Donald wasn't part of an argument, I simply shared who I thought was the current best player. And Pitchers don't get extra points for being pitchers even though you are not winning in the post season without an ace, it's by far the most important position group which is my point.
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Obviously every position is going to have its own rational, always referenced key stats. QBs have their four or five (Yards, TDs, ratings, completions, INTs etc). RBs will have their own, as will receivers, as will DBs.
As for the second part, yes football is a team sport where a player's success depends on the team's success, which is why you have to bring in how successful the team they played on were during their time there (aka "rings"). You can also take an interpretavist approach to this by asking how QB x would fare if they were on team y instead of team x (what if Marino played on the 49ers, or what if Brady played his career on the Bengals etc).
Yep fully agree. But if you dare to question the status of Brady you’re just labelled a biased hater.
This guy gets it. Nuance.
Oh my Bengals. Always so crap except for those two times in the 80s. 
The answer would be yes, Donald has outside linebacker stats as a 3-4 D lineman. He faces double teams 70% of the time which is the highest and still has the highest pass rush win rate, teams went as far as triple teaming him. He is in a league of his own among pass rushers.
Donald should be in that discussion with Randy & Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Deacon Jones, Bob Lilly, Joe Greene, Allan Page, and a few others as the best DL ever.
It's not just about last night though , Brady at 43 just won the SB with a team that didn't make the playoffs last season . He did it in a season with no preseason & reduced practice time for players while beating Brees ,Rodgers and Mahomes on the way in the playoffs. This is one of his biggest achievements 19 years after his first SB .
These are hypotheticals though. I wouldn't try to shoehorn Brady into the Saints or Brees into the Pats as part of the GOAT equation since those things didn't happen. The only things you can go by are what actually took place.
There isn't a single hypothetical in my post. Brees has better stats in most QB oriented stats and the Patriots defenses and special teams have been considerably better than the Saints defenses and special teams. I didn't ask you to swap them, I simply used stats as you suggested and Brady loses in most outside of rings, TDs and interceptions.
Also, running such plays only work if your defense can get the necessary stops at the other end. If not, it is kinda pointless.
I believe Brady and Brees are fairly even on stats, but one has many more rings. The reasons why various teammates or coaches they had over the years is not (imo) applicable since the QBs had no say in who they play with. Brady joined a fairly average Pats team with a losing record in 2000 and proceeded to win 3 Super Bowls in 4 years. They literally became good when he replaced Bledsoe, at which point he got 3 rings by the age of 26 which is more than Brees got his entire career - irrespective of who had the better defenses over the past two decades.
Compare this to the likes of Rodgers getting to throw to Davante Adams(the only WR he trusts), MVS(MVP of drops), Allen Lazard, Mercedes Lewis, Tonyan, etc. It doesn't even come close to a fair comparison tbh.
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Spent the day randomly punching the air and laughing that the Bucs have an all time 288-438-1 record, with 2 of those wins being Super Bowl ass whoopings.
You asked for QB stats and now you want to ignore them for something that isn't QB oriented, wins aren't a QB stat. As far as I'm concern you can name Brady as the best QB and use the rings in his favor but if you use stats and give context to the none QB stats then his status is arguable, I'm not saying that he isn't the best but simply stating the fact that there is a conversation when we are talking about actual quaterbacking without the intangibles and jewelries.
If I'm not mistaken the conversation is statiscally between Brees, Brady and Rodgers. I personally won't got further than that because you could refine some of these stats and I'm fine with any of them being the arguable best.
Or you could watch them play for fifteen minutes and realise Brady is nowhere close to Marino/Mahomes/Rodgers
Another tidbit from last night: the Jags drafted Leonard Fournette at 4, and are so bad now they’re drafting first. 3 years later he was off the team and the Bucs picked him up on the cheap prior to winning it all.
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It's worth mentioning that the RB replacing him is undrafted and managed to have more yards per attempt than Fournette has ever managed in the NFL, he also rushed for more than 1000 yards.
AB seems to have rebounded nicely after the debacle with the Raiders.
Wait, are people still discussing whether or not Brady is the greatest of all time?
I don't think this will be the best thread in next awards. (Or the NFL 2021). This certainly isn't GOAT thread at least!
Yes. Apparently there’s a legitimate debate about this topic.
What a horrendous post . Nowhere close it seems
Of course. Remind me how many INT did he throw compared to Rodgers?
Well maybe Rodgers isn't likeable enough for people to want to play with him . You forget the fact that for years Brady played & won with some very average receivers
Well, there’s a debate. Not sure about its legitimacy.
Because he can't scramble
Also, Brees and Rodgers have stats as well.
To the best of my knowledge, La Canfora is nearly always wrong. If he says something is happening, usually the opposite outcome ends up happening.
They have got to do a better job of running the ball. In fact it was so surprising to see them not do much on Sunday.
Gronk had retired for a year. AB was out of the game, and not the same AB. Fournette was cut by the Jags. Not really an all pro offense. And he threw what 2-3 passes to his best receiver?
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Are you saying it makes no difference? Also, I forgot to add Mike Evans and Godwin.
@altodevil is that guy on History Channel that keeps harping about ancient aliens hoping others will side with him.
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RIP, Mr. Regular Season.
That's Playoffs data, correct? Looks a bit different to the regular season version below.For those who subscribe to advanced metrics
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That's correct, the one I posted is for the playoffs (see week 18-21)
The one you've shared is averaged rank which is misleading.
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