James McClean: 'Does being abused for being Irish and anti Irish abuse acceptable?'
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No my experience isn't as important as Mccleans. Oh wait, I thought all forms of discrimination are unacceptable?
Ironically you've just made the exact point I made with my initial post about Mcclean drawing comparisons about his own experience and those of ethnic minorities for which taking the knee started.
I’ve always wondered why the British decided to occupy nations and lands that don’t belong to them and then act like the victims of their expansions have a choice in not being a part of their feckery.
What's the answer then?Yes was waiting on this one
I'm sure he would appreciate their Orange order kit.
Mate he is receiving abuse though, much of it based around his nationality and background, sectarian and Anti-Irish in nature. Surely you see that?
You claim McClean is an idiot for comparing the abuse he receives to the abuse ethnic minorities who have suffered far worse receive. You then compare being called a sheep shagger because you are Welsh to the abuse Irish people have received and continue to. Tell me mate who do you think has had it far worse over the past century or so the Irish or the Welsh? Just saying.
For the record all type of abuse is wrong even the stuff you've said you were on the end of. But this isn't an oppression competition, all this abuse anyone receives based on their Race/Religion/Ethnicity/Gender/Nationality etc. is wrong and should be stamped out. It should be unacceptable to good reasonable members of society regardless of whether or not you or I think the guy on the receiving end of it is a bit of an idiot/dick/plonker.
What it means is that the type of anti-Irish abuse and tropes that McClean has been subjected to have historically been utilized by British authorities in order to rationalize a series of policies which have proved to be majorly destructive to the Irish nation. And are still held on to by some whose aim is to continue to deny legitimate Irish nationalist claims to an equal share in the politics of Northern Ireland today.
It is in that sense that parallels may be drawn with the type of abuse leveled at other minorities, although every case obviously has its own dynamic and degree of severity. The contrast with Welsh history should be obvious, although I get the feeling it’ll have to be spelled out to you.
Kneeling down behind sheep, eh pal?
No it's clear as day. The same way I pointed out that Mcclean's abuse contrasts massively to that of ethnic minorities.
It seems the point I made in my original post is being used against me ironically.
Is anybody noticing my racial oppression here!?
We feck them and you eat them pal
There's a reason lamb is the tastiest meat.
You are right there isn't much they can do but how about if they simply acknowledged the sectarian/anti-Irish abuse he receives and stated publicly that it is wrong?
That might be a start, because he obviously feels they are turning a blind eye to it..
I don't understand this.
For clarity I'm Northern Irish, I am protestant and have close friends that are both catholic and protestant.
Some catholic friends are nationalist others are not.
My wife is catholic.
This is completely normal in Northern Ireland.
If I had a real problem with Ireland (which I don't) I certainly wouldn't make a choice to go and work and live there.
That's my point, and this is not a go at James McLean, it's an observation and I'm genuinely interested in the answer.
You've always wondered why people who live in a region of a country left in shit state after occupation, oppression and subsequent neglect, chose to move to another area within the same country to better their lives?
The Brits want to be able to go around invading places and calling them their own, but then when the savages from those places they love bragging about owning decide that being a part of Britain should mean they can move around and make something of themselves, they're hypocrites?
Talk about having your cake and fecking eating it.
Given that I’ve literally just explained to you how the dynamic of the abuse McClean receives is comparable (please note - this does not mean “is the exact same”) to that received by other minorities in a way that abuse received by the Welsh is not, I believe you’ve missed the point entirely.
My comparison was sarcastic, to prove the point that it did.
Everybody was quick to point out that my personal experience of genuine discrimination pales in comparison to Mccleans. It does. And so does his to the cause he's calling out and the FA.
Yeah no doubt.
Is he wrong to ask the FA to do more about the abuse he receives though?
That's your opinion, not mine.
Mcclean brings a lot of attention from idiots by doing things like wearing a balaclava whilst teaching his kids online. How does that compare to say Rashford or Tuenzebe being called disgusting, vile racist names with monkey emoji's etc for simply making a mistake on a football pitch? It doesn't.
Is anybody noticing my racial oppression here!?
We feck them and you eat them pal
There's a reason lamb is the tastiest meat.
“You can really taste the Welshman’s’ jizz.”
