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[FrankDrebin]

Yet, you couldn't have picked a worse director than Snyder to helm this DC cinematic universe.

As much as the criticism is just with Whedon some people have seemingly forgotten why Snyder was replaced in the first place. Nudge ,he made the previous two stinkers.

The recent Snyder revisionism is bizarre. Before he even got the main gig at DC he made the critical disaster that was Sucker Punch and a underwhelming children's book animation.
Another case of failing upwards.

 

[Sylar]

Yet, you couldn't have picked a worse director than Snyder to helm this DC cinematic universe.

As much as the criticism is just with Whedon some people have seemingly forgotten why Snyder was replaced in the first place. Nudge ,he made the previous two stinkers.

The recent Snyder revisionism is bizarre. Before he even got the main gig at DC he made the critical disaster that was Sucker Punch and a underwhelming children's book animation.
Another case of failing upwards.

And people are forgetting at the end, this is still 4 hours and would need about 60-90 minutes cut which would make this a mess to cut that much and keeping things coherent and relevant

 

[Zarlak]

As much as the criticism is just with Whedon some people have seemingly forgotten why Snyder was replaced in the first place. Nudge ,he made the previous two stinkers.

Have you forgotten why Snyder was 'replaced' in the first place? He stepped away because his daughter committed suicide. Whedon filled the gap that he left.

 

[Oldyella]

Yet, you couldn't have picked a worse director than Snyder to helm this DC cinematic universe.

As much as the criticism is just with Whedon some people have seemingly forgotten why Snyder was replaced in the first place. Nudge ,he made the previous two stinkers.

The recent Snyder revisionism is bizarre. Before he even got the main gig at DC he made the critical disaster that was Sucker Punch and a underwhelming children's book animation.
Another case of failing upwards.

Not quite dude..

 

[FrankDrebin]

DC/WB were seriously considering ditching him before the tragic news of his daughter.

 

[VP89]

DC/WB were seriously considering ditching him before the tragic news of his daughter.

At what point? After he made the 2 stinkers? They must have not considered it enough, seeing as they gave him a big budget to make Justice League and introduce Flash/Cyborg/Aquaman

 

[FrankDrebin]

Ok, fair enough. I've just browsed at it seems the news that Snyder moved on was purely, totally understandably, based on his daughters suicide.
Somewhere I had it in my mind that he was being questioned before that tragic event took place (something about the studio questioning the length and structure of the move Snyder was making).
I made a shitter there.

 

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[sullydnl]

Ok, fair enough. I've just browsed at it seems the news that Snyder moved on was purely, totally understandably, based on his daughters suicide.
Somewhere I had it in my mind that he was being questioned before that tragic event took place (something about the studio questioning the length and structure of the move Snyder was making).
I made a shitter there.

You're not entirely wrong. Even before his daughter's suicide the studio had indeed lost faith in Snyder, assigning people to adjust the director's "vision" with what they wanted and inject more humour (or as Snyder called it, to "babysit" him). The studio also vetoed several of his ideas and issued a mandate that the film have a two hour runtime. Finally they brought Whedon in to do some re-writes but ended up giving him more power, allowing him to first advise on and then direct some reshoots himself.

It was at that point Snyder decided to quit: "We just lost the will to fight that fight in a lot of ways. All of us, the whole family, we’re just so broken by [losing Autumn] that having those conversations in the middle of it really became…I was like, ‘Really?’ Frankly I think we did the right thing because I think it would’ve been either incredibly belligerent or we just rolled over.”"

 

[Sylar]

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Impressive, even for him.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

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Impressive, even for him.

When 2 of the main characters can move faster than the speed of sound and the other can move close to light speed, how would you deal with showing how fast they really are, without using slow motion?

 

[Sylar]

When 2 of the main characters can move faster than the speed of sound and the other can move close to light speed, how would you deal with showing how fast they really are, without using slow motion?

Use it only for those two characters when they are being super heroes?

Im certain that wasn't the case though

 

[evil_geko]

If you don't enjoy a film, you can find thousand of things to nitpick about, I know from personal experience about some films, this I watched two times in single sittings, enjoyed it both times and haven't found any problems with the slow mo's.

