Brendan Rodgers | Rejoins Celtic on 3 year deal

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Who cares what Liverpool think. Not me certainly.
I think about Manchester United and what is best for them.
And if Rogers was able to make us more successful, and I believe that to be the case, then we should have the best man for the job.
And what has Ole won by the way.
OBVIOUSLY we wouldnt make a decision based on what Liverpool think. I'm just making a statement that they'll love it. You bothered to quote me to state the obvious, congrats.

And whats your point on the last one, it's irrelevant. We are trying to replace Ole with a world class manager not play a game of "who else has won nothing of note".
 

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OBVIOUSLY we wouldnt make a decision based on what Liverpool think. I'm just making a statement that they'll love it. You bothered to quote me to state the obvious, congrats.

And whats your point on the last one. We are trying to improve on Ole not play a game of "who else has won nothing of note".
No you are absolutely right. Rodgers is usually well rated by neutrals, especially when he gets Leicester a good result, but almost every liverpool fan i've seen usually scoffs at this praise. Not to say they hate him, there is still some respect, but I think they know him better than everyone else.
 

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SPI is calculated on the basis of their performance. Squad value is just one of the pieces that is used as an input in calculating SPI. The others are Shot xG (for and against) and non shot xG (for and against). If anything, it shows that they're overachieving relative to their performances
Before a season begins, a team’s SPI ratings are based on two factors: its ratings at the end of the previous season, and its market value as calculated by Transfermarkt (a site that assigns a monetary value to each player, based on what they would fetch in a transfer). We’ve found that a team’s market value — relative to their league’s average value — is strongly correlated with its end-of-season SPI rating. Thus, we use these market values to infer each team’s preseason SPI rating.

I took that from their site:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/methodology/how-our-club-soccer-predictions-work/

While the SPI adjusts during the season by performances, not results but performances, at the beggining of the season the SPI is calculated from the past season performances and squad value. I think the SPI is a good way to meassure a team's squad quality.
 

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Good manager, got leicester playing well, no massive ego. Quite like him, despite him being ex liverpool
 

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OBVIOUSLY we wouldnt make a decision based on what Liverpool think. I'm just making a statement that they'll love it. You bothered to quote me to state the obvious, congrats.

And whats your point on the last one. We are trying to improve on Ole not play a game of "who else has won nothing of note".
Well if you read your post to which I was responding, you would see.
You were the one who mentioned that Rogers has not won anything.
I really don't know why some people get so aggressive in their responses.
We are all on the same side, or should be.
 

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Yeah, 100%. It’s crazy the way people so often try to absolve the manager from any responsibility to make players play better. It’s one of the main parts of their job description. And we see it everywhere, with every underperforming manager, ever. “We need to sign x, y and z, then we’ll be good”.

Meanwhile, the really top managers take players that cost very little or came through an academy and make them look like elite footballers. Poch did it at Spurs, Rodgers is doing it at Leicester. The last manager at Manchester United capable of this sort of alchemy was Sir Alex Ferguson. Literally nobody has managed it since he retired.
In general, I think you can tell something's wrong when people start saying that certain players are just bad at basic things. Anyone at Man Utd has made their way through an extremely competitive youth system (at whichever club) and belongs to the top a-few-thousand active football players in the world. There is no way they have poor football skills; they are awesome at the basics. So if they can't control the ball or complete short passes during a match, it's not that they're worse than even I ever was, something else is going on.

I don't watch a lot of football these days and have no idea how United's players are doing individually, but a comment like 'Fred is poor at playing football and there is nothing the manager can do about it' makes absolutely zero sense to me.
 

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I think thats harsh critism of Rodgers regarding pressure. I think hes developed quite a bit since Liverpool, especially defensively. Rodgers is a better manager than all 3 managers we had before Ole too.

Saying that I don’t believe Rodgers gets us better than second this season, which Ole can still do
It probably is harsh but my point was more that just because he’s set up Leicester well and they are doing well it doesn’t mean he’s a shoe in to make us better. We’ve had better tactically minded coaches than Ole before him and imo havnt done as well as Ole, I know they won a small trophy within two years but you have to take in consideration where we were as a team and cup
opponents.

