I am sure Brendan is a much better manager than Ole, would take a swap in a heartbeat. Leicester fans, however, would riot if their gaffer was to be replaced with OGS. I will not be surprised if Leicester finish above us, while we bottle in EL as well.
Brendan Rodgers | Rejoins Celtic on 3 year deal
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Thank you! Exactly my point. I have reported this member for throwing out wild accusations relating to race.
I maintain, if he was an 'exotic' Nationality, I would wager that most of our fans would be all over him! That is obviously an opinion, but on no level is that racist. I think this poster must be a millennial (I work with them), who is offended if someone looks at them the wrong way!
I like Brendan, think he would do well with united and with more money and supposedly better players but didn’t we say that about Moyes. Brendan had a better style of play, I’ll give him that
Where do you get this from?
here’s some mouth watering signings he’s brought in with some money
https://www.lfchistory.net/Transfers/ByManager/25/1
And why on earth is he more driven than any other manager
I like Rodgers and wouldn’t mind him as our next manager if Ole left. But anyone claiming he would have us much closer to City is daydreaming. How much closer would he have us? Much closer would mean we would be in a title race with City. Rodgers is nowhere close to Pep’s level and our squad is nowhere close to theirs.
At best you could say the first 11 are comparable (and even then they beat us easily in centre midfield), but beyond first 11 it’s no contest. In some games recently we had only attacking teenagers with barely any first team experience on the bench (Amad, Shola). Whereas on City’s bench every game they have at least 3-4 attacking players who could start a lot of games for us.
Rodgers has also “bottled” stuff, end of last season and several 1st round EL exits (people call Ole a bottler because of semi final exits, then it’s only fair to call Rodgers the same because of 1st round EL exits).
So while I rate him I can’t think of any reason how he would have us much closer to City. Unless he would have made sure that Pogba and Cavani were never injured and Rashford was also always fit and not carrying injuries, because we don’t have any replacements for them. But taking into account Leicester’s regular injury crisis I wouldn’t know how he would avoid injuries at United.
At best you could say the first 11 are comparable (and even then they beat us easily in centre midfield), but beyond first 11 it’s no contest. In some games recently we had only attacking teenagers with barely any first team experience on the bench (Amad, Shola). Whereas on City’s bench every game they have at least 3-4 attacking players who could start a lot of games for us.
Rodgers has also “bottled” stuff, end of last season and several 1st round EL exits (people call Ole a bottler because of semi final exits, then it’s only fair to call Rodgers the same because of 1st round EL exits).
So while I rate him I can’t think of any reason how he would have us much closer to City. Unless he would have made sure that Pogba and Cavani were never injured and Rashford was also always fit and not carrying injuries, because we don’t have any replacements for them. But taking into account Leicester’s regular injury crisis I wouldn’t know how he would avoid injuries at United.
I don’t think that list proves the point you’re trying to make.
Sturridge - £12 million
Gomez - £6 million
Origi - £9.8 million
Ings - £8 million
Coutinho - £8.5 million
Milner - Free
Firmino - £29 million
Those are all either good or fantastic bits of business. The Coutinho signing in particular given the level of contribution he had while at Liverpool and the fact that selling him funded Van Dijk and Alisson.
Most of the big misses (Benteke, Allen, Sakho) they sold for similar prices to what they paid for.
There’s definitely some shockers on there but what manager doesn’t have blots on their transfer record?
Yeah I wouldn’t pay that poster much attention, the idea that your post was racist is idiotic.
I’d have to argue against calling people out as millennials though given I’d qualify as one.
How do you have it as 7 Leicester players to 4 United players, if we have scored more goals than you, conceded the same number of goals (11 in our first 3 btw) and have more points. Also worth noting people are saying Ole is doing an average job, while Rodgers is doing the lord's work. You even reluctantly included Shaw and Pogba, so there is a chance you'd have 9 players according to you.
Can't have it both ways, if Leicester have better players then how can Rodgers be doing that great a job. The post from @Spiersey was spot on except for AWB and Peirera IMO.
Well done, you picked out 6 or 7 in a list of over 30 players... conveniently ignoring the Fabio Borini's and Joe Allen's (Welsh Xavi)... and what does selling them on for a similar fee has anything to do with his transfer acumen? Do you think if he were United manager, he'd have the same privilege of selling on his duds for a similar fee ?
Oh definitely Rodgers. Though Solskjaer has gone up in my estimation from "hopeless" to "maybe he's alright".
I guess the pertinent question would be, if i'd give Leicester more players from a combined XI, and a better manager, then why are United still ahead on points over Leicester (and indeed last season)?
