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It's common knowledge, isn't it? He laid into Rio Ferdinand and Fletcher, particularly.That's bollocks. Pure hyperbole.
It's common knowledge, isn't it? He laid into Rio Ferdinand and Fletcher, particularly.That's bollocks. Pure hyperbole.
Listen to Gary Neville on the topic. No one wanted Keane out but Ferguson. He gave him the shovel and Keane buried himself with it. The players all were saddened by his departure.Read, SAF autobiography
Darren FletcherIt's common knowledge, isn't it? He laid into Rio Ferdinand and Fletcher, particularly.
These people were planning to become pundits which meant having to work with the psycho. Sir Alex's could not give a feck about Keane and his feelingsListen to Gary Neville on the topic. No one wanted Keane out but Ferguson. He gave him the shovel and Keane buried himself with it. The players all were saddened by his departure.
Darren Fletcher
"My dad, Sir Alex Ferguson and Roy Keane are the three biggest influences on my career,” he told UTD Podcast.
Sources:https://punditarena.com/football/oisinmcqueirns2758/darren-fletcher-roy-keane-manchester-united-2/
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/darren-fletcher-roy-keane-man-united-184083
Rio
“It was just football analysis. I didn’t have a problem with it.”
Ferdinand: I don’t believe the media would have made a big deal out of the tape if it had been played.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/so...has-said-far-worse-to-our-faces-30739405.html
https://punditarena.com/football/kennedymarisa760/rio-ferdinand-roy-keane-man-united/
Fixed that pieceDarren Fletcher
"My dad Sir Alex Ferguson and Roy Keane are the three biggest influences on my career,” he told UTD Podcast.
He is one of our greatest ever players and captains. Give it a rest.These people were planning to become pundits which meant having to work with the psycho. Sir Alex's could not give a feck about Keane and his feelings
He was indeed but that has nothing to do with what I said. The guy has flaws, he can be frightening, childish and vindictive and on this argument he is being a hypocrite.He is one of our greatest ever players and captains. Give it a rest.
That is one of the biggest misconceptions about Keane. The main element of his leadership was by example.He was indeed but that has nothing to do with what I said. The guy has flaws, he can be frightening, childish and vindictive and on this argument he is being a hypocrite.
I was never a big fan of people who lead with fear either
There were many captains who did that from Robson right to Maldini. I don't recall any of them giving nasty tackles to new players just to show whose the boss. I don't recall them knocking at their door as Keane did to cleverly eitherThat is one of the biggest misconceptions about Keane. The main element of his leadership was by example.
He could only make those demands of his teammates because he did it himself. The only fear his teammates had of him was letting him down. That is what made the team so successful.
When asked what is the most important element of being a good captain, Keane's response was "being the best player". Which he was, for many years.
Keane punched Chris Eagles once in s training session (when Eagles was still with the u23s)That is one of the biggest misconceptions about Keane. The main element of his leadership was by example.
He could only make those demands of his teammates because he did it himself. The only fear his teammates had of him was letting him down. That is what made the team so successful.
When asked what is the most important element of being a good captain, Keane's response was "being the best player". Which he was, for many years.
ya he was on the decline but he probably would have got another season with younger legs around him if he’d kept his mouth closed. He was basically just moving around protecting the back four if I remember correctly. He’s probably my favourite player. Injuries caught up with him and it was clear after a few games he wasn’t going to do much with Celtic.Was Keane done at this stage? I was still fairly young and distracted by youth stuff as suposed to being all about united ins and outs
He went to Celtic and then retired?
If we disregard how the moving on of Keane happened was it the right move, never thought about it before so just wondering from people who were more invested at the time
Robson? If he played for 20 minutes without putting in a nasty tackle it would have been a one off. Maldini rarely tackled at all. You're confusing the type of player they were to the type of leader.There were many captains who did that from Robson right to Maldini. I don't recall any of them giving nasty tackles to new players just to show whose the boss. I don't recall them knocking at their door as Keane did to cleverly either
There is no doubt that Keane was the captain of an extremely successful side. However as said I don't like people who rule with fear
Maybe he was but that isn't what made him a great leader.Keane punched Chris Eagles once in s training session (when Eagles was still with the u23s)
Keane was a great leader, but he had many flaws, one of them being he was a bit of a bully
You are confusing between playing a physical game and being nasty to prove who is the boss. I do not recall Robson or Maldini doing the latterRobson? If he played for 20 minutes without putting in a nasty tackle it would have been a one off. Maldini rarely tackled at all. You're confusing the type of player they were to the type of leader.
Maybe he was but that isn't what made him a great leader.
How do you know he was nasty to prove who was the boss in United training? Were you there?You are confusing between playing a physical game and being nasty to prove who is the boss. I do not recall Robson or Maldini doing the latter
Thank you. There we go. I guess I was wrong about the extent to which the players took the tape the wrong way. Judging from what you've provided, it does seem as if it was mainly Sir Alex.Listen to Gary Neville on the topic. No one wanted Keane out but Ferguson. He gave him the shovel and Keane buried himself with it. The players all were saddened by his departure.
Darren Fletcher
"My dad, Sir Alex Ferguson and Roy Keane are the three biggest influences on my career,” he told UTD Podcast.
Sources:https://punditarena.com/football/oisinmcqueirns2758/darren-fletcher-roy-keane-manchester-united-2/
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/darren-fletcher-roy-keane-man-united-184083
Rio
“It was just football analysis. I didn’t have a problem with it.”
