Explain how you mean by doesn’t affect us? Have we got an injury crisis? Did we lose our main goal threat for the season. Or do you mean there is still time for us to have issues in the season and therefore full off further away from the top?For what reason do you think that this season will only have an affect on Liverpool and city but not United???????
Do you honestly believe that everything going on will only affect some teams but not United and we should be expected to carry on as normal.
I don’t get your point on Atletico but you’re chatting shit so that doesn’t me
No those expectations are realistic relative to where we found ourselves. Thats such a lazy argument you have put forward. It doesnt take into account whats been going on. There has very clearly been improvement from where we were when Mourinho was here and even from last season. If the improvements keep happening then we can rightly expect to be in the mix for the title next season.The expectations have really dropped at this club. Imagine this line of thinking at Bayern, Barca, Real...
What improvements? Mourinho came second and won trophies.No those expectations are realistic relative to where we found ourselves. Thats such a lazy argument you have put forward. It doesnt take into account whats been going on. There has very clearly been improvement from where we were when Mourinho was here and even from last season. If the improvements keep happening then we can rightly expect to be in the mix for the title next season.
We haven’t lost any of our players or had an injury crisis. We just don’t have a good enough squad or first XI for anything above 3rd, IMO.Explain how you mean by doesn’t affect us? Have we got an injury crisis? Did we lose our main goal threat for the season. Or do you mean there is still time for us to have issues in the season and therefore full off further away from the top?
Atletico are currently top of La Liga but have the third best time. Based on your analogy I was just abit confused to how they did it.
Deserve got nothing to do with it. It's his time, that's all.We haven’t lost any of our players or had an injury crisis. We just don’t have a good enough squad or first XI for anything above 3rd, IMO.
we may also be being hampered by Ole but that’s beside the point. He deserves his place where he is currently because of what he’s done so far.
like I said, we won’t win the league with him but he doesn’t deserve to be sacked. Yet. Obviously, you disagree and you have different expectations. Different expectations that I think are too high.
Time will tell. Ole deserves that time
I didn’t make any analogy. You brought Atletico in to it,
Mourinho bored us shitless, left behind an unhappy squad and a bad taste in everyones mouth. Improvements over last season are clear for everyone to see except of course all the drama queens who have made their mind up that Ole isnt good enough and spin everything to fit that agenda. We are far more entertaining to watch for a start, Mourinhos football was the worst in my 50 or so years of following Utd, worse even than Dave Sextons team, we have seen incremental improvements in the squad and its clearly a work in progress. There have been improvements in the patterns of play, improvements in set pieces. We are a long way from the finished article but I feel we are much closer to it than under any of the three previous managers. We had 3 previous managers who had us playing utterly dire football in terms of entertainment and excitement. This side has bad days but are still more entertaining than the previous three. There is more to Utd than just grinding out trophy wins. The people who cant see the improvements dont want to see improvements.What improvements? Mourinho came second and won trophies.
Was today’s football good? I hate this Ole plays good football crap. We got about 4 good games every 3 months. So excuse me if I’ve got an agenda because everytime we play a big 6 team we play not to lose (risk adverse). Do we pass the ball as good as an LVG side? No. Do we score more goals than a Jose side? no. So what exactly are you seeing that makes you so optimistic about this football except for your gut feels better.Mourinho bored us shitless, left behind an unhappy squad and a bad taste in everyones mouth. Improvements over last season are clear for everyone to see except of course all the drama queens who have made their mind up that Ole isnt good enough and spin everything to fit that agenda. We are far more entertaining to watch for a start, Mourinhos football was the worst in my 50 or so years of following Utd, worse even than Dave Sextons team, we have seen incremental improvements in the squad and its clearly a work in progress. There have been improvements in the patterns of play, improvements in set pieces. We are a long way from the finished article but I feel we are much closer to it than under any of the three previous managers. We had 3 previous managers who had us playing utterly dire football in terms of entertainment and excitement. This side has bad days but are still more entertaining than the previous three. There is more to Utd than just grinding out trophy wins. The people who cant see the improvements dont want to see improvements.
