Cristiano Ronaldo should go down as top 5-6 players of all time

[MUFC OK]

07/08 Ronaldo is my favourite player ever. I don’t know which years we’re his peak at Madrid but no doubt he achieved that there. I think messi will go down as the greatest ever but he’s as good a shout as any for 2nd.

1. messi
2. Pèle/Ronaldo
3. Maradona
4. Cruyff
5. R9

 

[Lord SInister]

I can only assume you have the years messed up because Sneijder didn't put a foot wrong that year. He won the treble with Inter and was exceptional in the world cup. I hope you have the years wrong because this is the dumbest comment in the thread if not.

He was pretty crap post world cup though, while Messi that year was scoring a goal every 75 min.

 

[Sky1981]

Stats arent everything. But when it's 700 goals it is something.

A good player may score shitloads in a good season, stats aren't everything. But when CR7 has done it every single year being for 15 bloody years then sure as hell it means something.

If x player is better why dont they score more? Oh... but he score twice in world cup where it matters, therefore he's better.

700 goals. That's an average of 35 goals a season for 20 bloody fecking year without a miss.

 

[Daysleeper]

Stats arent everything. But when it's 700 goals it is something.

A good player may score shitloads in a good season, stats aren't everything. But when CR7 has done it every single year being for 15 bloody years then sure as hell it means something.

If x player is better why dont they score more? Oh... but he score twice in world cup where it matters, therefore he's better.

700 goals. That's an average of 35 goals a season for 20 bloody fecking year without a miss.

it is an interesting take that because someone had one hell of a month once every 4 years makes them better than others who have done it week and week out for 15 years.

 

[RedRonaldo]

If the award was just meant for who is the best in the world, then:
- Baggio should have won it for 3-4 consecutive seasons in the early 90s;
- R9 should have won it 3 consecutive times, from 96 to 99, and again, 2 consecutive times, from 02 to 04;
- R10 from around 04 to around 06.
etc
But it's not, it's about who had the best season, and in 2010, that was Sneijder by far.

If your criteria is “being the best” on performances alone, regardless of impact and trophies, then why would you give him 02-04, when he is clearly no longer the best? At most He won 02 one, but that’s based on his impact on winning WC, not for his performance.

Then also, in season 98-99 he missed almost half of games due to injuries, and in season 99-00, he was competing out due to long term injuries too, you can’t really have him as best player for whatever criteria you applied, as he simply didn’t playing enough games to be considered the best.

Based on your criteria, I would say he should only won 2 times from 96-99.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Everytime I see the thread title I give my head a wobble, no shit he’s there with Pele, Maradona and Messi as the best ever.

 

[VanKenny]

I can only assume you have the years messed up because Sneijder didn't put a foot wrong that year. He won the treble with Inter and was exceptional in the world cup. I hope you have the years wrong because this is the dumbest comment in the thread if not.

Inter won the treble, that doesnt make Sneijder the best player in the world of that year.

Messi, Iniesta and Xavi were much better, and thats what the balon d or podium shows that year rightfully so. For example, the year Modric won it, i dont agree with it, but he also didnt have as big competition as Sneijder had. They are similar cases/seasons yet Modrid wasnt competing against prime Messi, Xavi and Iniesta for it.

 

[Shiva87]

Don't really care about who the GOAT is, but I wish people would stop calling Ronaldo 'Fat Ronaldo'. A little bit of me dies inside every time I see it.

Don't @ me

But isn't in amazing that Christiano has relegated the 'real ronaldo' into the 'fat Ronaldo' over his career.

That fact itself is good enough for me to say that Christiano is head and shoulders above the first Ronaldo .:P

 

[Bogdannn]

If your criteria is “being the best” on performances alone, regardless of impact and trophies, then why would you give him 02-04, when he is clearly no longer the best? At most He won 02 one, but that’s based on his impact on winning WC, not for his performance.

Then also, in season 98-99 he missed almost half of games due to injuries, and in season 99-00, he was competing out due to long term injuries too, you can’t really have him as best player for whatever criteria you applied, as he simply didn’t playing enough games to be considered the best.

Based on your criteria, I would say he should only won 2 times from 96-99.

No, my criteria for being the best is about who can play to the higher level, meaning peak form. That is why I said that if it were just about that, Baggio and R9 would have won it multiple times. But those who voted for the Ballon D'Or back then didn't just look at that, they looked at talent being converted into titles, that's why the winner was usually someone who not only played well in a particular year, but he also won big trophies.
Coming back to my criteria, a player doesn't even have to play 1 single game, he's still the best in my eyes. For example, if Messi didn't play a single game this season, he'd still be the best in the world. Not playing doesn't diminish one's ability.

