even got a cup final to his name (in a top league) never mind actually winning anything of note.

 

[izec]

Too early to apologise, as i said. Top 4 is the best we can hope for with him

 

[kitress]

How do you lose to the bottom of the league when you're supposed to be in the title chase? i laul.

 

[Theafonis]

I love this game

 

[Shark]

321

Everyone wants him out again!

couldn’t make it up

I don't want him out but not exactly sure he's the way forward either. You just can't lose a game like this at home against SU with the recourses he has on the field and bench. It's not the first time we've looked on the up and full of confidence under him either only to put in a shocker and bottle it. But anyway onwards and hopefully upwards, we can still recover from this.

 

[Roboc7]

It was always too early to apologise, just as it is to stick knife in now, this season it’s a fine line between being top and not even being in top four. I suspect this will be start of a poor run for us now and it’ll be back to a top four battle.

Players were shocking tonight but how Ole just sits there and allows that to play out in front of him tonight is beyond me.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Why was Tuanzebe played instead of Bailly and Linda?

And why wont he make a substitution until its too late?

 

[McGrathsipan]

It was always too early to apologise, just as it is to stick knife in now, this season it’s a fine line between being top and not even being in top four. I suspect this will be start of a poor run for us now and it’ll be back to a top four battle.

Players were shocking tonight but how Ole just sits there and allows that to play out in front of him tonight is beyond me.

The line up was shocking. We have better options while still rotating

 

[Garethw]

Wait until the end of the season before even considering a contract extension for him.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Why was Tuanzebe played instead of Bailly and Linda?

And why wont he make a substitution until its too late?

Bailly supposedly picking a knock/bruise. Linda rested or his back injury still relevant.

The old problem returns and kicks United's arse, again and again.

 

[Poborsky's hair]

How do you lose to the bottom of the league when you're supposed to be in the title chase? i laul.

If we unluckily lost while playing great football creating chances after chances then I'd be okay with that but he's an absolute clown to play such line up and with that tactics. I knew this would happen, so clear to see because obviously coaching is just at chapmionship level, literally never seen a team who would press more horribly than us and be saved by individual brilliance game after game. The problem is when your individually brilliant players stop performing.

The worst thing is him being unable to motivate his players, possible number one thing of every manager in the world. I am calling it first here. We will be stuck with him for another two/three seasons playing top 4 bringing money in the stash and be completely rolled over by Liverpool, City and perhaps fight forever with Chelsea and Leicester. Rodgers might be a bit of a weirdo but he's a much better manager then Ole. Doesn't need 5, 6 world class players to challenge. Can youimagine Steve Bruce do worse with such players at disposal? We have such talented players at disposal peaking or before their peak and we can't make the most of them because we have no structure of play, no system.

Wish we hired Pochettino when we still had time, now we will be just about good enough to get top 4 but far from winning a title run in a never endingcircle, when manager because of his talented squad just about makes it to a new contract. Squad building is one thing. Being a manager and a coach is another. Let's move him to a DOF after a mutual consent and hire someone who we deserve. after 8 horrible years wasting so much talent and money.

 

[berbasloth4]

can hardly blame ole for that. again too many players downing tools. its happened for the last 7 years players playing when they want we have changed managers 2 of which are two of the best managers in the world and still the same. need to get more honest players in who will work harder and perform every game not just when suits them

 

[Wilt]

Wait until the end of the season before even considering a contract extension for him.

I’d want to see how he got on next season (Xmas) before thinking about any contract extension

 

[Bubz27]

I’d want to see how he got on next season (Xmas) before thinking about any contract extension

But what if other big clubs start circling and try to take him on a free?

 

[Garethw]

I’d want to see how he got on next season (Xmas) before thinking about any contract extension

i don’t want him to get an extension at all. There was a report a few weeks back saying that Woodward wanted to open contract talks with him.

 

[Wilt]

But what if other big clubs start circling and try to take him on a free?

 

[Still ill]

Well look, I was disappointed with that but it does seem to have made a lot of you happy so every cloud etc.

 

[Garethw]

can hardly blame ole for that. again too many players downing tools. its happened for the last 7 years players playing when they want we have changed managers 2 of which are two of the best managers in the world and still the same. need to get more honest players in who will work harder and perform every game not just when suits them

He is the manager and has to take responsibility for that.

 

[Reapersoul20]

Are the responses to this authentic, or are there actually this many mentally challenged people posting on the caf ?