well said. It’s not like we’ve thrown a load of money at it and now have a divine right to challenge. We have the 3rd best squad on paper and that’s about where we will finish. Ole can only manage what he’s got and he’s doing well. The squad clearly like him, we just need a little bit more fight and creativity brought in. Diallo is going to do well for us if Ole has the stones to use him. The few problems I have with Ole. I don’t always agree with his selections and his substitution game leaves something to be desired. He seems to nearly always play it safe even when it’s not working. He doesn’t really capitalise on players minutes then either. James comes in does well not seen again for a month. Mata was good when he came in. Not been seen for months. I mean mata isn’t the answer but he was good when he played this season and then gone. VDB in for a really important game against Liverpool. Dropped then against the mighty Sheffield United when Bruno has looked dead the last few games. Playing Matic and Pogba together anymore should be a criminal offence. They both stand off way too much and let the other team build up too much momentum. Just stuff like that. I like that Fergie is probably more involved while Ole is around. I’m much more confident that we will eventually build a winning team again with Ole than with any other manager post Fergie. It does feel like we are still 2/3 key signings away from being complete. I don’t know if we are going to be splashing the cash much so it may take quite a while yet!Mourinho bored us shitless, left behind an unhappy squad and a bad taste in everyones mouth. Improvements over last season are clear for everyone to see except of course all the drama queens who have made their mind up that Ole isnt good enough and spin everything to fit that agenda. We are far more entertaining to watch for a start, Mourinhos football was the worst in my 50 or so years of following Utd, worse even than Dave Sextons team, we have seen incremental improvements in the squad and its clearly a work in progress. There have been improvements in the patterns of play, improvements in set pieces. We are a long way from the finished article but I feel we are much closer to it than under any of the three previous managers. We had 3 previous managers who had us playing utterly dire football in terms of entertainment and excitement. This side has bad days but are still more entertaining than the previous three. There is more to Utd than just grinding out trophy wins. The people who cant see the improvements dont want to see improvements.
You are joking. Mourinhos and LVGs football was horrendous, we were awful. Sideways passing from those two doesnt equal better passing. Todays game was against a team that had 16 points out of its last 18 and we were away from home. The problems right now are a drop in form from our attackers. Im seeing an improving Squad, Bruno is an improvement, we have Henderson back and since he came back DDG has lifted his game a bit. I have watched Lindelof get better, he doesnt look like a liability, Shaw is on a good run of form too. We certainly get the ball forward faster than the previous two managers. The team is playing much better than it was last season under Ole, we have had some awful games but mostly we are doing better. Are we improving? Yes, are we growing a better squad? yes, do we need to get better at certain things, Yes. Do we bore the shit out of me the way LVG and Mourinho did? NO. Everyone has said we are a team in transition, a work in progress. Are we better than last season? Yes, absolutely. Are we yet good enough to win the title, No but we are headed in the right direction.Was today’s football good? I hate this Ole plays good football crap. We got about 4 good games every 3 months. So excuse me if I’ve got an agenda because everytime we play a big 6 team we play not to lose (risk adverse). Do we pass the ball as good as an LVG side? No. Do we score more goals than a Jose side? no. So what exactly are you seeing that makes you so optimistic about this football except for your gut feels better.
It doesn’t take two years to show a style of football. I said our football is boring and not much better than the previous managers. You just gave me a list of individuals playing well and said we move the ball faster. We had good counter attacks under Mourinho too.You are joking. Mourinhos and LVGs football was horrendous, we were awful. Sideways passing from those two doesnt equal better passing. Todays game was against a team that had 16 points out of its last 18 and we were away from home. The problems right now are a drop in form from our attackers. Im seeing an improving Squad, Bruno is an improvement, we have Henderson back and since he came back DDG has lifted his game a bit. I have watched Lindelof get better, he doesnt look like a liability, Shaw is on a good run of form too. We certainly get the ball forward faster than the previous two managers. The team is playing much better than it was last season under Ole, we have had some awful games but mostly we are doing better. Are we improving? Yes, are we growing a better squad? yes, do we need to get better at certain things, Yes. Do we bore the shit out of me the way LVG and Mourinho did? NO. Everyone has said we are a team in transition, a work in progress. Are we better than last season? Yes, absolutely. Are we yet good enough to win the title, No but we are headed in the right direction.
I never said we were a good footballing side. I think we are improving but along the way we have seen 2 steps forward and one step back. We are a work in progress and I see progress.It doesn’t take two years to show a style of football. I said our football is boring and not much better than the previous managers. You just gave me a list of individuals playing well and said we move the ball faster. We had good counter attacks under Mourinho too.
We haven’t played any style of football that resembled Ole’s first 5 games in charge when he didn’t play with a double pivot. Like I said other than that the football has still remained dire.
