Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

[Sayros]

Wow

I don't have any negative or positive feelings towards poch either way
And I didn't mention Ole, this is a Poch thread so why are you getting defensive? Is he letting you down so you have to attack other coaches?

If he's as good as people say he should be able to turn this around quick otherwise they should have just got some PSG legend


I mean he may turn this around and win the league and champions League. I'm sure if he does that he will get praise immensely (and rightfully so)

This thread is about 99% bumped because of this dumb Ole vs Poch argument that's going on in here. He's a coach, he's not some miracle-worker, clearly, and you don't always turn around a team quickly, it takes time to adapt to a new coach, a new philosophy, and PSG has had a very rough season prior to him coming, and still with him in charge, between the incessant injuries and COVID issues. It's just completely unrealistic to think a new coach coming in is going to miraculously turn everything around. It happens very rarely, Zidane taking over for Rafa Benitez comes to mind, but more often than not a coach should be judged on his first full season after a pre-season and that's what I'm giving Poch, and I am certain PSG will not get rid of him if he fails this season.

Next season, he should be judged solely on his performances and if he doesn't deliver, he will be gone.

 

[NasirTimothy]

I’m a Poch fan and wanted him here when the rumours were flowing last season but he needs to turn this around quick else he’s out of the job. Bayern in the CL and a 4 team race for the title, could either be a great or dreadful next couple of weeks this, big moment for Poch.

This. Not a Poch fan especially; I think he got Spurs playing well, but he never seemed to be able to close the deal whenever they were close to something big. Then people would make excuses about their meagre finances.....that is obviously no longer a valid explanation.

He’s got to win something major this year to remove that stigma IMO. The CL would be better, but he’s got to at least ‘hold serve’ in the league....

Terrible result today. To any who watched the game, how did they look? How did Neymar look?

 

[Cheech Wizard]

Wow, not been paying attention to the Ligue 1 table much this season, I knew they had a slow start to this season when they had Covid issues and those red cards but I assumed they picked up very quickly and were 10+ points at the top or something. Surprised it's not going well for him, got a feeling though I can see them sneaking past Bayern in the CL and then bombing out completely to City, handing them a very comfortable route to the final. Sort it out Poch!

 

[Bearded One]

I would like to emphasize a point I have always made here. Redcafe would usually assume that a manager that has done remarkably well in a smaller club will do better in bigger clubs and win titles with them (the only thing he couldn’t easily do in the smaller club because of a relative lack of resources).

I have seen enough to know that football is more dynamic than that and whilst the manger won at the smaller club because he had players that could do the things he wanted done, he began to now struggle because all he had was big names without the corresponding tailoring of the abilities of the team to fit his strategies.

The difference between Poch at Spurs and him at PSG is that people will start to make definite assessments about his place at the top of the table of managers unlike before. I expect him to bounce back because I rate him so much but I knew all along that he would have to earn his place at PSG without recourse to whatever he did at Spurs and that people would be more critical of him now than ever before.

 

[Champagne Football]

He's been there exactly 3 months. He will need the summer transfer window to bring in the players he wants and ship out those he doesn't fancy. He'll be bringing in some big names there no doubt come the summer

 

[Champ]

He's already won a trophy for what it's worth with PSG. He's at zero risk of being fired even if PSG finish second or get knocked out of the CL. He will be judged on next season.

He's won the French version of the Charity shield
Not saying he'll be fired, just that he's making hard work of what should have been relatively straightforward

 

[always_hoping]

Next season, he should be judged solely on his performances and if he doesn't deliver, he will be gone.

The French league title is low hanging fruit for a star studded PSG. Failure to win it this season and Poch will be likely gone.

 

[Real Madras]

If this guy bottles the league in France questions will certainly be asked.

 

[OleBoiii]

He's been there exactly 3 months. He will need the summer transfer window to bring in the players he wants and ship out those he doesn't fancy. He'll be bringing in some big names there no doubt come the summer

He has the best team in the league by a comfortable margin. Any manager worth his salt should be able to sleepwalk his way to that trophy. PSG has only failed to win the league once in the last 8 years. I wouldn't be surprised if their starting XI is worth more than the starting XI of their 4 closest rivals combined.