Inter won the treble, that doesnt make Sneijder the best player in the world of that year.

Messi, Iniesta and Xavi were much better, and thats what the balon d or podium shows that year rightfully so. For example, the year Modric won it, i dont agree with it, but he also didnt have as big competition as Sneijder had. They are similar cases/seasons yet Modrid wasnt competing against prime Messi, Xavi and Iniesta for it.

It doesn't matter if they were better or not, they did not win anything of relevance, apart from the league. Sneijder won the Champions League (beating the Barca of those 3 along the way), Serie A and Copa Italia. He played great in all 3 events. He also played great and scored 5 goals at the World Cup, reaching the final. Based on the criteria on which the Ballon D'or was awarded until 2007, he deserved to win.

But isn't in amazing that Christiano has relegated the 'real ronaldo' into the 'fat Ronaldo' over his career.
That fact itself is good enough for me to say that Christiano is head and shoulders above the first Ronaldo .:P

If R9 wouldn't have suffered from hypothyroidism which made him fat, nobody would call him "fat Ronaldo". And only clueless kids call him that. For those of us who saw him play, he's Il Fenomeno, and he's the better player prime vs prime.

 

[VanKenny]

It doesn't matter if they were better or not, they did not win anything of relevance, apart from the league. Sneijder won the Champions League (beating the Barca of those 3 along the way), Serie A and Copa Italia. He played great in all 3 events. He also played great and scored 5 goals at the World Cup, reaching the final. Based on the criteria on which the Ballon D'or was awarded until 2007, he deserved to win.

Are you trolling?

Xavi and Iniesta won the world cup on 2010(beating Holland), and Messi had a better year than Sneijder, even if you picked the best 12 months of Sneijder's entire career, Messi would have still comfortably taken it.

Sneijder has never, not even at prime form, been a top 10 player in the world. Balon D or goes for the best player, for team's success we already have team trophies.

 

[Josep Dowling]

For me 07/08 he was having best individual season I've ever seen from any player since L.Ronaldo, and clearly by far best player in the world. I mean, I have never seen a winger could score that amount of goals before that, 40+ goals in a season from the wing, while he was also most skillful player in the world at that time too, it just totally defies my knowledge and concept of football at that time. You know, back in those time, best strikers in the world were expected to have 20-30+ goals, while you won’t expect best winger in the world to score more than 10-15 goals. He was most skillful winger in the world, and he scored 42. To me, it’s revolutionary moment of football.

08/09 he isn't quite as good as 07/08, as he clearly had his head half in Madrid, but still world class and comfortably the 2nd best player in the world on performance alone (Messi was best).

Then 09/10 he was back to his 07/08 form but was injured at Madrid for months.

From 10-13, he was performing at his best ever level with unreal output, for me he has overtaken peak L.Ronaldo at that period, in terms of overall performances+end products, as he has everything (pace, skills, tricks, goals, long shots, header, freekick, athleticism, drive etc), but unfortunately not only he was competing with peak Messi during that period, he was also competing together with peak Xavi+iniesta and best ever Barca. Imagine if that has happened in other period of football, more people would have rated his peak higher.

Its only from 14-15 onwards, he is more focus on stats and trophies rather than performances, become less involved in build up play, but he enjoyed more success during that period.

So many factored made that season unbelievable. He even started the new trend of knuckle ball freekicks.

 

[Bogdannn]

Xavi and Iniesta won the world cup on 2010(beating Holland)...

I was talking more about Messi when I said that they didn't win anything of relevance. You are right, they won the WC, but Sneijder performed better than them at that WC.

and Messi had a better year than Sneijder

Messi did not have a better year than Sneijder, since he only won La Liga.

even if you picked the best 12 months of Sneijder's entire career, Messi would have still comfortably taken it.
Sneijder has never, not even at prime form, been a top 10 player in the world.

You're talking crap. Sneijder was brilliant that year, saying he wasn't top 10 is really stupid. Messi wouldn't have taken anything. Scoring many goals against the weak teams is La Liga is not more important than performing in the World Cup, Serie A, Champions League and Copa Italia.

Balon D or goes for the best player, for team's success we already have team trophies.

