When did Bruno turn to shit? Pogba came back from an injury this season and was a vital player for us.
Lingard to join West Ham on loan
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He was awful for us and he isn’t a top player. The pain I had to endure watching him every week used to make my eyes hurt. I’m so glad he’s playing well because it will mean people will want to buy him and we can finally get “young” Jesse off our books. He isn’t good enough for united but then again half our players now aren’t either. Sigh...
Matt Judge, please add this man to the negotiation team.
Moyes is manager of the season so far, with 8 games to go, having WH in 4th place.
Better player than Van De Beek.
James is not in the same ball park as Lingard. Lingard is on another level.
Too bad he's in the last year of his contract. I can him moving to WHU for £25m if he keeps up this form come the summer.
James is shite, we don’t need shite footballers, Lingard is levels above. So yeah it’s very wow if we sell a good player brought through the academy and keep a Shiite player brought through a second rate academy
Oh interesting angle. He's the same old Lingard except everyone's else is nackered and staggering around on one leg after having a horrendous year.
Moyes' new Tim Cahill.
Yep. Milk them for all we can, because we’re never getting higher.
Happy for him that he's performing well, but why the feck would anyone want him back here? He was absolute shite here for years, not creating chances, not scoring goals and was more often than not in the running for the worst player on the pitch. Take the £25M and run.
After 8 games nah, let's check back after he's played those 19 games for West Ham.
How did Moyes brought best out of Jesse? He is good mid and bottom table coach not Ole. That is why Moyes was at no 7 and Ole is at no 2.
If WH gets into the CL, we can ask for almost double of that!
Since getting here, hes dropped. Not turned to shit. Pogba has never been for us what he was at Juve. And with all the shit off the field you have to wonder if he was just fed up of something to do with the club. Hes got his moments, but that world class figure people want to paint him as just isnt the case. Not for us at least. I have no doubt that if he moved on, hed be everything we always wanted him to be for us.
Not trying to spin anything. You can take a look at the match day threads here or anywhere and see what the general thinking is. Or you can watch the games and see the performances. I mean, its kinda weird that so many players over the years have left us and instantly improved, shit league or not. We have a guy that got sacked because he couldnt cut it in the championship. We have a guy that was retired. We have two young assistants still finding their feet. And we have a a group of coaches that were brought in by various managers that had a very different way of coaching from each other.
If getting rid of the players hasnt worked. If getting rid of the managers hasnt worked. What else is left if not the coaching staff? Because we cant pass the ball worth a feck most of the time. When we play out from the back, we cant handle a press and often lose the ball. The tactics are trash, the set plays are worthless and when we come up against a solid defence we rely on moments of individual brilliance.
Lingard has left this club as a bit of a joke. Only now hes under Moyes of all people, and hes the one laughing. Its not one game, or some games. Hes actually playing good stuff and managed to play himself back into the national team. But its not our coaching that wasnt getting the best out of him, it was "insert random excuse here"? Not for me, sorry. Ive been bored watching us for far too long to just put it down to a bit of bad form. Theres something wrong in how we are coached. And Lingard is yet another example of that. And you that isnt so each to dismiss as he isnt doing it in "shitter league".
He basically didn't play in his last 12 months with us (he had a total of 6 matches worth of minutes spread over all competitions), had 6 months of career-worst form before that (which coincided directly with when he was having personal problems in his family), and the 6 months before that he was ok albeit not good. So saying 0 goals and assists in two years is harsh, and not accurate anyway. It was a bit over 12 months (the end of 18/19 and all of 19/20 until he scored in the last match of the season), just in the league, at a time he only played about 15 matches worth of gametime. Obviously not good enough, but most of it was when he was in that dreadful 6 months of form.
Lets not rewrite history here, he was poor for all his ManUtd career except for the spell in 2017-18 season. He got plenty of chances and people moaned about him being in the squad, how we are not ruthless, still haven't sold him and all that.
Finally we made good decision to at least loan him out and he has found the team that suits him and the team where he is playing so well. It's good for all parties to make the deal happen and move on, instead of trying to bring him back.
Finally we made good decision to at least loan him out and he has found the team that suits him and the team where he is playing so well. It's good for all parties to make the deal happen and move on, instead of trying to bring him back.
Sanchez? It's hardly as if he's setting the world alight at Inter, is it? He's doing passably. Might be that he's finally accepted that he isn't as good as he once was, and his shoulders have dropped as a result? Or maybe he told the truth when he said he regretted coming here after the first day of training?
Lukaku? Went from not having a team built around him and doing good, to putting on way too much bulk and having his game hampered by it, to then shedding that bulk and playing in a team set up to get the best out of him. One could ask how our fitness team weren't able to get him to shed that bulk, but he's a grown man, and he's gotta take some responsibility for that as well. He wasn't deemed starter material by Ole, who prefers more technically gifted #9s, so he asked to be allowed to leave.
Smalling? Doing exactly what he did here. He was good for us too, his lack of ability on the ball just meant that Ole didn't fancy him as a starter. Someone else did, and he was let go. The only people who think he's improved are the people who think any player on our books is shit.