You said you enjoyed his football but was quick to say his football was better than last season. So did you enjoy last season but enjoy this seasons abit more?
We might be more enjoyable to watch than Jose or LVG.. but we are far from a good footballing side.
This isn't a pro Mourinho post but more a 'lets actually look at the facts' post.Mourinho bored us shitless, left behind an unhappy squad and a bad taste in everyones mouth. Improvements over last season are clear for everyone to see except of course all the drama queens who have made their mind up that Ole isnt good enough and spin everything to fit that agenda. We are far more entertaining to watch for a start, Mourinhos football was the worst in my 50 or so years of following Utd, worse even than Dave Sextons team, we have seen incremental improvements in the squad and its clearly a work in progress. There have been improvements in the patterns of play, improvements in set pieces. We are a long way from the finished article but I feel we are much closer to it than under any of the three previous managers. We had 3 previous managers who had us playing utterly dire football in terms of entertainment and excitement. This side has bad days but are still more entertaining than the previous three. There is more to Utd than just grinding out trophy wins. The people who cant see the improvements dont want to see improvements.
Ew why you talking about Mourinho with stats..This isn't a pro Mourinho post but more a 'lets actually look at the facts' post.
I agree that Mourinho left an unhappy squad and a generally bad mood around the club. The improvements claims however are factually incorrect. If you judge it by all statistical metrics we haven't improved from the best Mourinho delivered here. However we have improved from Mourinhos last season here.
You mentioned there have been improvements in set pieces? This factually incorrect.
See below - Premier League only
Ole - 20/21 - Scored 5 Conceded 8
Ole - 19/20 Scored 8 Conceded 11
Jose - 17/18 Scored 14 Conceded 10
Jose - 16/17 Scored 7 Conceded 7
What these stats show is that we're conceding more and scoring less from set pieces than we did under Mourinhos best season. Our set piece work at the moment is actually very mediocre and I don't see the improvement you speak of. Everybody knows how to trouble United from a set piece, chuck it near post or in the six yard box right under De Gea.
Mourinho was in charge for 144 games we scored 244 goals
Ole has been in charge for 123 games we have scored 223 goals
There isn't much difference there but I'd expect Ole will be ahead by between 10-15 goals when he reaches 144 games. So an improvement but in all honesty both totals are quite pathetic for where we need to be.
Mourinho won the Europa League, League Cup and finished runners up in the PL with 81 points and runners up in the FA Cup.
Ole hasn't won anything yet, nor got to a final.
Trophy wise it isn't better, league performance wise it isn't better, goals scored we've seen a marginal improvement.
Style of play is of course subjective, but again I think it's not entirely correct to suggest there's been a remarkable improvement in our play and that Mourinho 'bored us shitless' for three years. During the 2016/2017 period, we had a very good period between I'd say November and February where we played very well and people on here were happy with the chances we were creating.
At the start of the 2017/2018 season for about 6/7 games we were also pretty good. The rest of the time it was the same unimpressive United which we've seen for most of Ole's reign and most of van Gaal's reign.
Under Ole we had a great spell before lockdown and just after lockdown which in total was probably about a dozen games and of course his first 3/4 games in charge as caretaker. Apart from that though for the rest of his 100 games I'd say the football has been bog standard and this improvement in 'patterns of play' you speak of are very minimal.
I genuinely think people on here who sit there saying they enjoy watching Uniteds football and that its attacking and progressive are either liars or whack jobs. Our football is actually quite grotesque a lot of the time. I see better standard in the Championship at clubs like Brentford and Norwich. But this has been going on since the van Gaal days so you're almost numb to it.
The disjointed pressing, the lack of overloads, the poor set piece defending, the mismatch of a defensive line and poor decision making in the final third are an ongoing problem. We're good at long shots, one twos, counter attacking and at occasionally playing a compact defensive tactic. Is this sustainable for long term success? absolutely not.
I think its ironic that you said "spin everything to fit that agenda". I think that is what you have done. I think saying Ole is better for United right now than Mourinho is a fair point and I think most on here will agree we'd rather Ole than Mourinho but this pretending that we've massively improved is just plain false. I think the biggest improvement is the morale around the club and the belief within the squad but unfortunately morale and belief doesn't equal goals, good football or trophies. Now if you're happy for United to finish between 3rd and 6th every season and get to a few semis than that's great for you but the rest of us would like an actual attempt at returning to former glories and its not a case of 'pretending to not see improvements'.
