This is sadly true and now that people can't spout this bile at work the go on social media where they anonymous and spout it there.
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That may be true in the UK, but I assume most of that racist abuse comes from everywhere in the world. Will be really hard to call on the police for someone in south america or asia. Twitter can ban accounts but they'll just make up new ones, the feckers hide behind anonymus accounts anyway. They dont even have the balls to post that from their personal accounts, so not much of use either.
Can hardly expect any countries police to waste huge amounts of time and resources tracking down twitter posters when 99% of them wouldn't even be in that country.
It's the social media companies job to ban accounts but even they cant stop anyone who is really motivated, enough to change their IP, make another new account and post again.
It's the social media companies job to ban accounts but even they cant stop anyone who is really motivated, enough to change their IP, make another new account and post again.
No it would not be that hard to go after these bastards if they were serious about stopping it, get after them through Interpol who operates in 194 countries worldwide including those two continents you name.
The reality is they are being seen though. Everyone, including unfortunately the twitter racists themselves, already know that. The distinction you're drawing between social media and the real world just doesn't exist and we can't ignore it as a cloistered world that has no bearing on people's lives. There's myriad issues with social media, and I wish we could put the genie back in the bottle, but it is unfortunately a part of our real world and abuse on it can be just as harmful as if it occurred in the stadium.
I wouldn't know how prevalent it is as I steer clear of the toxic mess that is social media,. I do believe that the club should show support for player that have been racially abused though.
Seriously? using interpol to look for racist on the internet? What would you charge them with? a $50 euro penalty fee? is a discusting thing but it doesnt deserve imprisonment.
I dont agree with the bolded part. Easy way to solve it? disallow coments on the pictures. Done. Why dont they do it? because they like/need the interaction, obviously they dont want the shit part that comes with it, but the fact that they choose not to close it tells everything about it not being so severe after all. Not saying its ok, its not, just saying is not a really hard to stop it if you really want.
Agree completely. Problem with the internet though is that it’s global. These “people” abusing Martial and Tuanzebe could be from all over the place, whose jurisdiction would they fall under? It’s like you would need a UN-type organisation to regulate the internet, or an internet equivalent of the Paris climate deal, forcing these companies to operate, by law, in a way to stamp this out otherwise face significant fines along the same lines of GDPR.
Again?
That's Ashley Young, Pogba, Martial and Tuanzabe in the last few years. I think the message is pretty clear - if you're a black footballer, you'll have a rougher ride from our fanbase.
That's Ashley Young, Pogba, Martial and Tuanzabe in the last few years. I think the message is pretty clear - if you're a black footballer, you'll have a rougher ride from our fanbase.
You can not agree with it all you want, but there's plenty of examples of players talking about how harmful online abuse has been to their mental health. It's out there and, like all of us, players are on social media. I'm not sure it's smart for anyone to be on social media, but I don't see why footballers should be expected not to be on it because a bunch of cnuts can't express their frustration without racially abusing people. The problem is the racists; not the fact footballers use social media.
Theres, a mindless load of idiots on social media, I honestly cannot understand what they get out of it, vent your anger if you want but theres no need to abuse anyone. Sadly were still a long way off in that regard. Times supposedly have changed . These people need serious education in these matters.
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Earlier this week in the Pogba thread quite a few forum members were arguing there is no problem with racism towards our players.
Life comes at you fast.
Life comes at you fast.
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I completely agree with you, all I was saying is that they expose themselves to that pieces of shit by being on social media. Like we all do, obviously they get plenty more abuse but it comes with the package. Again not saying its ok, just saying I dont think it shouldnt be that much of a problem for them. Of course you can take it like Demba Ba and make a whole deal about it or like Dani Alves take the banana eat it and laugh.
I think Alves' way is more inteligent.
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That’s not to say they represent the entire fan base however, or the club itself. I’m sure the club would make it clear they aren’t welcome.
I’d argue they might actually not be fans - why would you abuse your own players?
This place is tone deaf to it. Someone remarks race may play a role in anything on here & it’s walls up.
It’s tempting to @ them for the pennies worth on this but I’ve had 2 warnings on here now, both came in Pogba threads where I was being contrary to the assumptive nonsense people were spouting. It’s clear there’s a narrative on here for certain club employees but people will continue to deny it.
It doesn’t have to be a ‘significant chunk’ or a very small minority; the fact remains society is full of racists & the fanbase is made up of society members - it doesn’t take an Einstein to conclude there will be racists throughout the fanbase.
A forum member had his first hand stories about the racism he has heard in & around OT dismissed in a thread earlier this week.
It’s telling the simple notion that some fans may not like a player based on race is incomprehensible for some people on this board.
I’m not reading through all of this, but is this abuse from our own ‘fanbase’ or from oppo fans?
doesn’t make it better or worse for the players - but it’s if they are ‘United’ fans, it’s shameful to be associated to these morons.
doesn’t make it better or worse for the players - but it’s if they are ‘United’ fans, it’s shameful to be associated to these morons.
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I don't think it matters at this stage, as I'm sure when I've sat in OT I've probably been a few seats away from people who feel like that anyway.
It's really sad to see this happen. Be critical of them as players all you want but being critical for any reason related to who they are is absolutely disgusting!
I get abuse regularly online too and I do think as a nation we are becoming far less tolerant of intolerance.
I just hope one day we'll get to a place where crap like racial abuse along with sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism and ageism are resigned to a few basement dwellers who know they can't express their views in public.
I get abuse regularly online too and I do think as a nation we are becoming far less tolerant of intolerance.
I just hope one day we'll get to a place where crap like racial abuse along with sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism and ageism are resigned to a few basement dwellers who know they can't express their views in public.
Have to say, I found that exchange quite eye-opening.