 

[charlenefan]

He's been there exactly 3 months. He will need the summer transfer window to bring in the players he wants and ship out those he doesn't fancy. He'll be bringing in some big names there no doubt come the summer

you can't use the old he needs time and a transfer window when you're manager of literally the best team in the league, no other side in the French league has a player anywhere near as good as say Di Maria let alone Neymar and Mbappe

he might need his type of players to go and win the UCL but not the domestic league

 

[crossy1686]

Be interesting to hear @Amadaeus' thoughts on Poch so far..

It really wouldn't...

 

[crossy1686]

Poch's CV cant have "allowed Leicester win the league and lost Ligue 1 with PSG" can it? That's a terrifying resume.

Yeah but at least he never got relegated with Cardiff right?

In all seriousness, if he doesn't win the league with PSG he'll be without a job and has effectively done a Moyes. His next job will be very interesting and he has to get it right unless he wants to end up back at Tottenham when Jose ultimately gets the sack.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Being found out unsurprisingly.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

He's been there exactly 3 months. He will need the summer transfer window to bring in the players he wants and ship out those he doesn't fancy. He'll be bringing in some big names there no doubt come the summer

This is a joke really. He has by far the best squad and players in that league. If he were any where near as good as good number of you claim he'd be walking the league by now.

 

[Bojan11]

Being found out unsurprisingly.

He needs a new starting 11, before we can judge him properly.

Copyright © 2021 by Bojan.

 

[horsechoker]

He needs a new starting 11, before we can judge him properly.

 

[OleBoiii]

He needs a new starting 11, before we can judge him properly.

Copyright © 2021 by Bojan.

He needs support from an additional oil nation. Or maybe an actual oil planet. Get on it, Musk!

The peasants in Ligue 1 will look even more peasantly than usual, mohahaha.

 

[FujiVice]

he has to get it right unless he wants to end up back at Tottenham when Jose ultimately gets the sack.

Which he more than definitely will.

 

[Bojan11]

He needs a new starting 11, before we can judge him properly.

Please read this and take note. That goes for anybody else.

Spoiler

 

[horsechoker]

Please read this and take note. That goes for anybody else.

Spoiler

cnut Lane has fallen on hard times unfortunately

 

[KiD MoYeS]

He will be back at Spurs within the year, I'm convinced.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

He needs a new starting 11, before we can judge him properly.

Copyright © 2021 by Bojan.

Buy it, I don't. A winner, Poch is not.

 

[Sweet Square]

It's clearly a pretty difficult job and a team full of ''personalities''. Current PSG is basically a poor man galacticos, who main goal is to win the CL(I don't think ownership care about the league)

The issue in this thread is the insane ole out have put Poch on such a high pedestal that it's impossible for him to match it. So it's very funny when he fails.

 

[iKnowNothing]

If Poch gets fired next season, I suspect his career is likely going the AVB route.

 

[Godfather]

Would be quite an achievement to not win the league with that squad

 

[Sassy Colin]

Please read this and take note. That goes for anybody else.

Spoiler

He needs a new starting 11, before we can judge him properly.

 

[anant]

If Poch gets fired next season, I suspect his career is likely going the AVB route.

Would depend honestly. If he beats Bayern in CL or wins the league, quite certain teams like Juve and maybe even us will maintain an interest in him. However, if things go wrong, he'll have to start over again from a club of Spurs' size

 

[Icemav]

Indeed. I don't understand the excuses being made for Poch by his disciples.

Had Poch come into United he'd have been expected to make an impact. Lord knows we've all been told enough times that Poch would get more out of our squad than Ole. Very hard to believe given what he's getting out of a PSG squad that's easily the best in Ligue 1.

Yes thats exactly what we've been told because he is a vastly superior coach. He may get things to click at PSG given time but essentially this is what happend when reality rears its head. Some new coaches get off to electric starts, others take time and a few bomb. What we know is that longer term Poch gets his teams playing decent football but not good enough to win things.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Needs at least one full season until we can judge him properly. And 7,8 new players of course.

 

[Raredaredevil]

I like him and I rate him over Ole but he fails to win PSG the title, then I have serious doubts about his credentials as a top manager.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

All the Ole out and Poch in lot suddenly realising how stupid they are. Love it.

Poch wouldn't achieve any better than Ole has for us. Not unless he's given about 500m

 

[Cassidy]

All the Ole out and Poch in lot suddenly realising how stupid they are. Love it.