I think much of what you have written is spinThis isn't a pro Mourinho post but more a 'lets actually look at the facts' post.
I agree that Mourinho left an unhappy squad and a generally bad mood around the club. The improvements claims however are factually incorrect. If you judge it by all statistical metrics we haven't improved from the best Mourinho delivered here. However we have improved from Mourinhos last season here.
You mentioned there have been improvements in set pieces? This factually incorrect.
See below - Premier League only
Ole - 20/21 - Scored 5 Conceded 8
Ole - 19/20 Scored 8 Conceded 11
Jose - 17/18 Scored 14 Conceded 10
Jose - 16/17 Scored 7 Conceded 7
What these stats show is that we're conceding more and scoring less from set pieces than we did under Mourinhos best season. Our set piece work at the moment is actually very mediocre and I don't see the improvement you speak of. Everybody knows how to trouble United from a set piece, chuck it near post or in the six yard box right under De Gea.
Mourinho was in charge for 144 games we scored 244 goals
Ole has been in charge for 123 games we have scored 223 goals
There isn't much difference there but I'd expect Ole will be ahead by between 10-15 goals when he reaches 144 games. So an improvement but in all honesty both totals are quite pathetic for where we need to be.
Mourinho won the Europa League, League Cup and finished runners up in the PL with 81 points and runners up in the FA Cup.
Ole hasn't won anything yet, nor got to a final.
Trophy wise it isn't better, league performance wise it isn't better, goals scored we've seen a marginal improvement.
Style of play is of course subjective, but again I think it's not entirely correct to suggest there's been a remarkable improvement in our play and that Mourinho 'bored us shitless' for three years. During the 2016/2017 period, we had a very good period between I'd say November and February where we played very well and people on here were happy with the chances we were creating.
At the start of the 2017/2018 season for about 6/7 games we were also pretty good. The rest of the time it was the same unimpressive United which we've seen for most of Ole's reign and most of van Gaal's reign.
Under Ole we had a great spell before lockdown and just after lockdown which in total was probably about a dozen games and of course his first 3/4 games in charge as caretaker. Apart from that though for the rest of his 100 games I'd say the football has been bog standard and this improvement in 'patterns of play' you speak of are very minimal.
I genuinely think people on here who sit there saying they enjoy watching Uniteds football and that its attacking and progressive are either liars or whack jobs. Our football is actually quite grotesque a lot of the time. I see better standard in the Championship at clubs like Brentford and Norwich. But this has been going on since the van Gaal days so you're almost numb to it.
The disjointed pressing, the lack of overloads, the poor set piece defending, the mismatch of a defensive line and poor decision making in the final third are an ongoing problem. We're good at long shots, one twos, counter attacking and at occasionally playing a compact defensive tactic. Is this sustainable for long term success? absolutely not.
I think its ironic that you said "spin everything to fit that agenda". I think that is what you have done. I think saying Ole is better for United right now than Mourinho is a fair point and I think most on here will agree we'd rather Ole than Mourinho but this pretending that we've massively improved is just plain false. I think the biggest improvement is the morale around the club and the belief within the squad but unfortunately morale and belief doesn't equal goals, good football or trophies. Now if you're happy for United to finish between 3rd and 6th every season and get to a few semis than that's great for you but the rest of us would like an actual attempt at returning to former glories and its not a case of 'pretending to not see improvements'.
Seconded.This isn't a pro Mourinho post but more a 'lets actually look at the facts' post.
I agree that Mourinho left an unhappy squad and a generally bad mood around the club. The improvements claims however are factually incorrect. If you judge it by all statistical metrics we haven't improved from the best Mourinho delivered here. However we have improved from Mourinhos last season here.
You mentioned there have been improvements in set pieces? This factually incorrect.
See below - Premier League only
Ole - 20/21 - Scored 5 Conceded 8
Ole - 19/20 Scored 8 Conceded 11
Jose - 17/18 Scored 14 Conceded 10
Jose - 16/17 Scored 7 Conceded 7
What these stats show is that we're conceding more and scoring less from set pieces than we did under Mourinhos best season. Our set piece work at the moment is actually very mediocre and I don't see the improvement you speak of. Everybody knows how to trouble United from a set piece, chuck it near post or in the six yard box right under De Gea.
