Ole and his dross signings

[Rajma]

Should he be accountable for wasting an absolute fortune on a total dross?

Maguire - £ 80M
AWB - £ 50M
James - £ 15M
VDB - £ 45M

That’s around £ 200M on players that have either barely improved us or have done nothing at all, yet people are comfortable with giving him another summer of spending to mask his coaching inability?

 

[charlenefan]

Why ignore Bruno, Telles and Cavani? He signed them as well

 

[MiceOnMeth]

LVG signed dross
Mou signed dross
And now Ole is signing dross
Is this really the case or are we just hiring past-it managers and managers who just aren't good enough for our ambitions?

 

[Galactic]

The price tags were not his doing, to be fair to him.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Maguire was arguably our best player alongside Shaw before today.
Beek has comfortably been the most underwhelming signing but we'll use him in a deal in the summer so..

 

[padzilla]

The only transfer he has got right has been Bruno. The rest are all questionable and that is being generous.

 

[Offside]

Maguire was arguably our best player alongside Shaw before today.
Beek has comfortably been the most underwhelming signing but we'll use him in a deal in the summer so..

Maguire was terrible - what nonsense. Telles and Greenwood were miles better.

 

[hubbuh]

Why ignore Bruno, Telles and Cavani? He signed them as well

Does Telles count as a hit? I'd say Bruno and Cavani are the only hits, with the caveat that Cavani has only played about 20 twenty bloody games.

 

[AshRK]

Apart from vdb, other three have done reasonably well. But if we want to be reactionary then yes everyone today were dross.

 

[sugar_kane]

Saying Maguire and AWB haven’t improved us not really true at all. They are quality players. I also think James is a fine squad player. Oh and Bruno.

Last Summer’s signings on the other hand were diabolical:

DVB - doesn’t fit the style at all, not a clue what we were thinking there
Telles - below average full back, exists purely to light a fire under Shaw (which has worked) but way below the standard we need for effective rotation
Cavani - thought he was going to surprise us but can’t remember his last good game and he already wants to leave, and I don’t think he will be much of a loss
Pellisitri - pointless
Amad - barely any first team experience and wasn’t eligible to play until Jan, might prove to be a good signing but not really much use for this season

^all the above combined make me think of an LVG summer window, bewildering and mediocre

 

[Rossa]

Maguire was terrible - what nonsense. Telles and Greenwood were miles better.

Read the post - before today.

 

[Mickeza]

3/4 of his big signings are absolute mainstays in the team. James as an 18m punt isn’t that bad either tbh - useful squad player. I have not got a scooby what they were doing signing Donny though.

 

[MU655]

I wouldn't exactly say Cavani is a hit either. The guy has been injured more times than not. He has been about what was expected: a bit of a crock.

 

[rron10]

Till now, I would rate Ole's signings like this:

Maguire: 7/10
AWB: 7/10
Bruno: 9/10
VDB: 1/10
James: 3/10
Telles: 5/10
Cavani: 6/10

 

[padzilla]

Cavani has not had that big an impact but I think it’s testament to how truly awful Martial has been that a journeyman striker in his mid 30s, who is barely ever fit, is seen as the better option by so many.

 

[talking robot]

The real question here is whether he is actually being backed in the transfer market. I highly doubt it.

 

[Rajma]

3/4 of his big signings are absolute mainstays in the team. James as an 18m punt isn’t that bad either tbh - useful squad player. I have not got a scooby what they were doing signing Donny though.

Mainstain does not equal being good enough, does it? Would any those mentioned players start for City / Bayern / Real?

 

[Eli Zee]

Should he be accountable for wasting an absolute fortune on a total dross?

Maguire - £ 80M
AWB - £ 50M
James - £ 15M
VDB - £ 45M

That’s around £ 200M on players that have either barely improved us or have done nothing at all, yet people are comfortable with giving him another summer of spending to mask his coaching inability?

Out of that list, I only see VDB as being a total waste. James was cheap and fills a role - even if it's limited. AWB and Maguire both are good, even if expensive. Not best value for money but still good.

Cavani, Bruno and telles are not mentioned here. I see you are trying to make Ole's signings look worse than they actually are.

he should be held accountable for recruiting pretty good players tbh.

 

[Rajma]

Apart from vdb, other three have done reasonably well. But if we want to be reactionary then yes everyone today were dross.

Reasonable well if we aim to compete for the top 4, not for the biggest trophies.

 

[Eli Zee]

Mainstain does not equal being good enough, does it? Would any those mentioned players start for City / Bayern / Real?

That doesn't really mean anything, does it? We aren't on city/Bayern/real level. Literally none of our players would make it into all 3 of those starting sides.

these signings clearly improved our squad. It didn't take us to the level of city/Bayern/Madrid, but I wouldn't think we could get that good over2 windows. It takes time to sign the right players and build a squad that is consistently top tier, considering where we started when ole took over and the fact we don't have owners willing to splurge on players like other clubs do.

 

[Flying_Heckfish]

How is AWB dross? He's a brilliant one-on-one defender, and an absolute mainstay in the back four. He may not be a marauding wing back, but imagine where we'd be without him. He absolutely improves us, or have you forgotten who we were selecting before him?

Now VDB, there's some real dross. One of the worst signings we've ever made, and that's saying something with the number of duds we've had recently.

 

[hungrywing]

There's a very, very large chance that VDB was a Woodward signing.

 

[King Eric 7]

I don't think you can attribute every signing to whoever is managing the club at the time. Sure, they will express their preference to the club but it's been clear for us at least that some of our past signings have not been the manager's pick at all.