I suppose the answer is
1. Bruno Fernandes. Let's face it, he would be the first name on either team sheet. I'd say a lot of Leicester / United players, you could probably argue the toss over who'd make it into a team, but Fernandes gets into any team in the league. He must be worth a ridiculous amounts of points in a season.
2. We've had a ridiculous injury crisis in both of the past 2 seasons. Just in our back line we've had Evans, Soyuncu, Fofana, Ricardo, Castagne, and Justin all out for significant periods this season. I can only think of Tielemans, Albrighton, Iheanacho and Kasper that haven't been out so far (and 2 of those aren't usually starters).
3. Strength in depth. Our first XI's might be close, but you have a much stronger squad in general. It means that injuries / rotation doesn't leave to as much a drop off in quality as it does for us.
To be fair, I probably also over-rated some of our players a tad too. Probably because I try and block some of the poor games from my memory.
When was the last time Leicester were able to actually play their strongest XI?
It's 2019.
The fact that we have had N'didi, Justin, Fofana, Soyuncu, Evans, Castagne, and Ricardo all out for long lay-offs this season and *still* conceded the same amount of goals as you, isn't a point in United's favour.
I'll give you goals scored, but I've made it clear I think United have a stronger attack. You lot complain about Martial, but you don't have Ayoze Perez, ffs.
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Every manager should try to do that and get as much money back as possible (or at least don't waste to much of the salary budget on them for to long). This is something were United is failing in the last years, collecting deadwood instead of having a budget to really get better players. It's just bad business to keep players you don't need.
It's not a privilege to sell the duds, it is the job of the manager - and if Rodgers does this, while Ole does give contract extensions to questionable players he is better than Ole (at least in that regard).
Is it though? The manager makes the decisions on whether to keep or sell a player, other people do the business behind the scenes. I don't think they even control how much to spend on a certain player, though they will obviously have a valuation and watch how they spend their budget. The point is that whether it's because of our reputation, or how we are run as a club, or a combination of both, I dont think the prices would be the same if he were trying to offload a dud who failed at United. Also, Ole did get rid of a ton of deadwood, and imo he inherited a far more broken and unbalanced squad than Rodgers did at Leicester, or any Chelsea manager, etc, but thats not necessarily the discussion at hand...
Thanks.
Anytime.
Ok - Brendan actually did the biggest bottle of all time last year but let’s ignore it as it’s more convenient.
Fair enough, you should back your own. But, hand on heart, the only united defender I see getting in, is Shaw, and that's only because Justin is injured. He is younger, quicker and amazingly versatile. Harry is no way budging any of our centre backs, Evans made him look good. As for Wan Bissaka, a full back who gets nose bleeds in rhe opposition half, is no kind of full back in the modern game. Castagne every time, until Ricardo returns to his previous, near world class level. Bruno, with Ndidi and Tillemans behind him would be the choice midfield. Cavani, Vardy and Rashford up top. Martial would be no where near this team. That all said, my specs are probably as blue, as yours are red.
Yeah, its a weird take. Their run in is a a shitshow as well so theres every chance theyll miss out in top 4 again.
Are Leicester out of place in 5th? Is that a huge achievement?
Cheap shot trying to twist the posters argument into something remotely racist, we all know what he means.
Some posters were joking with the hipster thing, but he clearly meant it when he suggested that some of our fans views are prejudiced based on ethnicity. Which is a rather narrow minded view, if not absolute nonsense. If anything it's his past Liverpool connections that would go against him for our fans, and the fact that he acted like a cringe clown at times back then. To suggest that he would legitimately be higher rated if he were a different nationality is absurd.
I’m a Chelsea fan in fairness, and I like Leicester a lot more than I like United
Schooled Ole amd has navigated an injury list as big as Liverpools without skipping a beat.
Nice edit from skin colour to ethnicity so that your criticism doesn’t immediately fall over itself.
The poster was clearly implying that if Rodgers was a German manager in charge of Mönchengladbach and producing the performances and results that he’s achieved with Leicester people would be more enamoured with him at the moment than they currently are.
It was maybe a little clumsily worded but the sentiment of it rings true enough. To label it racist was absolutely ridiculous.
Racism is clearly a sensitive topic so throwing around unwarranted accusations is not cool.
Please move on as the matter has been resolved with the posters in question.
Please move on as the matter has been resolved with the posters in question.
Pathetic, awful, stupid. All words used in a single post. Calm the feck down, no need to be so aggressive. If everyone posted in that tone it would be a war zone out here not a discussion forum.
