He also threw the domestic cups away and only got through a tight CL group because of the slightest of head to head margins, on GD they would have not made it. And that group wasn't the strongest either: PSG, Napoli, Red Star. Certainly not the same as a finalist and semi-finalist from the last year's competition.
It doesn't counter the point at all because you are mentioning some players who are declining, some ageing that can't even play week in week out, some young players that are not in their prime yet. You need to stop forgetting or purposely ignoring what I posted and I'll be gladly repeat them specifically with bold mark (below) to remind you so they will stuck into your head forever.
You’re confusing the years.
Ha, it’s easy to become negative at times I suppose, I just try to enjoy the ride, happy ish so far.Thats ok, thanks for saying sorry, no worries. I probably do come across as negative because I'm not happy with Ole as our manager and most of my posts are about that. I made the same mistake of posting too much when Moyes was manager and got the Anti Scottish tag..
If he gets 2nd at the end of the season, there is no point in sacking him then. I still do not think he is going to win the PL or the CL and the biggest issue for me is not Ole himself as per but his coaching staff hence it is his responsibility. He may not get the players he wants but sure for heck he can get better and more experienced coaches than Carrick and McKenna.
How does spurs players improving our squad has anything to do with what I wrote? I was comparing Poch's spurs vs Mou's Spurs. The difference between their squads is that they were 1 year older, they didnt lost anyone important in the summer after.
Again read the post I wrote I never said anything about Ole, you're just assuming stuff. Any way moving on.
Except for the trophies, the style of football, the pressing and the setting high standards.
That makes it worse then. Because it is even much easier group stage of UCL and they had the same amount of wins (3) as ours this season in UCL.
What?
I agree but the addition of fletcher and promotion of the two scottish guys implies we are stuck in this "traditional" style of people and football. We had a slight taste of an old van gaal and it was boring so people are turned off "philosophy" managers. It'd be much easier to swallow all this talk of progress if we were playing a modern style of football and keeping up with the tactical innovational happening over the past decade.
It is just to make sure you don't say biased again when I complimented that Spurs squad. Even 1 year older is still big difference. John Terry was in PFA TOTY in 14/15, following season not the same player anymore, massive declined.
So we have the same point but you called mine as biased?
The thread is about Ole.
For the sake of it: would you be so kind to at least give some more in-depth explanation about the particular influence of the current manager in the improvement of one particular player. Bullet points might be enough, you seem so sure about it, so there must be some striking things.
My apologies, I fecked up the columns in my source.
So there it is. We only need to add one great player. The question is only for which position. So I guess we will repeat that vicious circle for a while.
What? It might be irrelevant for the size of the trophy, that's true. But it is certainly not irrelevant when trying to evaluate the job of your squad and/or manager. With all due respect - that statement feels insane to me.
Agree. Feels almost as if people are traumatized and filed that experience under "Thats what you get if you hire top managers".
They got to the Champions League final and we went out at the first hurdle but because we had the same number of wins in the group stages they’re comparable campaigns?
I didnt call you biased I said the argument of "proper squad" is biased. Which it is, is like the "team of winners" argument, no one is a winner until you're finaly one. The fact they reached the final proves they're good enough, but it the same squad wouldn't reached the final does that makes them not "proper"?
Doesn't mean that my argument is directed towards him, again you made assumptions.
Sorry what trophies did they win in Klopp’s first 2 full seasons at Liverpool?
The whole reason people talk about Top 4 is due to the CL. Klopp got Liverpool to the CL final while Ole got knocked out of the CL at the first hurdle. First hurdle vs final is quite dissimilar.
You are obviously not interested in a discussion and on this forum just for trolling. You can easily understand from my post there are other achievements beside the league position and POINTS. Did Leicester win the treble? No so your case is irrelevant.
Ha, it’s easy to become negative at times I suppose, I just try to enjoy the ride, happy ish so far.
tones hard to get across but it was only said in jest, like I had a oh yeah I must have got the right name moment when I seen those from so many years ago
So they can be compared then? You’re saying It all comes down to the fact that Klopp got to a final and lost and Ole didn’t get to a Final. 3rd is better than 4th and 2nd is better than 4th. The facts are they both didn’t win any trophies and Ole finished higher than Klopp did in the table. I hope you’ll say Ole has outperformed Klopp this season if we win a trophy seeing as winning a trophy is better than getting to the final and losing.
Is Ole winning the CL next season? If you guarantee that for me, I will absolutely jump on the Ole wagon.
This season we ultimately crashed out due to losing to Istanbul Basaksehir, so this excuse doesn't hold up very well.
What? we lost against a Turkish side that lost all the other matches in the group.
These are literally two posts from you in the space of about an hour where you completely contradict yourself.
You did cap the rest of the post. And still irrelevant. Leicester did not win the treble. Try harder.
No - you’ve just tied yourself in knots trying to argue something stupid.
But because of the difficulty of the group, we weren't able to correct that. As in, had it been say malmo instead of RBL in pot 3, we could have gotten the 3 points required to progress there
We need more than an incredible man manager though.
No! The cancer will just spread even more all over the rest of the forum then!
I'd prefer it if this thread wasn't visible to non-members, though. It's embarrassing as a United supporter to know that one of the most respected United forums with a fecking newbie system to filter out the morons has such shitty takes blasted all over the front page.I dont know how old are you, but obviously you have a hard time understanding. In the post it was obvious I was talking about the achievement of Klopp reaching the CL final while Ole got knocked out of the champions league. You ignore that but as usual you tend to find silly arguments in a big discussion. When I was talking about the points vs position it was pretty obvious it is a better measurement tool as a progress in the league compared to each other specially within the same timeframe not 17 years apart comparing a team 1999 to a 2016. Because as the rest of the post ( that you chose to ignore because you know what you are) I was talking about the what Klopp achieved compared to Ole NOT only the points. Bringing Leicester compared to united is stupid , a team won the league while the other fought on the different competitions at the same time, how is that comparable?
If you don't like what's being posted in this thread, don't open it. If this thread gets locked, lots of Ole threads will pop up.
I already know what Cardiff fans think of him. What do Molde fans think of him?We need more than an incredible man manager though.
We need a manager who can decide games by making key substitutions, making players better, implementing an offensive style of football not this tumescent shit we get served every week.
Ole was lying when he said he was going to attack in his first pressers that's why I don't trust him, he's nothing more than a politician and the perfect foil for the Glazers and Woodward's regime, they are a match made in heaven !
Go ask Molde and Cardiff fans what they think of Ole
Just a temp like. To stop all the weird hysterical nonsense.
The cancer...No! The cancer will just spread even more all over the rest of the forum then!
It's already bad enough as it is. At least now there's an "attempt" to gather all the shit in one location, even if that's not really true
Thats not how forums work. Looks like you haven't grown up since you first registered.
Actually that is not that far from the truth. He really has made the players very confident and we rarely are completely out of games. Problem is that is just one part of what should be required to be the manager of a club like United. You need the tactical aspect of it as well. Ole is average on that front. If he gets rid of our current coaching staff and brings in more tactically adept coaches, this might actually work long term.
What on earth are you talking about? I never mentioned how forums work. If this thread gets locked, there won't be a place to talk about Ole and as such, posters will open threads about him.
It seems ignore-lists are essentially creating two different redcafe experiences. One is an Ole-in site in which there are no posts negative of Ole. Second has a lot of negativity about Ole and people with "99" or "Ole" in their username are fighting against it.
Thumbs up.