 

[afrocentricity]

A lot of the moaning is just redcafe being redcafe (flowery posts about how much they hate something), and it's generally an internet phenomenon (it's seen as cool to rinse things in the most exaggerated way)... Most people would have watched it, been mildly entertained, and then moved on.

 

[decorativeed]

If you don't enjoy a film, you can find thousand of things to nitpick about, I know from personal experience about some films, this I watched two times in single sittings, enjoyed it both times and haven't found any problems with the slow mo's.

I can also really enjoy a film and find things to nitpick about it. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

I've nitpicked the shit out of Endgame.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Use it only for those two characters when they are being super heroes?

Im certain that wasn't the case though

Most of the slow motion was Barry was running, most of the slow motion was in the following scenes;

Wonder Woman fight with the terrorists,

Barry saving Iris West,

Barry going back in time to zap the Motherbox while entering the speed force,

Barry running at Superman in the fight after bringing him back from the dead,

Barry running around Steppenwolf's fortress when he pushes Wonder Woman's sword,

Barry catching the Batarang when he first met Bruce Wayne,

 

[Sylar]

Most of the slow motion was Barry was running, most of the slow motion was in the following scenes;

Wonder Woman fight with the terrorists,

Barry saving Iris West,

Barry going back in time to zap the Motherbox while entering the speed force,

Barry running at Superman in the fight after bringing him back from the dead,

Barry running around Steppenwolf's fortress when he pushes Wonder Woman's sword,

Barry catching the Batarang when he first met Bruce Wayne,

I think slow motion shouldnt be used all the time, imo. But thats just my opinion, if people like the way Snyder does it, i wont fault them.
I think some of these scenes could have used the element of showing things from the other perspective (showing how fast he is to the others, like a lightning bolt).

If those were the scenes, and all of that added up to 25 minutes or so, thats a lot of slow motion. I think it being used for the bolded and the ending, is perfectly fine. But it doesnt have to be every single sceneas it takes away the affectiveness.

 

[afrocentricity]

I think some of these scenes could have used the element of showing things from the other perspective (showing how fast he is to the others, like a lightning bolt).

Most, if not all, of the action would be imperceptible...

 

[Sylar]

Most, if not all, of the action would be imperceptible...

Barry pushing WW sword /lasso /whatever it was. Was it really necessary to see him run in slow motion to push the sword?

 

[SalfordRed18]

A lot of the moaning is just redcafe being redcafe (flowery posts about how much they hate something), and it's generally an internet phenomenon (it's seen as cool to rinse things in the most exaggerated way)... Most people would have watched it, been mildly entertained, and then moved on.

Dunno about that. I personally thought it was alright, but you're allowed to not like something and say why you don't in the relevant thread.

 

[Sweet Square]

Dunno about that. I personally thought it was alright, but you're allowed to not like something and say why you don't in the relevant thread.

For whatever reason there's a weird trend in this thread(And online) of people getting annoyed because others have criticisms of the film.

It's very odd and really only happens with ''nerd culture'' type media.

 

[Sylar]

Dunno about that. I personally thought it was alright, but you're allowed to not like something and say why you don't in the relevant thread.

Yep. Youre also allowed to like things, and still point out things you didnt like which creates discussion.

This all or nothing approach is really weird.

 

[evil_geko]

For whatever reason there's a weird trend in this thread(And online) of people getting annoyed because others have criticisms of the film.

It's very odd and really only happens with ''nerd culture'' type media.

That's the thing, 95% of time I only read subjective opinions and how movie is shit. I don't mind the "I hated it, it's not for me" etc, I mind the tone and presentation of an opinion like a fact, which you see a lot. I have barely read any "legit criticism". The slow-mo thing for example is not "objective criticism", it is subjective thing, I personally like it. The colour thing is, also, subjective thing. And so on.

 

[afrocentricity]

Barry pushing WW sword /lasso /whatever it was. Was it really necessary to see him run in slow motion to push the sword?

No.... No it wasn't....

Dunno about that. I personally thought it was alright, but you're allowed to not like something and say why you don't in the relevant thread.

You're welcome to. Just feels excessive sometimes you know?

 

[Andy_Cole]

For whatever reason there's a weird trend in this thread(And online) of people getting annoyed because others have criticisms of the film.

It's very odd and really only happens with ''nerd culture'' type media.