No it does not. Didn't you read my previous comments ?!? I already explained what the Ballon D'Or meant when it was invented.
It was meant to honour the male player deemed to have performed the best over the previous year, the one with the best season, not the best player in the world. That's why Sammer won it instead of R9 in 96, and why Cannavaro won it instead of R10 in 2006.
And in 2010, that was Sneijder.

 

[Pocho]

Who cares what Sneijder won, he wasn't the best player. Move on

 

[Bogdannn]

Who cares what Sneijder won, he wasn't the best player. Move on

He had the best season, and that was the criteria for picking the winner of the award until 2007.

 

[RedRonaldo]

He had the best season, and that was the criteria for picking the winner of the award until 2007.

I remember at that time many people thought Ribery had a chance too, as he had the best season that year, winning treble for Bayern and was their best player. But individually he was still clearly some way from matching brilliance of Ronaldo and Messi though. Hence he didn’t win it in the end.

For me I think the criteria is, usually should give it to best player in most successful team, if there are no other stand out player who is clearly easily better. But if there are some other individual who easily stands out more for a distance, maybe should give it to the other individual instead.

 

[Bogdannn]

I remember at that time many people thought Ribery had a chance too, as he had the best season that year, winning treble for Bayern and was their best player. But individually he was still clearly some way from matching brilliance of Ronaldo and Messi though. Hence he didn’t win it in the end.

For me I think the criteria is, usually should give it to best player in most successful team, if there are no other stand out player who is clearly easily better. But if there are some other individual who easily stands out more for a distance, maybe should give it to the other individual instead.

Sneijder should have won it in 2010 and Ribbery in 2013. They were the best players of the most succesful teams.
Messi and CR7 should have at least 1 less Ballon D'Or.

 

[VanKenny]

I was talking more about Messi when I said that they didn't win anything of relevance. You are right, they won the WC, but Sneijder performed better than them at that WC.


Messi did not have a better year than Sneijder, since he only won La Liga.


You're talking crap. Sneijder was brilliant that year, saying he wasn't top 10 is really stupid. Messi wouldn't have taken anything. Scoring many goals against the weak teams is La Liga is not more important than performing in the World Cup, Serie A, Champions League and Copa Italia.


No it does not. Didn't you read my previous comments ?!? I already explained what the Ballon D'Or meant when it was invented.
It was meant to honour the male player deemed to have performed the best over the previous year, the one with the best season, not the best player in the world. That's why Sammer won it instead of R9 in 96, and why Cannavaro won it instead of R10 in 2006.
And in 2010, that was Sneijder.

If the way you view football is trough a wikipedia page, i guess, doing enough mental gymnastics and putting extreme weight on the little factors that slightly benefit Sneijder and completely disregarding those who benefit Messi on that year, then you could make a case for Sneijder being actually a contender for the best player of the world that year.

He simply wasnt. Look up Messi 2010 year on youtube, i would post it if i could post media, but i cant yet. Messi's 2008-2009 was the season where everybody was like "Ok this guy is the best in the world", but on 2009-2010, that was the season where people realized they were watching one of the greatest players of all time. That was the year Wenger came out and just said he was the GOAT.

What he did on 2010, making a fool out of premier league teams, Sevilla, Real Madrid, Valencia, etc, time after time, that was on a level that few players have reached before, Sneijder not being one of them, thats for sure.

There is a reason why he beat Xavi, Iniesta and Sneijder (who by some weird reason is on the conversation, must be one of those internet football myths) and it was because he was simply that much better than all of them that season.

Most of the time, the balon d or goes to a CL winner or a World cup winner. That matters a lot for voting. This time Messi won it, because even if he didnt win neither of them, he was just THAT much better than those 3 that year. If anything, that speaks highly of Messi, since he was able to nulify the ridiculous criteria just from how great he played.

Messi's highlights of 2010 are better than Sneijder's entire career highlights.


Not to mention he regularly beat Cristiano's and Mourinho's Real Madrid with all the hype surrounding the Clasico back then, games with great importance for winning the title those seasons (second half of 2009-2010 season and first half of 2010-2011 season)

 

[davidmichael]

He’s definitely a top 10 of all time and arguably top 5 of all time, he’s definitely the greatest goal scorer of all time but not the greatest player in my mind.

