Zlatan tells LeBron James to stay out of politics...

[Maticmaker]

Politics affects everyone, so everyone should have a right to speak out if they wish. However that supposed 'freedom of speech' element, is now proscribed if people are inciting violence or urging hatred, etc. So maybe Zlatan is warning against people in the public eye making mistakes in what they say, or really they don't know what they are talking about and others might use their words to e.g. incite violence or hatred?

When celebrities use their position 'for good', or are seen to be speak out for those who cannot, or from their own experience, (like Rashford) then it is perceived to be OK , often though when they are seen to be taking sides, which is often the case in politics, you have to wonder what the benefits are?
I often think that when celebrities, who appear not to have a 'dog in the race', starting shouting the odds, or calling people out, on specifics it often looks like they are mainly concerned about self-promotion, perhaps this is what Zlatan is doing?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

LeBron responds: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...s-zlatan-ibrahimovic-no-way-ever-stick-sports

Really a bizarre shot by Zlatan all things considered.

Comes across better than Zlatan which isn't a surprise to be fair.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

If somethings a basic human right, then that's because of politics. There was a time not that long ago when the notiok of basic human rights for all humans didn't exist. It was politics that changed that position.

This argument against someone involving themselves in 'politics' smacks of the creep towards authoritarianism that many societies are experiencing, with politicians using it as cover to push their predominately nationalist agendas...eg the farmers protests in India

Absolutely

 

[calodo2003]

This is just a gussied up version of ‘shut up
& dribble,’ this will unfortunately be given more credence by many as it’s not coming from a purely political point of view.

It’s as asinine a take as Lawrence Ingraham had.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Logical? Well, what on earth are you doing here then
.

Trying to get you to be so, of course.

It's not a no-go zone for me or Zlatan?

His interview and your human rights Vs politics argument which doesn't seem very relevant, would suggest so.

I really quite honestly haven't expressed any opinion or even shared his except that I don't think feeding kids is politics per se, that I think its a basic human right.
This is what most of the UN agrees on, hence the WFP. Zlatan's taken a stand for it, Rashford has taken a stand for it, etc. It's really beside the topic here except for the OP.

I could post previous quotes from the man himself wading into politics here in Sweden. I don't know what particular topic this was in response to or what caused the reaction and neither do you.

I think that the interviewer should've followed up on it but didn't because it generates more conversation and more attention.

fecksake this has been explained numerous times already. To affect change you often have to influence/deal with politicians. It's why activism and politics are closely linked.

So Ibrahimovic wades into political matters? Makes his comments even stranger

 

[Ajr]

They should fund it themselves IF they care about it so much.

So they shouldn't take a stand or comment on anything unless they put funds to it?

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Said it before. If non-politicians should stay out of politics then politicians should stay out of economics, law making, social programs, and leave it up to civil servants to make decisions.

 

[DoomSlayer]

The obvious answer to why middle class people don't want to listen to what LeBron James cares about is not a pleasant one.

Jealousy? That's the easiest cop out when discussing situations like this.

 

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[NotThatSoph]

Jealousy? That's the easiest cop out when discussing situations like this.

No, obviously not jealousy.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Said it before. If non-politicians should stay out of politics then politicians should stay out of economics, law making, social programs, and leave it up to civil servants to make decisions.

Well put

 

[SwedishFish]

Trying to get you to be so, of course.


His interview and your human rights Vs politics argument which doesn't seem very relevant, would suggest so.


fecksake this has been explained numerous times already. To affect change you often have to influence/deal with politicians. It's why activism and politics are closely linked.

So Ibrahimovic wades into political matters? Makes his comments even stranger

Sure, because its not specified what he refers to.

But the type of matters that you consider political, like human rights, he's waded into that a number of times.

Party politics? Not so much.

 

[DoomSlayer]

No, obviously not jealousy.

So what is it, racism? Are only "middle-class people" susceptible to being racist? Are there only white people in the middle class, or do we just generalise the whole category, regardless of their race or ethnicity, and say most of them have certain feelings and opinions due to being racist?

 

[NotThatSoph]

So what is it, racism? Are only "middle-class people" susceptible to being racist? Are there only white people in the middle class, or do we just generalise the whole category, regardless of their race or ethnicity, and say most of them have certain feelings and opinions due to being racist?