Mourinho was in charge for 144 games we scored 244 goals
Ole has been in charge for 123 games we have scored 223 goals
There isn't much difference there but I'd expect Ole will be ahead by between 10-15 goals when he reaches 144 games. So an improvement but in all honesty both totals are quite pathetic for where we need to be.
Mourinho won the Europa League, League Cup and finished runners up in the PL with 81 points and runners up in the FA Cup.
Ole hasn't won anything yet, nor got to a final.
Trophy wise it isn't better, league performance wise it isn't better, goals scored we've seen a marginal improvement.
Style of play is of course subjective, but again I think it's not entirely correct to suggest there's been a remarkable improvement in our play and that Mourinho 'bored us shitless' for three years. During the 2016/2017 period, we had a very good period between I'd say November and February where we played very well and people on here were happy with the chances we were creating.
At the start of the 2017/2018 season for about 6/7 games we were also pretty good. The rest of the time it was the same unimpressive United which we've seen for most of Ole's reign and most of van Gaal's reign.
Under Ole we had a great spell before lockdown and just after lockdown which in total was probably about a dozen games and of course his first 3/4 games in charge as caretaker. Apart from that though for the rest of his 100 games I'd say the football has been bog standard and this improvement in 'patterns of play' you speak of are very minimal.
I genuinely think people on here who sit there saying they enjoy watching Uniteds football and that its attacking and progressive are either liars or whack jobs. Our football is actually quite grotesque a lot of the time. I see better standard in the Championship at clubs like Brentford and Norwich. But this has been going on since the van Gaal days so you're almost numb to it.
The disjointed pressing, the lack of overloads, the poor set piece defending, the mismatch of a defensive line and poor decision making in the final third are an ongoing problem. We're good at long shots, one twos, counter attacking and at occasionally playing a compact defensive tactic. Is this sustainable for long term success? absolutely not.
I think its ironic that you said "spin everything to fit that agenda". I think that is what you have done. I think saying Ole is better for United right now than Mourinho is a fair point and I think most on here will agree we'd rather Ole than Mourinho but this pretending that we've massively improved is just plain false. I think the biggest improvement is the morale around the club and the belief within the squad but unfortunately morale and belief doesn't equal goals, good football or trophies. Now if you're happy for United to finish between 3rd and 6th every season and get to a few semis than that's great for you but the rest of us would like an actual attempt at returning to former glories and its not a case of 'pretending to not see improvements'.
Great post.This isn't a pro Mourinho post but more a 'lets actually look at the facts' post.
I agree that Mourinho left an unhappy squad and a generally bad mood around the club. The improvements claims however are factually incorrect. If you judge it by all statistical metrics we haven't improved from the best Mourinho delivered here. However we have improved from Mourinhos last season here.
You mentioned there have been improvements in set pieces? This factually incorrect.
See below - Premier League only
Ole - 20/21 - Scored 5 Conceded 8
Ole - 19/20 Scored 8 Conceded 11
Jose - 17/18 Scored 14 Conceded 10
Jose - 16/17 Scored 7 Conceded 7
What these stats show is that we're conceding more and scoring less from set pieces than we did under Mourinhos best season. Our set piece work at the moment is actually very mediocre and I don't see the improvement you speak of. Everybody knows how to trouble United from a set piece, chuck it near post or in the six yard box right under De Gea.
Mourinho was in charge for 144 games we scored 244 goals
Ole has been in charge for 123 games we have scored 223 goals
There isn't much difference there but I'd expect Ole will be ahead by between 10-15 goals when he reaches 144 games. So an improvement but in all honesty both totals are quite pathetic for where we need to be.
Mourinho won the Europa League, League Cup and finished runners up in the PL with 81 points and runners up in the FA Cup.
Ole hasn't won anything yet, nor got to a final.
Trophy wise it isn't better, league performance wise it isn't better, goals scored we've seen a marginal improvement.
Style of play is of course subjective, but again I think it's not entirely correct to suggest there's been a remarkable improvement in our play and that Mourinho 'bored us shitless' for three years. During the 2016/2017 period, we had a very good period between I'd say November and February where we played very well and people on here were happy with the chances we were creating.
At the start of the 2017/2018 season for about 6/7 games we were also pretty good. The rest of the time it was the same unimpressive United which we've seen for most of Ole's reign and most of van Gaal's reign.
Under Ole we had a great spell before lockdown and just after lockdown which in total was probably about a dozen games and of course his first 3/4 games in charge as caretaker. Apart from that though for the rest of his 100 games I'd say the football has been bog standard and this improvement in 'patterns of play' you speak of are very minimal.