Rogers has shown he can play good football and get good results, I don’t think he has shown anything regarding handling pressure or dealing with injuries to say he’d walk into United and do a better job, I think that’s a massive stretch.

Its a totally different prospect managing United and having to be in for every competition and having to rotate a squad while expecting to always win, to managing a smaller club with a first eleven, honour of cups early no pressure and ready made injury excuses when you havnt got your main eleven available

I’ll add that I think Rogers his a fantastic manager and has done well where ever he’s gone, I just don’t think he has what it takes to manage at such a behemoth as United, the pressure on each fixture no doubt gets in heads and will feck with your head re tactics etc
 

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In general, I think you can tell something's wrong when people start saying that certain players are just bad at basic things. Anyone at Man Utd has made their way through an extremely competitive youth system (at whichever club) and belongs to the top a-few-thousand active football players in the world. There is no way they have poor football skills; they are awesome at the basics. So if they can't control the ball or complete short passes during a match, it's not that they're worse than even I ever was, something else is going on.

I don't watch a lot of football these days and have no idea how United's players are doing individually, but a comment like 'Fred is poor at playing football and there is nothing the manager can do about it' makes absolutely zero sense to me.
Having thoroughly enjoyed Liverpool’s decades in the wilderness it’s excruciating to see the same pattern on here now. “Next year will be our year. We won’t win anything with that squad. We need a a new CM/CB/RW and the league is ours!” Depressingly familiar.

Especially with an example of the right managerial appointment getting so much out of so little right behind us in the league. Captained by a player whose father is a United legend, with their defence marshalled by a player deemed not good enough for us.

Bearing in mind another United reject has scored more goals than all our strikers put together this season, maybe the players aren’t the problem?!
 

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Well if you read your post to which I was responding, you would see.
You were the one who mentioned that Rogers has not won anything.
I really don't know why some people get so aggressive in their responses.
We are all on the same side, or should be.
Funny you say that because I felt exactly that way. I almost asked the same question ie why so agressive.

You aked what Ole has won also. When considering a new manager why would the credentials of the old one you are trying to get rid of be relevant. Only the credentials of the new manager need to be evaluated.
 

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OBVIOUSLY we wouldnt make a decision based on what Liverpool think. I'm just making a statement that they'll love it. You bothered to quote me to state the obvious, congrats.

And whats your point on the last one, it's irrelevant. We are trying to replace Ole with a world class manager not play a game of "who else has won nothing of note".
If Ole were sacked who would you rather have who we can realistically get?
 

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It probably is harsh but my point was more that just because he’s set up Leicester well and they are doing well it doesn’t mean he’s a shoe in to make us better. We’ve had better tactically minded coaches than Ole before him and imo havnt done as well as Ole, I know they won a small trophy within two years but you have to take in consideration where we were as a team and cup
opponents.

Rogers has shown he can play good football and get good results, I don’t think he has shown anything regarding handling pressure or dealing with injuries to say he’d walk into United and do a better job, I think that’s a massive stretch.

Its a totally different prospect managing United and having to be in for every competition and having to rotate a squad while expecting to always win, to managing a smaller club with a first eleven, honour of cups early no pressure and ready made injury excuses when you havnt got your main eleven available


I’ll add that I think Rogers his a fantastic manager and has done well where ever he’s gone, I just don’t think he has what it takes to manage at such a behemoth as United, the pressure on each fixture no doubt gets in heads and will feck with your head re tactics etc
The pressure of getting the dippers back up on their perch was surely comparable? And he was a Stevie G slip away from doing exactly that. Having said I think managers are responsible for their players performances it would be harsh to blame him for that slip!
 

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Funny you say that because I felt exactly that way. I almost asked the same question ie why so agressive.

You aked what Ole has won also. When considering a new manager why would the credentials of the old one you are trying to get rid of be relevant. Only the credentials of the new manager need to be evaluated.
Understood.
I think we were both thinking the same thing but expressed it in a slightly different way.