Ferdinand: I don’t believe the media would have made a big deal out of the tape if it had been played.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/so...has-said-far-worse-to-our-faces-30739405.html
https://punditarena.com/football/kennedymarisa760/rio-ferdinand-roy-keane-man-united/
Many players said pretty much the same story including Goram and Yorke. The guy also punched Schmeichel if I remember wellHow do you know he was nasty to prove who was the boss in United training? Were you there?
He didn't though, he led by example.There were many captains who did that from Robson right to Maldini. I don't recall any of them giving nasty tackles to new players just to show whose the boss. I don't recall them knocking at their door as Keane did to cleverly either
There is no doubt that Keane was the captain of an extremely successful side. However as said I don't like people who rule with fear
He had a fight with Schmeichel, who kind of initiated it, there was a bit of hostility between the two when Keane was made captain ahead of him. I think also was because Keane ironically enough thought his shouting during games was uncalled for and all for show.Many players said pretty much the same story including Goram and Yorke. The guy also punched Schmeichel if I remember well
Goram didn't say that about Keane. They just never got on, which is understandable, Goram openly supported loyalist terrorists, so I don't imagine Roy as an Irishman was too keen on him. Peter Schmeichel was the one who initiated that fight, he was the one standing outside Butt's door waiting for Roy. I've no issue with players not liking each other, it's if they carry that onto the pitch, which the likes of Keane and Peter didn't do during their time with Utd.Many players said pretty much the same story including Goram and Yorke. The guy also punched Schmeichel if I remember well
Goram and Yorke! Pretty unbiased analysis right there!Many players said pretty much the same story including Goram and Yorke. The guy also punched Schmeichel if I remember well
It's nothing to do with equal power. Keane's issue with Fergie is that (in his eyes) Fergie essentially got rid of him for doing the job of a captain and doing essentially what Fergie encouraged him to do for years.I don’t think he’ll ever get over Sir Alex Ferguson discarding him after probably years of thinking he had equal power to SAF at Utd.
Pretty sure he picks Clough over SAF as the best manager he’s worked for in 100% spite to SAF.
Remember that interview thing he did with Gary Neville in Ireland randomly? He came off like the stereotypical psycho ex-girlfriend (“I’m TOTALLY over him and don’t care anymore I swear!”) when questions about SAF came up.
Felt a little sad watching that. Seeing so little respect between men who I personally hold in such high regard who were basically mostly responsible for post 1992 United.I don’t think he’ll ever get over Sir Alex Ferguson discarding him after probably years of thinking he had equal power to SAF at Utd.
Pretty sure he picks Clough over SAF as the best manager he’s worked for in 100% spite to SAF.
Remember that interview thing he did with Gary Neville in Ireland randomly? He came off like the stereotypical psycho ex-girlfriend (“I’m TOTALLY over him and don’t care anymore I swear!”) when questions about SAF came up.
from what he said in that recent interview with neville it wasn't so much the tape, but defying the manager more and more Infront of the squad. They wouldn't look at the manager the same if he kept taking grief from keaneIt's nothing to do with equal power. Keane's issue with Fergie is that (in his eyes) Fergie essentially got rid of him for doing the job of a captain and doing essentially what Fergie encouraged him to do for years.
Setting and enforcing standards, calling players out when they stepped below them. That's what he did that was "so terrible we couldn't broadcast it". He feels Fergie stabbed him in the back.
The truth of the matter was that Keane called Queiroz out and Fergie himself in training. At that point, Keane was struggling with injury and could tell his time at the top was coming to an end. He wanted success now and United were in the early stages of a rebuild.
That conversation could have led to a parting of the ways on amicable terms but both Fergie and Keane were too stubborn to have that conversation. It's a real shame how it ended. Of any player in the Fergie era, Keane was the one who cemented that ruthless winning mentality in the squad and was Ferguson's presence on the pitch.
If it was Carrick rather than Keane in that era, Arsene Wenger would have many more titles and the United legacy would have been much less.
His clips on sky hit millions of views on YouTube. I bet sky will chuck money at him to keep him. He better take Micah Richards with him to celtic if he leaves. Don't split up the dream team.Would be a bit gutted if he leaves Sky to take the Celtic job, I could listen to him talk about football all day and not get bored.
Don't remember that happeningBoth Fergie and Keane were probably being petty, Keane was overstepping the boundaries with coaches and manager and SAF pulled rank. The rape was used as an excuse. It's a shame they are both so stubborn because as fans we'd love to see them talking together and reminiscing.
if he goes, he will be back pretty quickly!Would be a bit gutted if he leaves Sky to take the Celtic job, I could listen to him talk about football all day and not get bored.
imagineDon't remember that happening
that's how I actually read it first time round.Fixed that piece
I call BS there was any raping going on in the training ground.Both Fergie and Keane were probably being petty, Keane was overstepping the boundaries with coaches and manager and SAF pulled rank. The rape was used as an excuse. It's a shame they are both so stubborn because as fans we'd love to see them talking together and reminiscing.
Was that the part about the horse?Don't remember that happening
I don't remember Keane telling it like he had had the upper hand. But didn't they stop when Sir Bobby came out into the corridor?Would love to hear Nicky Butt's account of the fight between big Pete and Keane. Sounds as if Peter came off worse- I would have bet the other way round to be honest.
@horsechokerWas that the part about the horse?
I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot the deputy.