I’m torn between Messi and Maradona as THE greatest player of all time and my opinion changes daily so I’ll just say they’re 1 and 2 and then it’s Cruyff and Pele at 3 and 4 then it’s subjective from 5 through to 10 but you’ve got original Ronaldo, Beckenbauer, Zidane, Best, Charlton, Cristiano Ronaldo, Van Basten and Platini all in the conversation.

 

[luke511]

Watching this back reminds you, the second best player ever behind Messi, incredible.

 

[Bogdannn]

If the way you view football is trough a wikipedia page, i guess, doing enough mental gymnastics and putting extreme weight on the little factors that slightly benefit Sneijder and completely disregarding those who benefit Messi on that year, then you could make a case for Sneijder being actually a contender for the best player of the world that year.

He simply wasnt. Look up Messi 2010 year on youtube, i would post it if i could post media, but i cant yet. Messi's 2008-2009 was the season where everybody was like "Ok this guy is the best in the world", but on 2009-2010, that was the season where people realized they were watching one of the greatest players of all time. That was the year Wenger came out and just said he was the GOAT.

What he did on 2010, making a fool out of premier league teams, Sevilla, Real Madrid, Valencia, etc, time after time, that was on a level that few players have reached before, Sneijder not being one of them, thats for sure.

There is a reason why he beat Xavi, Iniesta and Sneijder (who by some weird reason is on the conversation, must be one of those internet football myths) and it was because he was simply that much better than all of them that season.

Most of the time, the balon d or goes to a CL winner or a World cup winner. That matters a lot for voting. This time Messi won it, because even if he didnt win neither of them, he was just THAT much better than those 3 that year. If anything, that speaks highly of Messi, since he was able to nulify the ridiculous criteria just from how great he played.

Messi's highlights of 2010 are better than Sneijder's entire career highlights.


Not to mention he regularly beat Cristiano's and Mourinho's Real Madrid with all the hype surrounding the Clasico back then, games with great importance for winning the title those seasons (second half of 2009-2010 season and first half of 2010-2011 season)

I keep talking about apples and you keep replying about oranges.
It doesn't matter how well Messi performed if his performances did not translate into major titles. And according to the criteria for the Ballon D'or up until 2007, Sneijder would have won it. In 96, Ronaldo also had an incredible season, scoring 47 goals, just like Messi in 2010, but Sammer won the Ballon D'Or cause Borussia Dortmund won the CL.
Sneijder won the Champions League, beating Messi's Barca along the way, with Messi being completely nullified in the second leg of their encounter.
He won Serie A and the Italian Cup. In all 3 events, Sneijder put in some great performances.
He scored 5 goals at the World Cup and reached the final, while Messi crumbled.

I'm not arguing Sneijder was better than Messi ability wise, I'm arguing that that doesn't matter one bit according to the initial criteria for awarding the trophy.

 

[Lord SInister]

I keep talking about apples and you keep replying about oranges.
It doesn't matter how well Messi performed if his performances did not translate into major titles. And according to the criteria for the Ballon D'or up until 2007, Sneijder would have won it. In 96, Ronaldo also had an incredible season, scoring 47 goals, just like Messi in 2010, but Sammer won the Ballon D'Or cause Borussia Dortmund won the CL.
Sneijder won the Champions League, beating Messi's Barca along the way, with Messi being completely nullified in the second leg of their encounter.
He won Serie A and the Italian Cup. In all 3 events, Sneijder put in some great performances.
He scored 5 goals at the World Cup and reached the final, while Messi crumbled.

I'm not arguing Sneijder was better than Messi ability wise, I'm arguing that that doesn't matter one bit according to the initial criteria for awarding the trophy.

Ronaldo won the 1997 Ballon Dor, sammer won in 1996.
So there you go.

 

[Bogdannn]

Ronaldo won the 1997 Ballon Dor, sammer won in 1996.
So there you go.

Yes, Ronaldo won in 97, but not in 96, when he scored 47 goals , like Messi did in 2010. So if Ronaldo didn't win it in 96, Messi shouldn't have won it in 2010.

 

[NasirTimothy]

Yes, Ronaldo won in 97, but not in 96, when he scored 47 goals , like Messi did in 2010. So if Ronaldo didn't win it in 96, Messi shouldn't have won it in 2010.

Ronaldo’s 47 goal season was in 1997

 

[Daysleeper]

Yes, Ronaldo won in 97, but not in 96, when he scored 47 goals , like Messi did in 2010. So if Ronaldo didn't win it in 96, Messi shouldn't have won it in 2010.

uh no you’re looking at it wrong

 

[Gehrman]

I remember Rivaldo winning the Ballon D'or in 99 as well when we won the treble. It's clearly not always given to the player who's the best player on the a CL winning teaming or the player who performed best at a international tournament although it can often swing it towards a players favour.