If we think back to when Ole was first appointed, it was to steady the ship and bring more harmony.
And that he did and he was then appointed full time.
And in my view, he is doing an ok job.

But Manchester United needs more than just an adequate manager. It needs the best. Something Ole is not.
I continually question his intellect. Is he really that clever.
Pep is clever. He is able to think deeply and clearly and plot strategies to overcome obstacles.
Ole is more of a tactical thinker. Someone who is just able to react, but not to strategise.
He is ok, but not the best.
 

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As long as Ole qualifies for CL every year he'll not be replaced. Its dividends not trophies that matter to our owners.
 

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The pressure of getting the dippers back up on their perch was surely comparable? And he was a Stevie G slip away from doing exactly that. Having said I think managers are responsible for their players performances it would be harsh to blame him for that slip!
I’d say he had a free run and it wasn’t as expected to win it as they hadn’t for so long. Maybe if he went there now it’d be comparable but I don’t think it was at the time. When he manged Liverpool did the fans expect a proper run in every competition they entered? I’lll don’t know.
He sure got close enough to have me worried at the time though.

Edit: I could add in that Chelsea game he could have also grew a pair and told gerrard to stop trying to be the hero making up for his mistakes shooting from everywhere and just play their game if you wanted to be critical of a manger there.
 

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Yeah, 100%. It’s crazy the way people so often try to absolve the manager from any responsibility to make players play better. It’s one of the main parts of their job description. And we see it everywhere, with every underperforming manager, ever. “We need to sign x, y and z, then we’ll be good”.

Meanwhile, the really top managers take players that cost very little or came through an academy and make them look like elite footballers. Poch did it at Spurs, Rodgers is doing it at Leicester. The last manager at Manchester United capable of this sort of alchemy was Sir Alex Ferguson. Literally nobody has managed it since he retired.
This.
 

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The pressure of getting the dippers back up on their perch was surely comparable? And he was a Stevie G slip away from doing exactly that. Having said I think managers are responsible for their players performances it would be harsh to blame him for that slip!
Not even close.
 

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Before a season begins, a team’s SPI ratings are based on two factors: its ratings at the end of the previous season, and its market value as calculated by Transfermarkt (a site that assigns a monetary value to each player, based on what they would fetch in a transfer). We’ve found that a team’s market value — relative to their league’s average value — is strongly correlated with its end-of-season SPI rating. Thus, we use these market values to infer each team’s preseason SPI rating.

I took that from their site:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/methodology/how-our-club-soccer-predictions-work/

While the SPI adjusts during the season by performances, not results but performances, at the beggining of the season the SPI is calculated from the past season performances and squad value. I think the SPI is a good way to meassure a team's squad quality.
These many games into the season, SPI is basically an indicator of performance. This is why you'd notice the SPIs change every GW, like for example Pool had the 2nd highest SPI comfortably at the start, however, due to their performances, this has come down to tied-third
 

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I’m sure we can realistically get 90% of top managers in the world.
Literally just Klopp, Pep, Poch, Flick unavailable currently.
Flick could become available quite quickly if he finally has enough of Salihamidzic (and vice versa). They might have made peace in public now, but there is a big risk for a final blow to their relationship.
 

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Good manager, got leicester playing well, no massive ego. Quite like him, despite him being ex liverpool
Rodgers is a good manager. Did well with Swansea, then he also had Liverpool balling out and came second with them. Did well with Celtic too. He’s done a great job everywhere he’s been from what I’ve seen, while playing good football too
 

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Premier League 2019/20 & 2020/21 combined points
United 123
Leicester 118

Premier League 2019/20 & 2020/21 Transfer spend
United £280m
Leicester £150m

Both managers started the job roughly around the same time with Ole having a much better starting point to work from. Anyone saying Leicester have a better team than us would have never said such words in 2018/19. The only reason it's being brought up now is due to the work Rodgers has been able to do with the individual players and team as a whole.