He can ask, but what can they do? They aren't 'doing' anything now, the players are taking the knee themselves. Give me one example of what they can do.
Personally if I did the balaclava thing after already taking the stance on poppies I'd fully expect a shitstorm of vile abuse coming my way. Not because I think it's acceptable (not in the slightest) but because that is the world we live in and I don't believe for one second he didn't know what he was doing and what reaction that photo would spark.
So if Rashford or Tuanzebe posted a picture that some people found politically distasteful online. Then it would be ok for people to racially abuse them then? Or would it still be wrong?
For the record he was getting abused long before he posted a picture of himself with a balaclava.
I have they could do more to support him publicly at the very least.
No I didn't make the same point and if you had a clue you'd realise that.
The picture was posted as a joke in response to all the abuse he was being subjected to. The only ones offended were those who could give the abuse but couldn't take a joke.
When all the abuse he gets includes him being called an irish this and fenian that then he is clearly getting abuse for being irish
You missed where I said it was still unacceptable for anybody to abuse him, even after the balaclava incident. What I said was, it's a different scenario, one in which he's publicly drawing the attention of online idiots.
And it was more the a mere politically distasteful picture, he was pretending to teach his children dressed as though he's in the IRA. With all the needless upset that brings to many people and the potential to reignite trouble. It was idiotic in every sense of the word and every bit as disgusting as somebody sending a racist message to somebody online.
I'm sure all the racists online could use try to use a similar excuse. It was 100% unacceptable.
On a separate note, who actually owns a feckin balaclava anyway ffs?
Probably but he just gave people ammunition to justify the abuse he receives, it was obvious it would be twisted idiots.
And there no doubt would have been some who lost people in the Troubles who were genuinely offended.
I think it the answer is to address the points brought up in the OP and not try and distract from difficult questions with whataboutism.
This thread is incredible for all the wrong reasons
I didn't mate even though it was in a different post.
Whether or not he drew attention to himself. The abuse he receives is still wrong. Everyone can make their own judgements on which type of abuse is worse but he is being abused and he's not wrong for shining a light on it.
I'm sure you'll know that lots of groups wore balaclavas mate not just the IRA.
Balaclavas were worn by wrongdoers on both sides. They were also worn by legitimate soldiers for fear of British soldiers persecuting and butchering their families if they recognised them.
There have been plenty of atrocities carried out by people wearing British military uniforms but you rarely see the same arguments levelled against the parades of people wearing those uniforms celebrating British military history every year.
There have been plenty of atrocities carried out by people wearing British military uniforms but you rarely see the same arguments levelled against the parades of people wearing those uniforms celebrating British military history every year.
The balaclava incident was idiotic, and clearly offensive to some people. Whether it was intended as a joke or not doesn’t matter.
He doesn’t come across as someone who is particularly smart - that doesn’t mean he should be abused. However, he given Twitter people ammunition (ironic choice of phrase), who jumped on it.
the state of online abuse doesn’t seem to be going anywhere, I am not sure anyone really seems to care - it seems to have just become the norm.
He doesn’t come across as someone who is particularly smart - that doesn’t mean he should be abused. However, he given Twitter people ammunition (ironic choice of phrase), who jumped on it.
the state of online abuse doesn’t seem to be going anywhere, I am not sure anyone really seems to care - it seems to have just become the norm.
If he hates England so much, why play his trade there? Perfectly good Irish league to play in, I say this knowing how much hate certain Republicans have for the English, yes with good reason, but why even put yourself in such a position if you feel that way?
Bloody hell
What makes you think he hates England?
I think he received ammunition literally. Post cards. Stuff goes way beyond Twitter. Basically same as Lenon. Maybe both are aren’t to some people tastes but completely unforgivable behaviour.
I don’t think he hates England. I mean he probably has a lot of English friends and team mates. Big difference between not wearing a poppy and having republican views.
madness.
I assume its due to pragmatic advantages/necessities, opportunities and quality of life.
For example I dislike certain elements of London culture/business/institutions/people, but I still moved there in my early 20s (from a small city in England). Is it much different to me if someone moves to London for the same reasons as me, but they move from across a bit of water? I didn't change my attitude towards London after moving there, likewise I wouldn't expect an Irish person to change their attitude towards Britain after moving to Britain.
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