Yes. Only middle-class people are susceptible to being racist, there are only white people in the middle class.

Asking "questions" in that way is so weird.

 

[Sweet Square]

Said it before. If non-politicians should stay out of politics then politicians should stay out of economics, law making, social programs, and leave it up to civil servants to make decisions.

Welcome aboard comrade!

 

[Foxbatt]

Isn't Weah the President of Libera?

 

[Stacks]

Le Bron is probably wondering who Zlatan is to start with.

He deffo knows who he is. Or he could ask Gordon Hayward who follows Zlatan on Twitter.

I'm sure some posters here would have told Ali to shut the feck up

People forget Ali was criticised heavily for his views at the time. Its only when you age does the sentiment change and you become a hero. You

Zlatan, for a his funny charisma hasn't really achieved much of note besides from a few league wins with dominant teams.

Fair play, joins very strong teams on the league and bangs in goals. His goals per game ratio is massively skewed by his time on Paris, battering trawler men and carpenters week in, week out.

Never won a UCL all the while has played for Juve, Inter, Milan, Barcelona.

Has great talent but teams don't win the biggest prizes with him up top.

Weird take. Who doesn't win titles with strong teams? do you not think his inclusion helped them become dominant. He won back 2 back titles with Juve, then Inter then went to Milan and they won the title but it doesn't count because they were dominant? Pretty much won title for 10 years straight. All top players play for strong teams as the best buy the best. Weird take.
Ronaldo Nazario De Lima hasn't won a CL......

 

[DoomSlayer]

Yes. Only middle-class people are susceptible to being racist, there are only white people in the middle class.

Asking "questions" in that way is so weird.

I wouldn't be asking "questions" if you and the other poster actually explained the reasons for such generalisations.

 

[pacifictheme]

So they shouldn't take a stand or comment on anything unless they put funds to it?

I think that's what the idiots said when Rashford campaigned for kids to be fed.

It was just a little jape.

 

[JPRouve]

I think that's what the idiots said when Rashford campaigned for kids to be fed.

It was just a little jape.

Don't be racist, they are called japanese.

 

[mav_9me]

I find it absolutely baffling when people talk about Politics as if it’s a some sort of mono-subject which only concerns Politicians. You see people on social media say “oh everyone’s a politician now” because people are talking about issues which actually concern them and have an opinion on it. Literally everything in our lives that has some sort of effect on us is subject to politics and people should be encouraged to be more involved, not less involved.

spot on.

 

[pacifictheme]

Don't be racist, they are called japanese.

In fairness to the Japanese they are excellent practical jokers.

 

[e.cantona]

Look, look, this famous person said something controversial. What's the context he said what he said? "you like basketball?", "yes, lebron should stick to that, not politics!"?

 

[nimic]

Comes across better than Zlatan which isn't a surprise to be fair.

He's far more intelligent than Zlatan, there's no doubt about that.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

While Zlatan's take here is idiotic and Lebron can and should speak out, the issue unfortunately is a double-edged sword in America that over-glorifies celebrities and celebrity culture.

It's how an absolute disaster was able to build a political career simply out of holding press conferences to claim Obama wasn't born in the US.

I believe the media in the US is a huge part of the problem, the media (even the "liberal media") that consistently gave that living turd too much free airtime for years and years simply because he played an asshole apprentice on TV.

Celebrities, of course, have every right to state their opinion but the media needs to stop giving them so much influence and airtime over, for instance, activists like Campaign Zero or academics like Cornel West.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

He deffo knows who he is. Or he could ask Gordon Hayward who follows Zlatan on Twitter.


People forget Ali was criticised heavily for his views at the time. Its only when you age does the sentiment change and you become a hero. You

Weird take. Who doesn't win titles with strong teams? do you not think his inclusion helped them become dominant. He won back 2 back titles with Juve, then Inter then went to Milan and they won the title but it doesn't count because they were dominant? Pretty much won title for 10 years straight. All top players play for strong teams as the best buy the best. Weird take.
Ronaldo Nazario De Lima hasn't won a CL......

That were illegally won and rescinded?