Rodgers is a much better manager and coach than Ole that shouldn't even be a discussion IMO. I wasn't the biggest fan of him before, but it can't be denied, he has improved as a coach since his Liverpool days. The most impressive thing is this season, Leicester can switch between being a counter attacking side and a possession based side. He's also used many different systems, sometimes due to necessity but other times to be flexible and it's largely been successful. If he was a German manager in the Bundesliga, this thread would be hipster central.
 

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Premier League 2019/20 & 2020/21 combined points
United 123
Leicester 118

Premier League 2019/20 & 2020/21 Transfer spend
United £280m
Leicester £150m

Both managers started the job roughly around the same time with Ole having a much better starting point to work from. Anyone saying Leicester have a better team than us would have never said such words in 2018/19. The only reason it's being brought up now is due to the work Rodgers has been able to do with the individual players and team as a whole.

Rodgers is a much better manager and coach than Ole that shouldn't even be a discussion IMO. I wasn't the biggest fan of him before, but it can't be denied, he has improved as a coach since his Liverpool days. The most impressive thing is this season, Leicester can switch between being a counter attacking side and a possession based side. He's also used many different systems, sometimes due to necessity but other times to be flexible and it's largely been successful. If he was a German manager in the Bundesliga, this thread would be hipster central.
This is definitely true and I 100% was guilty of this.

I was foolish enough to call the idea of him an ‘underwhelming’ option when if he was in charge of Sevilla and producing the level of performances he has with Leicester I’d be salivating over the idea of him.

He’s done a phenomenal job at Leicester and is fully ready for the next step up.
 
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Couldn't stand the man when he was at Liverpool and his bullshit pre-season nonsense he put out when he was Liverpool manager when the show had to be about him but I'll give him one thing I think he's a great coach of players.

I think he'd do well at United If he came here, and he's a miles better manager/coach then Ole that's for sure. Put Ole as Leicester's manager and can guarantee you they wouldn't be fighting for any European spots
 

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I’m sure we can realistically get 90% of top managers in the world.
Literally just Klopp, Pep, Poch, Flick unavailable currently.
You’d think so yeah, who would you go for though? I feel like there’s a lack of available top managers with pedigree at the moment, though I could be wrong.
 

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You’d think so yeah, who would you go for though? I feel like there’s a lack of available top managers with pedigree at the moment, though I could be wrong.
I'd go for Nagelsman or Rodgers personally.
 

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Oh no, has it come to wanting Rodgers? Liverpool would just love for us to make that move. As soon as we hit a tough patch the knives will be out with people talking about what he's won. We want to win the League and CL, not top 4 and plucky cup run. Plus his lips are going to fall off any moment for being dry as feck.
Take a look at what you have posted here and realise how stupid a post this is. Yes we want to win stuff, and Rodgers would have us a darn sight closer than Ole. Rodgers is criminally underrated and every team he has managed has HUGELY over-achieved. He had Swansea, Liverpool, Celtic and now Leicester playing scintillating attacking football, and all bar Celtic had/have no right competing near the top (Liverpool were average at that time).

He is tactically excellent, driven, attacking, brings in great signings, improves players and would be more driven to win the big trophies than any other manager I can think of. I cannot think of one good reason that he wouldn't be perfect for United.

Your post is awful in all honesty. And no need to get personal about his appearance. Pathetic.
 

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AWB- Maguire - Fofana - Shaw

Pogba - Ndidi

Barnes - Bruno - Rashford

Vardy/Cavani.

It’s predominantly united players. Let’s not forget that Maguire was excellent for them, it’s only under Ole you would maybe not consider him. Shaw is nailed on based on this season. I think AWB is better defensively than any of their full back options but Castagne is obviously much better going forward. Lindelöf would be my pick after Maguire and Fofana

Tielemans would probably be my choice alongside Pogba but would be a very attacking side with him, so I’d lean towards Ndidi. The options after Tielemans would be Matic and Mctom for me.

Bruno and Rashford are shoe ins, Bruno is obviously better than Maddison and Barnes. Barnes over greenwood out wide but I’d have Greenwood over the likes of Perez. Martial also.