I do also think people watch films just to criticise rather than enjoy a movie for what it is.

 

[Redlambs]

Isn't that a big part of the problem though? If you read people's opinions as factual statements? Or if you put opinions and feelings into the posts that aren't there (like they just watch it to hate).

That's hardly the fault of the person posting. It's a wall of text at the end of the day, if you read criticisms as factual statements, that's on you. It's debating in bad faith and is the cause of so many problems in discussions.


As for the film, it's alright. Better than the original, but then at twice as long and all that cost it would be ridiculous not to be. I agree that the slo-mo was overused to the point of tedium, but WW's theme was by far the worst thing. A watchable action fest, I like it for that. There's no depth or real point to it though, but then if it ends that particular era then I'm fine with it.

 

[ThierryHenry]

He is a pure and utter cnut in real life. So is Jason Mamoa, but Ezra is the bigger cnut of the two.

What's the deal with Ezra Miller?

 

[Sylar]

What's the deal with Ezra Miller?

Whats the deal with mamoa?

No.... No it wasn't....

Ha, glad we agree. I dont mind slow motion, and think it can be great. But im sure there was another scene with WW and the rest and it went slow motion for a few seconds, then out of it, and it wasnt needed.
Some of the bits with the Flash near the end were great though.

 

[Andy_Cole]

Isn't that a big part of the problem though? If you read people's opinions as factual statements? Or if you put opinions and feelings into the posts that aren't there (like they just watch it to hate).

That's hardly the fault of the person posting. It's a wall of text at the end of the day, if you read criticisms as factual statements, that's on you. It's debating in bad faith and is the cause of so many problems in discussions.


As for the film, it's alright. Better than the original, but then at twice as long and all that cost it would be ridiculous not to be. I agree that the slo-mo was overused to the point of tedium, but WW's theme was by far the worst thing. A watchable action fest, I like it for that. There's no depth or real point to it though, but then if it ends that particular era then I'm fine with it.

I just find it shocking when people say they hate everything Snyder does, hates MoS and BvS, then watch a 4 hour Snyder Justice and to their surprise, hate it.

It’s like me sitting through Love Actually, or Bridget Jones Diary. Then writing an essay to review how terrible it is. I find it weird.

 

[afrocentricity]

there was another scene with WW and the rest and it went slow motion for a few seconds, then out of it, and it wasnt needed.

Yeah that was corny but I don't mind if it's enjoyable overall

 

[Hectic]

A lot of the moaning is just redcafe being redcafe (flowery posts about how much they hate something), and it's generally an internet phenomenon (it's seen as cool to rinse things in the most exaggerated way)... Most people would have watched it, been mildly entertained, and then moved on.

What if they are moaning because they just thought the film was shite. I'm not sure opinions should be so easily dismissed whether you loved it, liked it or hated it. There's room for everyone.

 

[Hectic]

You're welcome to. Just feels excessive sometimes you know?

It probably feels excessive because these movies have clearly been the most popular and dominant films for a long time now which translates to a much bigger audience leading to more reviews whether they are good or bad. You notice more of the negative comments but forget the average thread size for any of these films are about 100x the size of any other. On balance the clear majority of people love them, in fact it's not even close so it seems strange to take issue with the tiny minority of people who don't like them and want to say so in a thread that exists for that purpose.

 

[Shane88]

I see Zatanna is getting a movie. Fairly obscure character to go with, would've expected someone like Green Lantern or Supergirl to be introduced or reintroduced next.

 

[Redlambs]

I just find it shocking when people say they hate everything Snyder does, hates MoS and BvS, then watch a 4 hour Snyder Justice and to their surprise, hate it.

It’s like me sitting through Love Actually, or Bridget Jones Diary. Then writing an essay to review how terrible it is. I find it weird.

Why though? What's wrong with people giving it a chance and having an opinion?

If you are so close minded you won't watch films you don't think you'd like, so you never find anything new, then that's on you. But that doesn't mean others aren't giving something a fair chance. And for the record, there are plenty of people online who trash things for no good reason, but the negative reviews in this thread seem far less reactionary like that than the fanboy replies to them. Mockney, for example, has given a much more in depth criticism of the film than anyone has defending it.