 

[Lord SInister]

Yes, Ronaldo won in 97, but not in 96, when he scored 47 goals , like Messi did in 2010. So if Ronaldo didn't win it in 96, Messi shouldn't have won it in 2010.

no he scored 47 goals in 1996-97 season, not in 1995-96. So argument doesn't stand.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Which 5 or 6 players?

 

[totaalvoetbal]

So who else would you say is on that "table"?

From this era, Lionel Messi and Xavi Hernandez

 

[BalanceUnAutreJoint]

2nd best player I have ever seen and greatest I have ever seen.

May not have Messi-like ability and is objectively not as good but no one does it like him on big CL nights and when his team needs him the most so for me he's still the greatest

 

[predator]

I think Ronaldo and Messi are the best players ever so far for many reasons mostly 2 major reasons
A) They were head and shoulders above anyone over the last decade and their stats were freaky.


B) simply I believe that the standard of football be it fitness, tactics, sports science, pressure, demands is exponentially increasing. I dont want to discredit the likes of Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Eusebio because I'm sure if they were born in 1985 they would be giving messi a run for his money.

So bluntly put I think Messi is the best ever with ronaldo coming comfortably second.

The only way I can explain how I see it would be like putting a royal marine from 1945 against a royal marine from 2021

 

[NasirTimothy]

I think Ronaldo and Messi are the best players ever so far for many reasons mostly 2 major reasons
A) They were head and shoulders above anyone over the last decade and their stats were freaky.


B) simply I believe that the standard of football be it fitness, tactics, sports science, pressure, demands is exponentially increasing. I dont want to discredit the likes of Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Eusebio because I'm sure if they were born in 1985 they would be giving messi a run for his money.

So bluntly put I think Messi is the best ever with ronaldo coming comfortably second.

The only way I can explain how I see it would be like putting a royal marine from 1945 against a royal marine from 2021

This is an argument that is frequently put, but it’s one I can’t get behind. If we follow your logic, the latest thing is always the best thing because of ‘advances in sports science’. The legends of 30 or 50 years from now will automatically be better than Messi and Ronaldo because of ‘advances’. Logically, this cannot be correct.

A great player from an earlier era can be better than a great player from this era or a future era. Pele is better than Messi and Ronaldo IMO because he could do all the things they can do and many things they can’t (e.g. he’s better with his weak foot and in the air than Messi; he was a much better dribbler and playmaker with a considerably higher football IQ than CR). If you transport Messi back to 1962, he’s still not gonna be good at headers.

The contextual differences don’t change these basic facts.

 

[abraz79]

For me, Cristiano Ronaldo is the GOAT.

Sure, sometime early in his career he started to optimize/streamline his gameplay to be an efficient goal scorer, not doing so much "circus" (word from van Nistelrooy) and that might make him less appealing for certain football admirers who rate highly the extra technical flair of other "virtuosos".

CR7 is technically good and pulled counteless times technical feats, but as years went by, he stopped caring about the showmanship.

When comparing to other great players in the past, I think we have to consider some factors: how long were they at their higher/peak level and how consistent were they, playing for different clubs and leagues. CR7 is 36 years old and is still playing at top level. Sure, he's more streamlined now, because 36 is 36 years old, but he's still at another level even comparing to other good 10 year younger players.

Another thing I apreciate on CR7 is that he has innate talent and a special physique that allows him to do what he does... But it's also the product of serious and hard work, since his youth. It's just not one of those cases where things are what they are because they just were born like that and it's just their nature. It's hard work and a steel mentality. Once again, it's innate talent and good genes too, I'm not saying that if everyone had the same mentality and work ethic as Ronaldo, they could achieve what he does.
I know this is actually something "off" for some football fans. They apreciate more the talent of players, that did great things, even as they were snorting coke and drowning themselves with alcohol. The sheer raw nature of their talent. But for me, to choose a GOAT, raw talent is not enough.

 

[Bogdannn]

Ronaldo’s 47 goal season was in 1997

It started in 96.

no he scored 47 goals in 1996-97 season, not in 1995-96. So argument doesn't stand.

My argument does stand. I know it was the 96-97 season that R9 scored 47 goals. But he was at Barcelona when he achieved that.
Sammer won the Ballon D'or that year.
R9 won the award next year, when he was at Inter.