Up front it’s probably Cavani, better career and better this season (despite Vardy having more goals, scored a lot of pens, he’s really struggled the last few months). The next option after these would be Martial.

I think a combined United Xi would have more United players and the backups would consist of United players mainly too.
I think people are reading too much into current performances, which is mainly to do with the managers. United squad is comfortably better in terms of quality, they’re just underperforming due to a poor manager whilst Leicester are over performing.
I would also say that you could argue every Leicester players inclusion and provide a decent argument for not including them compared to their United counterpart. Rashford,Bruno, Pogba, shaw are all pretty much nailed on for anyone’s combined team I’d say.
Simply no way is AWB a better full-back than Ricardo.

From my biased Leicester perspective, the only shoe-ins from Man United would be Bruno (for sure), Rashford and Pogba (if it's the decent Pogba). I'd say the jury is out on Shaw / Justin (I'd say Shaw for longevity, though Justin was nailed on to get our player of the season had he not got injured).

As for center-backs, I'd go for any of Evans/Soyuncu/Fofana over Maguire.

As for the Cavani / Vardy debate. Vardy hasn't been in great form - he's been coming back from his hernia operation - and I can see why people might choose Cavani, but even if you discount goals, Vardy has 7 assists this season, which is nearly as many as Cavani's goals and assists combined (8). I suppose neither are particularly outstanding up front options this season though.

If Rashford could play as a striker, I'd take our Vardy and put another Leicester midfielder in there. Either way, this'd probably be my ideal team (at least player wise - I accept the formation may be a little iffy).

Kasper

Ricardo, Soyuncu, Evans, Shaw
N'didi
Tielemans Pogba
Bruno
Barnes Rashford*

*(Barnes and Vardy have played as a front 2, so maybe Rashford could play the Vardy role)
 

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I'm saying Ole is overperforming with this squad. You said Rodgers would do better without elaborating. We are 2nd, so how will he do better? Close the gap, or even win the league?
Sometimes you have to just ask yourself what's the point. Everyone thinks the glazers is the biggest issue but really it's sentiments of downed expectations from the fans.
 

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Simply no way is AWB a better full-back than Ricardo.

From my biased Leicester perspective, the only shoe-ins from Man United would be Bruno (for sure), Rashford and Pogba (if it's the decent Pogba). I'd say the jury is out on Shaw / Justin (I'd say Shaw for longevity, though Justin was nailed on to get our player of the season had he not got injured).

As for center-backs, I'd go for any of Evans/Soyuncu/Fofana over Maguire.

As for the Cavani / Vardy debate. Vardy hasn't been in great form - he's been coming back from his hernia operation - and I can see why people might choose Cavani, but even if you discount goals, Vardy has 7 assists this season, which is nearly as many as Cavani's goals and assists combined (8). I suppose neither are particularly outstanding up front options this season though.

If Rashford could play as a striker, I'd take our Vardy and put another Leicester midfielder in there. Either way, this'd probably be my ideal team (at least player wise - I accept the formation may be a little iffy).

Kasper

Ricardo, Soyuncu, Evans, Shaw
N'didi
Tielemans Pogba
Bruno
Barnes Rashford*

*(Barnes and Vardy have played as a front 2, so maybe Rashford could play the Vardy role)


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Justin - Maguire - Fofana

Pereira - Ndidi - Pogba - Shaw

Bruno

Vardy - Rashford
Supporter bias will obviously play a role in which defenders people prefer but I think Maguire would be great between those pacier options.

Tielemans would be the only person who could feel (rightfully) aggrieved. Just think Pogba’s ceiling is higher and he’d thrive in that system with the protection afforded by Ndidi and the back 3.

Barnes would be in on short-term form but Rashford has produced a higher level for longer.

Sadly I think the position that would have the least debate would be manager *takes cover*.
 