He won most of the titles in France so they're out. Juve titles were rescinded. Milan OK fair enough but weak league and Inter, they were dominant team in a weakening league too. Barcelona couldn't work with Guardiola who binned him off and won six trophies in a season without him, two UCLs etc.

He's not a difference maker, he's a good paint job on a race car.

 

[NotThatSoph]

I wouldn't be asking "questions" if you and the other poster actually explained the reasons for such generalisations.

You should be able to understand it. The statement was "The obvious answer to why middle class people don't want to listen to what LeBron James cares about is not a pleasant one.", but of course some middle class people do want to listen to James, right? You didn't take issue with that part, though, maybe because you understood that it would be absurd to interpret what duffer said that way. Just take the same approach to the rest - why would you assume that duffer was proposing a sole reason meant to explain any and all opposition? It's weird.

First I thought you maybe had problems with interpreting sentences like that. Maybe it's a language issue, maybe something else. So I decided I'd check:, this is you yesterday:

It's like a toxic wasteland, as soon as you get in, it starts to infect your brain.

Seriously, the toxicity on Twitter is abhorrent, every topic gets pushed to the extreme, whatever "side" you are on. I guess being in a safe environment gives people the bravery to write and say stuff the never would in a real-life conversation.

I also suspect there is too many children that have access to it. Especially when I occasionally look for football and United related news, the comments genuinely seem to be written by 10 year olds.

It's obviously not true that every single topic on Twitter gets pushed to a toxic extreme, a lot of stuff is mundane, boring, harmless, fun. Why on earth would you believe that literally every single topic is captured by extreme toxicity when it would be so easy for you to see that you're wrong? Probably because you don't believe that, you were talking about a general tendency.

This is you last Sunday:

Rival fans are so mad with him, I love it.

What could you be talking about with "rival fans"? Are you so delusional that you believe all rival fans are mad at Bruno Fernandes, or were you talking about how a lot of rival fans (but #NotAllRivalFans) are annoyed by the fact that Bruno Fernandes is really good?

If you take a moment and reflect on why you can say the stuff you do without people interpreting you like you did duffer, then you should be able to get at what was meant. Since time immemorial the comfortable middle class have a tendency to dislike people rocking the boat. In a modern Western society that's especially true for race issues. Look at how the white middle class viewed Martin Luther King and the American Civil Rights Movement, for instance. Not necessarily because they were against civil rights for black people (though a lot probably were as well), but because just don't make such a fuss about it. Now is not the time, this is not the way.

 

[SwedishFish]

That were illegally won and rescinded?

He won most of the titles in France so they're out. Juve titles were rescinded. Milan OK fair enough but weak league and Inter, they were dominant team in a weakening league too. Barcelona couldn't work with Guardiola who binned him off and won six trophies in a season without him, two UCLs etc.

He's not a difference maker, he's a good paint job on a race car.

Biggest load of shit I've heard so far.

He's made the difference on a number of occasions, not in the least for his country. Even for Manchester United the year we won the Europa League.

 

[DoomSlayer]

You should be able to understand it. The statement was "The obvious answer to why middle class people don't want to listen to what LeBron James cares about is not a pleasant one.", but of course some middle class people do want to listen to James, right? You didn't take issue with that part, though, maybe because you understood that it would be absurd to interpret what duffer said that way. Just take the same approach to the rest - why would you assume that duffer was proposing a sole reason meant to explain any and all opposition? It's weird.

First I thought you maybe had problems with interpreting sentences like that. Maybe it's a language issue, maybe something else. So I decided I'd check:, this is you yesterday:




It's obviously not true that every single topic on Twitter gets pushed to a toxic extreme, a lot of stuff is mundane, boring, harmless, fun. Why on earth would you believe that literally every single topic is captured by extreme toxicity when it would be so easy for you to see that you're wrong? Probably because you don't believe that, you were talking about a general tendency.

This is you last Sunday:




What could you be talking about with "rival fans"? Are you so delusional that you believe all rival fans are mad at Bruno Fernandes, or were you talking about how a lot of rival fans (but #NotAllRivalFans) are annoyed by the fact that Bruno Fernandes is really good?