Lingard's been honest about his struggles off the pitch, his been getting dog's abuse from our fans, and now finds himself in a new environment with less pressure. He's always worked hard and made the right runs, even under Ole, but his decision making on the ball kept letting him down. Maybe he was trying to force it? Maybe now, at West Ham with a lot less pressure, he doesn't overthink or try to force things, he just does what comes naturally to him? In any case, he's the only one of the players you list that has left and actually looked like a new player. But he's done so for two months. Worse players have had longer and more impressive purple patches. Let's give it some time before we declare him a world-class talent held back by our clueless coaches (under three different managers, no less.) It's not even his first time going through a period like this. Remember Messi Lingard? When he had 7 goals and 2 assist over 10 games? Yeah.
Pogba's never looked like he did at Juventus, but he's also injured all the fecking time. He's played some of his best football for us under Ole, though, so if he could stop getting injured, maybe we'd see that player again?
People have been complaining about Bruno's worrying form since last season, but he's been the same player the entire time, just knackered like the rest of the team. His productivity also got normalised to the point where people stopped being awed by his output and started noticing that he's got flaws as well, only they're acting like these flaws came into existence when they discovered them, instead of having been there all along.
I'm not saying our coaching is perfect, or that our coaches always get the best out of our players, I'm saying that you're clutching at straws here.
Who would have thought a player with low skill requires a team that plays entirely on counter attacks and needs space. People never learn.
He is doing really well! Happy for him! His style suits a team which counter-attacks. For a team which retains possession, he will struggle.
Was thinking the same while watching Wolves highlights. If he returns to United, he'll struggle again. Teams don't give so much space like this against us.
Like I said. There’s lots of excuses going around. Always has been. Always will be.
No he wasn't. He spent most of his time here as a fine squad player who, through no fault of his own, ended up being first choice a lot of the time because he was better than all the others we bought. He was really only 'poor' for the last 18, arguably 24, months that he was here, and he basically didn't play for 12 months of that.
He needs a fresh start, him warming bench at Manutd won't help him. 2017-18 was the only time where he showed he is good enough to be a ManUtd player.
Also squad player shouldn't be just a squad players. They should be pushing the first team players all the time to win the position. With Lingard, it's a 0 threat.
I mean he had decent career at Manutd, had few great momenets, playing part in all the trophies we won. But it's time to move on, to the club where he can play regularly and enjoy his game. Him coming back and warming bench wouldn't help anyone.
happy for him
Reality doesn't gel so well with your constructed narrative, does it?
I glad he find a club who adapt his skill set. But we should sell him and let him go.
West Ham is playing a low block team which have a lot of space to run to opposite field which is Jesse's strength skill.
We are playing against a low block team which have a little space to run which is Jesse's weak side.
If we want to level up, we should buy more technical players rather than more this type of player.
Well, if we keep Jesse because of this decent form, should we bring back Moyes? He is on his form too.
West Ham is playing a low block team which have a lot of space to run to opposite field which is Jesse's strength skill.
We are playing against a low block team which have a little space to run which is Jesse's weak side.
If we want to level up, we should buy more technical players rather than more this type of player.
Well, if we keep Jesse because of this decent form, should we bring back Moyes? He is on his form too.
How much has his transfer fee gone up with last night's performance?!!
Imagine if JLingz of all people, help secure CL football for West Ham ahead of Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool.
And we should of course sell him. Hes 28 with one year left on his contract. Him tearing it up at West Ham really only means his price will go up, does not mean he will replicate it if he get called back
And we should of course sell him. Hes 28 with one year left on his contract. Him tearing it up at West Ham really only means his price will go up, does not mean he will replicate it if he get called back
Imagine Moyes and Jesse grinning with Big Ears in May next year
We'd have to shut down the Caf then.Christ. What you really are suggesting here is that the coaching staff at West Ham, in the space of 3 months, have learned a 28 year old to play football. Thats fecking absurd.
There are a lot of factors at play here, but fecking coaching is not one of them
Lots of REALISTIC real life scenarios going on. Always has been always will be. Whichever way you want to comprehend that statement is up to you
On this forum it seems like we’re mostly wrong.I'm reading West Ham's budget is 25m for the summer plus player sales. The best value to extract out of Lingard would be to use him as a make weight for Rice. Something like 35-40M + Lingard would be sweet.
Lingard is overachieving atm and is going to fall back to awfulness by the end of the season. Same thing goes for Moyes and West ham.
They are taking advantage of Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool being god awful this year. Don’t read too much into their current “form” and top 4 conquest. It’s not happening.
West ham are pretty much getting dominated every game, they have incredible luck with scoring every chance they create. Lingard is generally invisible in most games, he is just lucky enough to pull off a goal/assist with his few attempts. It’s ending soon, inevitably.
Hopefully he did enough to be included in Rice deal tho!
Best of luck to him, but he shouldn’t even be considered to be anywhere near OT.
They are taking advantage of Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool being god awful this year. Don’t read too much into their current “form” and top 4 conquest. It’s not happening.
West ham are pretty much getting dominated every game, they have incredible luck with scoring every chance they create. Lingard is generally invisible in most games, he is just lucky enough to pull off a goal/assist with his few attempts. It’s ending soon, inevitably.
Hopefully he did enough to be included in Rice deal tho!
Best of luck to him, but he shouldn’t even be considered to be anywhere near OT.
Fantastic performance, he is arguably WH's best player now, WH now will need to keep him and Bowen so they can at least remain close to the top 4 places next season.
May he will also be suggesting that we should have kept Moyesy longer too.