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What is so funny? He is tactically excellent. In fact, bar Pep and Klopp (debateable), I can think of no-one better. If his name was German most of our fans would be all over him. Pathetic and negative approach to be honest.
His best strengths is his man management and motivation, tactically he is naive and not that much better than Ole. Disagree with the German name which is quite frankly borderline racist tbh, he hasn't been performing in the bundesliga which makes this completely irrelevant.
 

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Rodgers is a good manager, however Solskjaer hasn't done enough to be sacked yet. The next manager depends on what the ambition of the club is. I think it's all but guaranteed we won't win a major competition with Ole in charge, it's got nothing to do with the players etc but more down to temperament of the manager along with his passive mentality.
 

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His best strengths is his man management and motivation, tactically he is naive and not that much better than Ole. Disagree with the German name which is quite frankly borderline racist tbh, he hasn't been performing in the bundesliga which makes this completely irrelevant.
On what level is that racist!?!?? Goodness me, you are pathetic and precious! If he was German/Spanish/Insert other Nationality here, he would be viewed far more favourably by our fans in my opinion, which is so small minded. I never said he was managing in the Bundesliga.... Keep up! And okay if you are going down that route, he isn't managing in Germany... He is in fact managing in a far harder and toughly contested league and excelling. Not quite sure how he is tactically naiive? Look at his results!
 

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On what level is that racist!?!?? Goodness me, you are pathetic and precious! If he was German/Spanish/Insert other Nationality here, he would be viewed far more favourably by our fans in my opinion, which is so small minded. I never said he was managing in the Bundesliga.... Keep up!
Then why even bring race into this?
 

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Simply no way is AWB a better full-back than Ricardo.

From my biased Leicester perspective, the only shoe-ins from Man United would be Bruno (for sure), Rashford and Pogba (if it's the decent Pogba). I'd say the jury is out on Shaw / Justin (I'd say Shaw for longevity, though Justin was nailed on to get our player of the season had he not got injured).

As for center-backs, I'd go for any of Evans/Soyuncu/Fofana over Maguire.

As for the Cavani / Vardy debate. Vardy hasn't been in great form - he's been coming back from his hernia operation - and I can see why people might choose Cavani, but even if you discount goals, Vardy has 7 assists this season, which is nearly as many as Cavani's goals and assists combined (8). I suppose neither are particularly outstanding up front options this season though.

If Rashford could play as a striker, I'd take our Vardy and put another Leicester midfielder in there. Either way, this'd probably be my ideal team (at least player wise - I accept the formation may be a little iffy).

Kasper

Ricardo, Soyuncu, Evans, Shaw
N'didi
Tielemans Pogba
Bruno
Barnes Rashford*

*(Barnes and Vardy have played as a front 2, so maybe Rashford could play the Vardy role)
Who would be your choice of manager between Solskjaer and Rodgers ?
 

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Then why even bring race into this?
It is completely relevant! You are pathetic and when I can work out how, I intend to block you as you are throwing out crazy accusations which have no place on here. I am sure most posters would agree. Read my post. ON NO LEVEL is it racist for goodness sake.
 

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Then why even bring race into this?
It’s a well-established footballing idiom to highlight the idea that players or managers playing within Britain get judged by a harsher standard than their compatriots playing elsewhere in the world.

Calling someone racist for it is the reach of all reaches.
 

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It is completely relevant! You are pathetic and when I can work out how, I intend to block you as you are throwing out crazy accusations which have no place on here. I am sure most posters would agree. Read my post. ON NO LEVEL is it racist for goodness sake.
On what level is that racist!?!?? Goodness me, you are pathetic and precious! If he was German/Spanish/Insert other Nationality here, he would be viewed far more favourably by our fans in my opinion, which is so small minded. I never said he was managing in the Bundesliga.... Keep up! And okay if you are going down that route, he isn't managing in Germany... He is in fact managing in a far harder and toughly contested league and excelling. Not quite sure how he is tactically naiive? Look at his results!
So then you are saying our fans are racist ?

The hipster thing is when a foreign manager, usually in the bundesliga, does exceptionally well with a mediocre team while playing attractive football. If you aren't talking about the bundesliga then why bring race into this at all?