Poch wouldn't achieve any better than Ole has for us. Not unless he's given about 500m

So Poch was given 500m at Spurs? I wonder how much Ole has spent....
Poch has a lot to prove but hes been at the club 3 months, bit premature to be making such statements

 

[Sylar]

This thread is about 99% bumped because of this dumb Ole vs Poch argument that's going on in here. He's a coach, he's not some miracle-worker, clearly, and you don't always turn around a team quickly, it takes time to adapt to a new coach, a new philosophy, and PSG has had a very rough season prior to him coming, and still with him in charge, between the incessant injuries and COVID issues. It's just completely unrealistic to think a new coach coming in is going to miraculously turn everything around. It happens very rarely, Zidane taking over for Rafa Benitez comes to mind, but more often than not a coach should be judged on his first full season after a pre-season and that's what I'm giving Poch, and I am certain PSG will not get rid of him if he fails this season.

Next season, he should be judged solely on his performances and if he doesn't deliver, he will be gone.

So you responded to a post about Poch solely, to say youre not liking Ole vs Poch, but then make it about Ole vs Poch to defend Poch?

Interesting tactics

And yes, he is a coach. Hes been there over 3 months. Again, miracle-worker is expecting him to win every match after a few weeks in charge. How extremely different is his philsophy to Tuchel?
Its not like they went from Jose to Pep.

We cant use injuries and covid as an excuse as every team and manager goes through this.

The big result was Barca and he got big praise for that. So again, if hes getting praise for the wins, he should likewise get damned on some of the results and the way they are set up and play. A lot of reviews talk about him being reliant on individual quality rather than having some sort of element of a style of play, and three months in thats damning.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

So Poch was given 500m at Spurs? I wonder how much Ole has spent....

He won nothing. He got to a CL final with an incredible about of luck Vs Ajax n City. He didn't continue in the final.

He's a decent manager don't get me wrong but he's not the answer. You want a Pep beater if you want a new manager surely? Is Poch going to take down Pep n Klopp? Not for me.

 

[Ajr]

I think that it's impossible to judge him at this point. Even if he loses in the cl and the league, plus doesn't get anything next year he is probably still better than Ole because he needs a new starting 11, before we can judge him properly.

 

[Cassidy]

He won nothing. He got to a CL final with an incredible about of luck Vs Ajax n City. He didn't continue in the final.

He's a decent manager don't get me wrong but he's not the answer. You want a Pep beater if you want a new manager surely? Is Poch going to take down Pep n Klopp? Not for me.

You're comparing him to Ole who has not got anywhere near a final let alone a UCL one.
Losing to Liverpool in your first UCL final with Spurs is also not bad.

Also I never said I wanted Poch, simply saying your statement is extremely knee jerk and premature. Pep came to City and finished 4th in his first season and has yet to win a UCL, you probably thought Pep couldn't hack the PL after his first season given your comments after Poch has only been at PSG 3 months

 

[cyberman]

Ole would win that league with this PSG team. Poch seems burn out, out of ideas from what Ive read. He rarely won the big games when it mattered and these games matter in Paris. He would lose to Brighton if it were billed as a top of the table clash

 

[Cassidy]

Ole would win that league with this PSG team. Poch seems burn out, out of ideas from what Ive read. He rarely won the big games when it mattered and these games matter in Paris. He would lose to Brighton if it were billed as a top of the table clash

Right...

 

[cyberman]

Right...

Why wouldnt he? Apparently we have so many holes in the Utd team but he has us second. Apparently Bruno carries us but he would have Neymar, Mbappe and Di Maria over there.
Why would he suddenly do worse with a supposedly better side than what he has now?
The problem for Poch defenders is that this is a continuation of his last few seasons at Spurs. Give him time argument doesnt really work with him and he's been matching Joses over the hill record for quite a while now.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

You're comparing him to Ole who has not got anywhere near a final let alone a UCL one.
Losing to Liverpool in your first UCL final with Spurs is also not bad.

Also I never said I wanted Poch, simply saying your statement is extremely knee jerk and premature. Pep came to City and finished 4th in his first season and has yet to win a UCL, you probably thought Pep couldn't hack the PL after his first season given your comments after Poch has only been at PSG 3 months

You aren't getting it.

A new manager needs a new start. Another project that will take a few years. So it puts us back again.

I'd only get rid of Ole for a sure thing. I don't think Poch is tbh as he is proving with PSG. He's only been boss since December and already lost more league games than Ole had this season. And that's in a pub league.

Ole to Poch is a sideways move.