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

Must admit to finding the attempts on here to paint the summer window as a victory for squad depth to be quite bemusing at the time

 

[Andycoleno9]

Maguire is a awful signing. 80 mil for a just solid defender is a awful business. 50 mil for full back whos (when in ball possession) second touch is tackle is also bad transfer.
James is championship player. Not rotation player, not useful player. He is out of depth at this level.
Bruno is a hit.
VDB. Why you buy a player who you don't know to use?
Cavani is ok signing but not a hit.
Telles is ok.

 

[sp_107]

We finished 3rd last season....Great ...where were the improvements in summer ?

On top of that, front-3 losing form didnt help this season.

Tbis may be questionable but every top team have a better creater in Fred place, I think we are misssig that spark in middle of the Park

 

[Redlyn]

If we didn't have this "big club so we can afford it" mentality we would spend a lot smarter. There are tons of good players changing clubs for reasonable money every season and we never get in on it. We insist on spending record breaking money for solid but not world class players.

 

[Green_Red]

It's not fair on DVB to not play him for weeks at a time and then drop him into an FA Cup quarter final. Even I know that and I know feck all about football management. Leicester are pushing us for 2nd in the league, play your best team in a quarter final. Simple stuff...

 

[Gopher Brown]

Should he be accountable for wasting an absolute fortune on a total dross?

Maguire - £ 80M
AWB - £ 50M
James - £ 15M
VDB - £ 45M

That’s around £ 200M on players that have either barely improved us or have done nothing at all, yet people are comfortable with giving him another summer of spending to mask his coaching inability?

None of them are dross you reactionary bullshitter

 

[Rajma]

That doesn't really mean anything, does it? We aren't on city/Bayern/real level. Literally none of our players would make it into all 3 of those starting sides.

these signings clearly improved our squad. It didn't take us to the level of city/Bayern/Madrid, but I wouldn't think we could get that good over2 windows. It takes time to sign the right players and build a squad that is consistently top tier, considering where we started when ole took over and the fact we don't have owners willing to splurge on players like other clubs do.

Mate you get that those signings weren’t some 20-30m punts? That some 200M + worth of signings on 4 players that have no chance of them ever being good enough for best teams, does that sound normal to you? It’s incredible what I sometimes read on here.

 

[Charlie Foley]

LVG signed cross
Mou signed dross
And now Ole is signing dross
Is this really the case or are we just hiring past-it managers and managers who just aren't good enough for our ambitions?

LVG signed dross. The crossing was Moyes

 

[Longshanks]

Should he be accountable for wasting an absolute fortune on a total dross?

Maguire - £ 80M
AWB - £ 50M
James - £ 15M
VDB - £ 45M

That’s around £ 200M on players that have either barely improved us or have done nothing at all, yet people are comfortable with giving him another summer of spending to mask his coaching inability?

Maguire and A.W.B have definitely improved us overpriced maybe but the defence is far better now than what it was before there signings, james output for 15m has been decent enough he was very much a cheap punt and hasnt exactly let us down.

Van de beek looks a little lost and currently looks like a poor signing there is clearly a good player in there but he is struggling to adjust to his new surroundings, might yet come good for us deserves a little more time .

So basically your talking out of your behind, maybe a little emotional after today's dissapointinment?

 

[Ludens the Red]

Overall. If you talk purely value for money, id rate them as poor to average signings to the one exceptional signing.

Maguire and Wan Bissaka are clear upgrades on what we had BUT for the money spent on them you expect and could have gotten much better.

James was a punt and I think overall has done okay. It’s not like there are many class 18 million signings about.

Bruno - success

Telles was fairly cheap. He’s not particularly good and I feel we maybe should have looked at a more athletic and young full back but our scouting and ability to identify low profile talent is abysmal.

VDB - nothing against the player but heads should be rolling on this one. Considering we have Pogba and Bruno and have three very limited central midfielders, not spending this money on upgrading in that area of the pitch is an abomination.

It took me three matches and some highlights on YouTube to figure out VdB is very much a ‘system’ player and is not at all suited to United and our mish mash style of play . YET an entire entity like Man United and its recruitment team weren’t capable of seeing this. An absolute shambles of a transfer.

 

[M Bison]

VdB aside, all are an upgrade on what we had, and even VdB I think will improve next season.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

We’ve made about 3 good signings since 2013. There’s a massive problem with our scouting & recruitment team. As much as I think Ole’s out of his depth, the problem goes beyond him.

 

[AshRK]

Reasonable well if we aim to compete for the top 4, not for the biggest trophies.

But that doesn't make them dross does it?

 

[Solius]

Maguire was terrible - what nonsense. Telles and Greenwood were miles better.

He said before today. He’s been in great form.

 

[bosnian_red]

Maguire is an excellent centerback. Yes he was overpriced but we got a very good player out of it. Rather that then 30m on Lindelof, 30m on Bailly, and so on.

Wan Bissaka as well as an excellent right back and is young. James was 15m for a squad player young winger, he's had his good and useful moments, he wasn't bought to be a key player. If we sell him we'll get more than what we paid.

Van de Beek is a waste so far, yes.

 

[Rajma]

But that doesn't make them dross does it?

It makes it that way if 200M barely gets you anywhere when we were already competing for the top 4.

 

[SAFMUTD]

We’ve made about 3 good signings since 2013. There’s a massive problem with our scouting & recruitment team. As much as I think Ole’s out of his depth, the problem goes beyond him.

Totally, also we tend to overpay for medium players, I mean I can understand the fees paid for everyone except AWB and Maguire. Why pay worldclass fees for average players? Specially the Maguire case is really weird.