Think one of the first responses to the post that kicked it off was "I don't see color when I look at a footballer, and I'm sure it's the same for most fans". How oblivious do you have to be to come out with that in the year 2021!
Because, social media already has too much personal information about us and our lives. An ID is the last thing anyone would want to willingly provide to them.
Then there is also this problem of their servers being in a different nation which means different laws govern how the ID can be used.
Yeah this is what I was getting at really. It's treated as incomprehensible, when it really is anything but.
Did I say they represent the entire fanbase? Read my post again. The first thing everyone ever says when something like this happens is "Oh they can't be fans of our club" as if it's impossible for there to be racist United fans.
Fans abuse our own players all the time. Do you remember the guy that confronted Pogba in Jose's time here? The social media abuse that Lingard and Young used to constantly get? For racists, these taunts are just as valid for them as calling the players crap.
You're basically proving my point here, in trying to find some justification other than saying that racist United fans exist.
It’s not about justification of anything. You’ve rather put words in my mouth there, which I’d rather you didn’t.
I have no doubt that there are people who hold racist views, who claim to be United supporters. My point is that as a fan base, and as a club we should very clearly distance ourselves from these views and these people, which I think is what is meant by most when using such phrases. For example, ‘You’re not a real United supporter because you have views and beliefs that go against the moral fabric of the club‘, or ‘These people can’t (as in we won’t allow) be United supporters because we don’t want there hate associated with our club’.
As for abuse there is a yawning great chasm between saying a player is terrible (however aggressively it is phrased) and racial abuse. One is part and parcel of the game, and I think to a large extent accepted by the players themselves. The other is absolutely unacceptable and should be driven out of society let alone our game.
One of them read: "Tell your f****** husband, boyfriend or whatever to get tf out of Manchester or we're gonna get him killed.
"You guys should get tf out or put your life and family's (your kid & Martial) life in danger."
There was also further racist abuse, along with one message which simply repeated a number of times: "F*** your Husband."
Tony's other half just released this, wow that is some seriously fecked up shit and these bastards need to be found and charged and dont want hear, oh dont know who they are, chase their fecking ip address as while they could change it while on twatter etc, doesn't twatter required phone number as well to sign up ?
"You guys should get tf out or put your life and family's (your kid & Martial) life in danger."
There was also further racist abuse, along with one message which simply repeated a number of times: "F*** your Husband."
Tony's other half just released this, wow that is some seriously fecked up shit and these bastards need to be found and charged and dont want hear, oh dont know who they are, chase their fecking ip address as while they could change it while on twatter etc, doesn't twatter required phone number as well to sign up ?
Rashford's turn to be racially abused by some of our so called fans.
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What a surprise. Social contagion exists. The media know this - hence the reporting restrictions on things like suicide. It's irresponsible, as well as unhelpful for society, for them to blow up troll tweets from 6 people half the world away.
Starve them of oxygen. It's quite literally scientifically proven - as linked earlier in the thread - to be the only thing that actually reduces these incidences. The media have no interest in that of course. I could get even more cynical about this issue, away from the media aspect...but what's the point.
Edit - Oh great. Big United fan accounts implying or even outright accusing Rashford's PR of lying to increase his column inches, because Twitter search facility brings up no racial abuse towards him...I work in the PR industry, so I'm naturally cynical because it is a thing - but ffs, your own fans?
Starve them of oxygen. It's quite literally scientifically proven - as linked earlier in the thread - to be the only thing that actually reduces these incidences. The media have no interest in that of course. I could get even more cynical about this issue, away from the media aspect...but what's the point.
Edit - Oh great. Big United fan accounts implying or even outright accusing Rashford's PR of lying to increase his column inches, because Twitter search facility brings up no racial abuse towards him...I work in the PR industry, so I'm naturally cynical because it is a thing - but ffs, your own fans?
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Rashford is the latest United player to come in for racial abuse.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...chester-united-marcus-rashford-abuse-19737139
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...chester-united-marcus-rashford-abuse-19737139
Never understood why twitter and these social media platforms dont insist on either your passport number or identity number when creating an account, then have criminal proceedings initiated against these morons.
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Well done to young Marcus. I don't know how he stays classy in the face of this crap.
As mixed race person my blood boils at this shite. I get racism in subtle ways and the anger I feel.... I cannot imagine having deal with it on a public level as well.
I say again, our players need to take a break or come off of these social media platforms completely.
As a black, brown or whatever other mixture or colour you are, you know if you don't 100% perform, nothing good you did before counts, you will get jumped on. There is no leeway for us.
As mixed race person my blood boils at this shite. I get racism in subtle ways and the anger I feel.... I cannot imagine having deal with it on a public level as well.
I say again, our players need to take a break or come off of these social media platforms completely.
As a black, brown or whatever other mixture or colour you are, you know if you don't 100% perform, nothing good you did before counts, you will get jumped on. There is no leeway for us.
Social media at it’s worst, young lad still but just gets it.
You’ll never rid hatred from these social networks, doesn’t have to be racist, it’s just pure hatred towards everything and everyone, because everyone is tough and brave behind a keyboard.
The majority of trolls just do it for the reactions and as another poster mentioned above, the best thing to do is to starve them of oxygen, the more publicity, the more they do it.
You say that but at the same time we also know that players like Darren Gibson have been bullied off social media. I think it has nothing to do with colour of skin and everything to do with trolls desperately trying to hurt people and get reactions.
Phil Jones another who gets absolutely annihilated on social media.
The social media companies are a bloody disgrace. They absolutely have the 'tech' or know-how to ban these people off their platforms, but they won't do it. They are evil.
And let the idiots win? Feck that.
Social media is a huge stain on humanity for sure.