If you take a moment and reflect on why you can say the stuff you do without people interpreting you like you did duffer, then you should be able to get at what was meant. Since time immemorial the comfortable middle class have a tendency to dislike people rocking the boat. In a modern Western society that's especially true for race issues. Look at how the white middle class viewed Martin Luther King and the American Civil Rights Movement, for instance. Not necessarily because they were against civil rights for black people (though a lot probably were as well), but because just don't make such a fuss about it. Now is not the time, this is not the way.

Well, that escalated quickly. Don't think you had to do a character assassination on me like that, but whatever, I got your point.

I still disagree slightly and I also don't agree that your comparisons were apt. The Bruno comment was me just feeling myself and being a bit cocky, whilst the Twitter one was maybe worded harshly, as I shouldn't have been so absolute in my statement, but it's still not the same as insinuating something as sinister as actual racism and putting that down to belonging to a certain class or race.

I'm too lazy for these serious debates though, as the more I try to be balanced and explain my viewpoints, the more emotionally invested I get and it ruins my mood. So don't take whatever I said personal anymore, I was genuinely curious when replying to you, maybe a bit annoyed as well, but at least we got to some sort of middle ground (I think).

 

[DoomSlayer]

That were illegally won and rescinded?

He won most of the titles in France so they're out. Juve titles were rescinded. Milan OK fair enough but weak league and Inter, they were dominant team in a weakening league too. Barcelona couldn't work with Guardiola who binned him off and won six trophies in a season without him, two UCLs etc.

He's not a difference maker, he's a good paint job on a race car.

Yeah, one of the worst posts I've ever seen on the Caf. Absolute horse doo doo.

 

[Raoul]

Zlatan is starting to remind me of McConnaughey from Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

Which character in the film was McConnaughey ?

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Biggest load of shit I've heard so far.

He's made the difference on a number of occasions, not in the least for his country. Even for Manchester United the year we won the Europa League.

Alright son

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Yeah, one of the worst posts I've ever seen on the Caf. Absolute horse doo doo.

You must be new.

 

[NinjaZombie]

I don't know why people are trying to discredit Zlatan's football career. I think his remarks on James are way off the mark but that doesn't somehow make him a bad footballer.

Anyone get the feeling that his comments sort of gives the impression that all Zlatan's interested about is himself and his wealth? He's got his, so feck all those people who would benefit from the sort of work that Lebron James does for his own community.

 

[The Firestarter]

Which character in the film was McConnaughey ?

Brad is played by Judge Reinhold and that is the closest resemblance to MM I can recall. Oddly enough, MM has participated in a recent table read of the same film

 

[Raoul]

Brad is played by Judge Reinhold and that is the closest resemblance to MM I can recall. Oddly enough, MM will be starring in an upcoming remake of the same film

Maybe that's what he meant. MM in the remake (which I hadn't previously heard of until now).

 

[JPRouve]

I don't know why people are trying to discredit Zlatan's football career. I think his remarks on James are way off the mark but that doesn't somehow make him a bad footballer.

Anyone get the feeling that his comments sort of gives the impression that all Zlatan's interested about is himself and his wealth? He's got his, so feck all those people who would benefit from the sort of work that Lebron James does for his own community.

I could be wrong but the way he brought James into it a question about the NBA makes me think that he is just a bit envious of the attention that James has within american sports. The thing about Lebron James is that he is that only Jordan and Ali are above him when it comes to athletes popularity which is an incredible achievement.

 

[The Firestarter]

Maybe that's what he meant. MM in the remake (which I hadn't previously heard of until now).

I edited the post, it was a table read, not remake!

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

I don't know why people are trying to discredit Zlatan's football career. I think his remarks on James are way off the mark but that doesn't somehow make him a bad footballer.

Anyone get the feeling that his comments sort of gives the impression that all Zlatan's interested about is himself and his wealth? He's got his, so feck all those people who would benefit from the sort of work that Lebron James does for his own community.

I think it's the fact, Zlatan comes across (as part of his schtick) as hyper arrogant but in reality, he's a good footballer with not some sort of unreal talent that transcends the sport.

If you can compare sports, Lebron's achievements DWARF Zlatan's.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Brad is played by Judge Reinhold and that is the closest resemblance to MM I can recall. Oddly enough, MM has participated in a recent table read of the same film

I'm sure he is thinking of Sean Penn as Spicoli. That or he's thinking of Dazed and Confused but MMs character in that was pretty cool from what I recall.