@Sweet Square and @Sylar are right, you guys go well overboard defending stuff like this. It's a forum for chat and debate, you can't just blanket shut down people because you decide what they are thinking.

 

[Andy_Cole]

Why though? What's wrong with people giving it a chance and having an opinion?

If you are so close minded you won't watch films you don't think you'd like, so you never find anything new, then that's on you. But that doesn't mean others aren't giving something a fair chance. And for the record, there are plenty of people online who trash things for no good reason, but the negative reviews in this thread seem far less reactionary like that than the fanboy replies to them. Mockney, for example, has given a much more in depth criticism of the film than anyone has defending it.

@Sweet Square and @Sylar are right, you guys go well overboard defending stuff like this. It's a forum for chat and debate, you can't just blanket shut down people because you decide what they are thinking.

Come on mate it’s not being closed minded is it? If someone hates Adam Sandler comedies they’re not going to like the next one he churns out will they? If someone hates heavy metal music they won’t like any heavy metal music.

This isn’t a go at anyone specific. I have this issue with professional critics too. They go out and completely rinse the next Eddie Murphy movie or whatever and I feel they just weren’t the target audience. Find it bizarre why that critic is reviewing a movie when he hates all other movies of that style.

 

[afrocentricity]

If you are so close minded you won't watch films you don't think you'd like, so you never find anything new, then that's on you.

Be fair... There's only a finite amount of time in the day. I'm at the point where I don't watch anything I don't think I'll like, don't play anything I don't think I'd enjoy, don't go anywhere I think will end up being a waste of time, etc... You get the picture

The only thing I slightly flex for is music.

It's working for me though.

 

[Redlambs]

Come on mate it’s not being closed minded is it? If someone hates Adam Sandler comedies they’re not going to like the next one he churns out will they? If someone hates heavy metal music they won’t like any heavy metal music.

This isn’t a go at anyone specific. I have this issue with professional critics too. They go out and completely rinse the next Eddie Murphy movie or whatever and I feel they just weren’t the target audience. Find it bizarre why that critic is reviewing a movie when he hates all other movies of that style.

But do you not see the problem there? "This isn't a go at anyone specific"...then why are you even going on about it in this thread?

I, in turn, am not having a go at you but I'm trying to understand the thinking you lot in here have with your reactions to people posting criticisms. Take me for example, I didn't mind MoS thought BvS was a huge dumb pile of shit, WW84 is the worst superhero movie ever and think Synder is incredibly over rated as a director. Yet I watched this film and gave it a chance, why? In your mind it would be a stupid thing to do, but to me I wanted to just watch a film and hope it was better than what came before.

The point being people aren't all the same, we all have all sorts of reasons for doing what we do. You deciding to put them in a category because you don't like what they say about something you do, is on you not them. Do you get my point? Just because you love something it doesn't mean people can't not, just because you avoid certain films it doesn't mean others have to. As said above, you guys go so far one way or the other and it's like you try to shut down chat.

This thread is about the film. And good or bad, everyone is posting their opinion. That's how it should be.

Be fair... There's only a finite amount of time in the day. I'm at the point where I don't watch anything I don't think I'll like, don't play anything I don't think I'd enjoy, don't go anywhere I think will end up being a waste of time, etc... You get the picture

The only thing I slightly flex for is music.

It's working for me though.

Absolutely mate. I'm 100% the same, which is why I'm confused as to the accusations of people wasting time deliberately.

The thing I'm talking about is the then actively trying to shut down people who do things differently. I mean if anyone actually thinks someone in the thread has watched 4hrs of this film just to hate it, then name names so they can explain, otherwise it's all nonsense hyperbole is it not?

 

[Oldyella]

I see Zatanna is getting a movie. Fairly obscure character to go with, would've expected someone like Green Lantern or Supergirl to be introduced or reintroduced next.

Magic, so hot right now!

As for the superspeed discussion, my favourite visual of it was still the female kryptonian in man of steel. No slowmotion there but you knew she was quick!

 

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Thats less than I expected

 

[Ekeke]

I see Zatanna is getting a movie. Fairly obscure character to go with, would've expected someone like Green Lantern or Supergirl to be introduced or reintroduced next.

They've had plans for a justice league dark movie for ages, probably the way to introduce Constantine, Etrigan and Deadman or something