I'm not convinced he is necessarily the one to help us match City or take us to deep in the CL. He has had a mixed bag of signings like pretty much your average manager. Nothing exceptional there. I certainly don't know all the managers our there but I hope we can get someone with experience at the highest level.
I wanted Rodgers over Arteta at Arsenal even though he does look like a fecking gargoyle and has weird lips.
I thought he'd have the nous to fix our defence quite quickly which was the number one problem.
I thought he'd have the nous to fix our defence quite quickly which was the number one problem.
So you are saying rodgers is underperforming with the squad as United will less talented squad are above them.
I've answered this a few times now, so I will make my response brief.
I didn't say United have a less talented squad, as a squad is more than a first XI. United have a stronger squad. Also saying I'd have more Leicester players in a first XI doesn't necessarily mean it's "less talented" - a lot of those Leicester players you could probably swap for United players and not notice much difference (for example, while I prefer the Leicester CB's, you could put Maguire in there and not notice a huge difference) whereas some United players are clearly a level above what we have (eg. Bruno or an on-form Pogba).
But most importantly, Leicester haven't been able to play our "strongest XI" since about December 2019, because we've had ridiculous injury after injury ever since.
So no, considering not our hypothetical best XI, but the squad we've actually had available this season, Rodgers is not under performing.
For me neither do Leicester have a better squad than United nor is Rodgers underperforming. I feel Rodgers is doing a much better job than Ole. Yes Leicester have a good set of players and I feel most of your players will start for us but overall squad, United's a bit better.
Nothing against your post just that I found your original post a bit odd. Your current post makes much more sense. Thanks for the reply.
I disagree with your assessment, but I shouldn't have dropped the R word lightly. If you see this then hopefully you might unblock me someday.
Rodgers is doing much better job than Ole but somehow is still below in the league than Utd atm and finished outside top 4 last year.
Also crashed out of Europa while Ole is still in it.
Someone will have to explain it.
We’re doing well in second. Leicester are only a point behind us and we still have to play each other. 3rd place is is an equally good achievement for them given the quality and cost of the respective squads.
The second part of your post seems poorly-timed given they just knocked us out of the other competition we were both in.
To have this Leicester side in top 3 is a good achievement for Rodgers, so in that comparison he is doing better than not only Ole but all other manager in the league bar Pep or maybe Moyes this season. Doesn't mean Ole is not doing a good job himself.
The Europa league was my preemptive pushback to the FA cup
If Leicster finish above Liverpool, I guess you would say that Brendan is better than Klopp given the quality and cost of the Liverpool squad ?
That’s a nice straw man you’ve constructed there.
What would you consider a good achievement for Leicester this season?
Yeah, I agree. First XI for First XI, I don't think there's too much in it, but we don't have the depth that you do, so injuries and rotation hits the quality of our squad that much harder.
I don't think Ole has done too bad a job, but I think he's been made to look much better by the fact that nearly every top team has absolutely fallen to pieces this season. Based on our performances this season, Leicester wouldn't be near the top 4 in any "normal" season. I don't think we pass the "eye" test, but I think this is where Rodgers deserves credit, because he's scraped wins - even if they're ugly wins - with a threadbare squad, and had to adapt to find a new way to play at various points this season, based on our injuries (eg. hence the current 3-4-1-2, to utilise Vardy, Perez and Nacho).
Rodgers has also worked at two clubs where the expectation is to win every single game. A lot of people can never properly get to grips with that level of pressure. No disrespect to Everton but Moyes was coming from a totally different culture to what Liverpool, Celtic and Man United have and I think he definitely struggled with that. I don't think he fully understood it.
No, not at all. His squad was decimated with injuries. He has knocked us out of FA cup and is just a point behind us in the prem. We will see how the season ends. Will not be surprised to see his team finish above us.
He's a good manager, not very likeable, who had a lot of learning on the job with us.
He didn't deal well with the pressure. I think Stoke especially kinda broke him for us and his dealings with the club were somewhat unsavory to me. He'll do anything to save his job I believe.
I also think he's learned from his successes at celtic and Leicester. He's clearly better than solskjaer. I don't know that he's good enough to clean up your mess, but put him at a more well run top club, I think he'd do really well. Think he'd have been an excellent choice for Chelsea had they not gone for tuchel.
The football he had us playing in 13/14 is still probably the most entertaining run of match day experiences I've ever had.
I'm not so sure about Chelsea considering their history with managers. Sure he would have done well with them initially but not so sure about long-term. I think he would have been perfect at Arsenal. I am sure he would do a lot better with their current group of players than Arteta. It will be interesting to see if he goes back to Liverpool after Klopp leaves.