I genuinely think people on here who sit there saying they enjoy watching Uniteds football and that its attacking and progressive are either liars or whack jobs. Our football is actually quite grotesque a lot of the time. I see better standard in the Championship at clubs like Brentford and Norwich. But this has been going on since the van Gaal days so you're almost numb to it.
The disjointed pressing, the lack of overloads, the poor set piece defending, the mismatch of a defensive line and poor decision making in the final third are an ongoing problem. We're good at long shots, one twos, counter attacking and at occasionally playing a compact defensive tactic. Is this sustainable for long term success? absolutely not.
I think its ironic that you said "spin everything to fit that agenda". I think that is what you have done. I think saying Ole is better for United right now than Mourinho is a fair point and I think most on here will agree we'd rather Ole than Mourinho but this pretending that we've massively improved is just plain false. I think the biggest improvement is the morale around the club and the belief within the squad but unfortunately morale and belief doesn't equal goals, good football or trophies. Now if you're happy for United to finish between 3rd and 6th every season and get to a few semis than that's great for you but the rest of us would like an actual attempt at returning to former glories and its not a case of 'pretending to not see improvements'.
Well Ole's football bores me shitless. We create sod all chances in a game. I would of expected our attack to be at least cohesive after 2 and a half years of Ole being here.Mourinho bored us shitless, left behind an unhappy squad and a bad taste in everyones mouth. Improvements over last season are clear for everyone to see except of course all the drama queens who have made their mind up that Ole isnt good enough and spin everything to fit that agenda. We are far more entertaining to watch for a start, Mourinhos football was the worst in my 50 or so years of following Utd, worse even than Dave Sextons team, we have seen incremental improvements in the squad and its clearly a work in progress. There have been improvements in the patterns of play, improvements in set pieces. We are a long way from the finished article but I feel we are much closer to it than under any of the three previous managers. We had 3 previous managers who had us playing utterly dire football in terms of entertainment and excitement. This side has bad days but are still more entertaining than the previous three. There is more to Utd than just grinding out trophy wins. The people who cant see the improvements dont want to see improvements.
Well sorry but if Ole's football is better it's only slightly. It's still boring and our attack is disjointed. Have we ever consistently peppered an opponents goal and created loads of chances in a significant number of games? I can't recall any bar the Leeds United game this season. But Leeds United played into our hands. I can't stand this narrative of Ole's football is good to watch when it clearly isn't.You are joking. Mourinhos and LVGs football was horrendous, we were awful. Sideways passing from those two doesnt equal better passing. Todays game was against a team that had 16 points out of its last 18 and we were away from home. The problems right now are a drop in form from our attackers. Im seeing an improving Squad, Bruno is an improvement, we have Henderson back and since he came back DDG has lifted his game a bit. I have watched Lindelof get better, he doesnt look like a liability, Shaw is on a good run of form too. We certainly get the ball forward faster than the previous two managers. The team is playing much better than it was last season under Ole, we have had some awful games but mostly we are doing better. Are we improving? Yes, are we growing a better squad? yes, do we need to get better at certain things, Yes. Do we bore the shit out of me the way LVG and Mourinho did? NO. Everyone has said we are a team in transition, a work in progress. Are we better than last season? Yes, absolutely. Are we yet good enough to win the title, No but we are headed in the right direction.
Jose left an unhappy and unbalanced squad. He is like a fuse, burning out in 2-3 years, whatever club he is at.Great post.
Said everything I have wanted to say. The only area where we have undoubtedly improved from under Mourinho is "Squad Harmony". Over Oles tenure I haven't seen enough to suggest that our football has improved. Results wise we haven't topped 81 points and second (yet). And of course no trophies won.
I think alot think that Ole has done some great turnaround job from when he took over but I would argue that he took over a team that finished 2nd place 6 months prior and that was having a bad season. That team wasn't terrible but it had lost confidence in it's manager who had to go.
Since then we've done alright, not great as many would believe but alright. We'll have to wait until the end of the season to judge but another 3rd-4th place finish with no trophy would again be an 'alright' season. No marked improvement over the previous manager.
He has had 2 and a half years to do this. I expect at least a decent improvement. But we are only slightly/minimally better than when Jose Mourinho left. Plus he has hardly given Donny Van De Beek who is a more attack minded midfielder a chance. It shouldn't take 2 and a half years to see decent improvement. How much more time do you give him.Jose left an unhappy and unbalanced squad. He is like a fuse, burning out in 2-3 years, whatever club he is at.