 

[mshnsh]

For me 07/08 he was having best individual season I've ever seen from any player since L.Ronaldo, and clearly by far best player in the world. I mean, I have never seen a winger could score that amount of goals before that, 40+ goals in a season from the wing, while he was also most skillful player in the world at that time too, it just totally defies my knowledge and concept of football at that time. You know, back in those time, best strikers in the world were expected to have 20-30+ goals, while you won’t expect best winger in the world to score more than 10-15 goals. He was most skillful winger in the world, and he scored 42. To me, it’s revolutionary moment of football.

08/09 he isn't quite as good as 07/08, as he clearly had his head half in Madrid, but still world class and comfortably the 2nd best player in the world on performance alone (Messi was best).

Then 09/10 he was back to his 07/08 form but was injured at Madrid for months.

From 10-13, he was performing at his best ever level with unreal output, for me he has overtaken peak L.Ronaldo at that period, in terms of overall performances+end products, as he has everything (pace, skills, tricks, goals, long shots, header, freekick, athleticism, drive etc), but unfortunately not only he was competing with peak Messi during that period, he was also competing together with peak Xavi+iniesta and best ever Barca. Imagine if that has happened in other period of football, more people would have rated his peak higher.

Its only from 14-15 onwards, he is more focus on stats and trophies rather than performances, become less involved in build up play, but he enjoyed more success during that period.

Your comment about 07/08 is simply untrue in that he wasn't the most skillfull player in the world; just watch the matches vs Barcelona or for that matter any of the matches Messi played for Barca that season; head and shoulders above anything Cristiano produced. There were many matches where Cristianos only contribution was a goal; of the top of my head, Liverpool at home and Arsenal at home.

The only reason why Cristiano won the Ballondor that season was the number of goals he scored for a champions league winning team. Take away the titles and Messi was (as has always been the case) comfortably the better footballer.

PS: Cristiano's best season outside of goals was 06/07. 07/08 is the most hyped for his goals.

 

[2mufc0]

Your comment about 07/08 is simply untrue in that he wasn't the most skillfull player in the world; just watch the matches vs Barcelona or for that matter any of the matches Messi played for Barca that season; head and shoulders above anything Cristiano produced. There were many matches where Cristianos only contribution was a goal; of the top of my head, Liverpool at home and Arsenal at home.

The only reason why Cristiano won the Ballondor that season was the number of goals he scored for a champions league winning team. Take away the titles and Messi was (as has always been the case) comfortably the better footballer.

PS: Cristiano's best season outside of goals was 06/07. 07/08 is the most hyped for his goals.

Lay off whatever you are taking, Ronaldo 07/08 is probably the best individual performance in PL history.

 

[mshnsh]

My top 10 (from the players I have seen):

1.Messi ( unbelievable talent: historically elite level goalscoring + dribbling + play making all in one, longevity and consistency)

2.Maradona (Messi minus the goals, while 86)

3.Ronaldo brazil ( power, magical skills, goals)

4. Ronaldinho (Magical skills and creativity)

5. Cristiano ( historically elite level goal scoring + longevity); If longevity is the main consideration than I'd have him second.

6.Xavi (Greatest central mid I have seen)

7.Iniesta ( Greatest number 8 I have seen)

8. Zidane ( Skillfull, all in a touch, big game player)

9.Van Basten

10.Henry ( The greatest premier league footballer)

 

[mshnsh]

Lay off whatever you are taking, Ronaldo 07/08 is probably the best individual performance in PL history.

Simply NO. There were many matches where the only thing he contributed was a goal or two. Suarez, Salah and Henry have had better seasons.

 

[2mufc0]

Simply NO. There were many matches where the only thing he contributed was a goal or two. Suarez, Salah and Henry have had better seasons.

If you truly believe that there's no point discussing it further.

 

[Chekov]

The thing with C Ronaldo is that he only has his goals. If he doesnt score he is one of the worst players on pitch. He never were a teamplayer. Still incredible goalscorer but a tier below players like Maradona, Messi, Cruyff, Platini, Beckenbauer

 

[Lord SInister]

It started in 96.



My argument does stand. I know it was the 96-97 season that R9 scored 47 goals. But he was at Barcelona when he achieved that.
Sammer won the Ballon D'or that year.
R9 won the award next year, when he was at Inter.

Now you are just trolling.