His style of play is boring, but I admit effective in cup competitions.
However, Ole is still having to fix the squad imbalances left by LVG and Jose. Something Jose failed to address.
I think we need to be careful using the bolded around bad results given what happened in the game before this one.You are joking. Mourinhos and LVGs football was horrendous, we were awful. Sideways passing from those two doesnt equal better passing. Todays game was against a team that had 16 points out of its last 18 and we were away from home. The problems right now are a drop in form from our attackers. Im seeing an improving Squad, Bruno is an improvement, we have Henderson back and since he came back DDG has lifted his game a bit. I have watched Lindelof get better, he doesnt look like a liability, Shaw is on a good run of form too. We certainly get the ball forward faster than the previous two managers. The team is playing much better than it was last season under Ole, we have had some awful games but mostly we are doing better. Are we improving? Yes, are we growing a better squad? yes, do we need to get better at certain things, Yes. Do we bore the shit out of me the way LVG and Mourinho did? NO. Everyone has said we are a team in transition, a work in progress. Are we better than last season? Yes, absolutely. Are we yet good enough to win the title, No but we are headed in the right direction.
So why are you debating with me? I said our football is rubbish and you agree.I never said we were a good footballing side. I think we are improving but along the way we have seen 2 steps forward and one step back. We are a work in progress and I see progress.
My post wasn't praising mourinho just looking at if there has been any progress since Ole has taken over. Many times I have been watching us play under Ole and have been wondering whether Jose was still in the dugout because it has been that boring and poor.Jose left an unhappy and unbalanced squad. He is like a fuse, burning out in 2-3 years, whatever club he is at.
His style of play is boring, but I admit effective in cup competitions.
However, Ole is still having to fix the squad imbalances left by LVG and Jose. Something Jose failed to address.
I dont agree that our football is rubbish. I think its a work in progress and there has been progress. Thats a good question, why am I debating with you because it really is pointless given your lack of comprehension skills.So why are you debating with me? I said our football is rubbish and you agree.
I’m dyslexic but thanks.I dont agree that our football is rubbish. I think its a work in progress and there has been progress. Thats a good question, why am I debating with you because it really is pointless given your lack of comprehension skills.
Our main attacking options are Martial and Rashford, two players who are the definition of inconsistent, Greenwood who’s in his second season, and... Cavani. Shock horror our attack has been average a lot recently.He has been here 2 and a half years and our attack is still average.
Well that is the beauty of the EPL, it is not always the same one or two teams that win over the years.......The expectations have really dropped at this club. Imagine this line of thinking at Bayern, Barca, Real...
meIf we finish top 4 but trophyless, who will be content with giving him another season?
I 100% agree that everything about the club is more positive than it was under Mourinho (although we do need a trophy as soon as possible). My concern is about the rate of progress. It's coming up to three years since Ole took over and lots of the same questions still remain. I think he was shafted by some degree in the summer by not getting another forward player as we've been relying on Rashford since he was 18 and now Greenwood which I don't think is conducive to winning the most competitive league title in the world, but I can't help but feel uneasy about our overall approach to games. We play really well in moments and really bad in moments. There's such a lack of control in just about every single game we play and you can see that in the amount of goals we win games by, typically just the 1. We're lacking that little bit extra that makes good teams into great teams and I think it's fair enough if people remain slightly sceptical about whether or not Ole has the credentials to take us there. Every single United fan would love nothing more than for him to do it, though (I'm sure there are some dicks that might actively want him to fail - I'm not counting them as genuine United fans rather weirdos with an agenda).I dont agree that our football is rubbish. I think its a work in progress and there has been progress. Thats a good question, why am I debating with you because it really is pointless given your lack of comprehension skills.
Me, but then we'd need to be challenging all the way in the league and make a really good account of ourselves in the CL. Basically, be one of the best and most consistent teams in England.If we finish top 4 but trophyless, who will be content with giving him another season?
his time????Deserve got nothing to do with it. It's his time, that's all.
Who wins except United (well a long time ago now), City, and Chelsea? Yes, Liverpool and Leicester have won it ONCE in the last 30 years. You could argue that Atletico, Real, and Barca win in Spain, so not that much different, is it?Well that is the beauty of the EPL, it is not always the same one or two teams that win over the years.......
