Champions League Quarter Finals 2020/21 - Apr 6/7 & 13/14

[Boavista]

It always annoys me when an Englishmen talks about tyranies, look in the fecking mirror.

My annoyance with PSG and City is the fact that both these clubs were inconsequential on the European and domestic stage before a couple of rich arseholes decided to throw money at them and now they're one of the best clubs in Europe. It destroys the idea of building your club and dimishes the work done by the other great European teams to get where they are today. Any fecking club can be a European super club in a few years if another rich guy decides he wants to play football manager with them.

I don't disagree on the fact that these teams haven't earned their success through their own work as much, but one thing I don't really like is this excessive reverence for the old money clubs. In many ways the clubs that aren't backed by billionaires but still have enough money to compete every year also benefit from having been successful at the right time, when football began commercialising. That applies to United, it applies to Bayern, and others too. All the successful teams that came before the money poured in for instance kind of missed out on that. Any clubs that have built good teams after these clubs already accumulated significant wealth are just playing catchup all the time, in a never ending cycle of trying to assemble a good team that then breaks apart again.

So there is an element of the elite teams not just doing things right, but doing them right at the right time. It's like older generations with money, who've had the good fortune of making money through real estate when that was still affordable.

 

[Superunknown]

What's really pissing me off is none of the team's in the quarters look all that better than us.

It's frustrating, aye. Have to hope that we have a strong finish for this season, invest well over the summer, and then have another crack next year. We need to improve mentally if we are going to make it far into the competition next year.

 

[Dancfc]

If you are experiencing issues with your life, please don't take it out on the forums. Every time I see you here it's always fighting with someone.

So now we're onto personal attacks, that didn't take long!

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

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[RkkMan]

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[always_hoping]

Went out R16 last year and lost both matches over two legs, went out quarters scored an away goal and got a draw this season. Progress!

That's the Spirit!

 

[Mb194dc]

Yeah I'm baffled at that. The co-commentator kept harping on about his arm being in an unnatural position. I accept that Can could've kept his arm at his sides but common sense needs to be applied. If anything, trying to head the ball in that situation with your hands on your sides or at your back is the actual unnatural position.

They've confused the situation. Had he just blocked the ball with his arm with that body shape of course its a penalty and an unnatural position.

He's headed the ball though, then it hits his upper arm from that header. There is nowhere else his arm can naturally go when stooping forward and heading the ball as he did. Ergo should have been reviewed and cancelled.

It really annoys me, sure natural position is a subjective interpretation, it's a mistake... I feel like VAR was mean to bring justice to football but it fails dismally pretty much every game.

Anyway bring on Madrid and hopefully will be a fair contest. Won't be easy.

 

[hasanejaz88]

I don't disagree on the fact that these teams haven't earned their success through their own work as much, but one thing I don't really like is this excessive reverence for the old money clubs. In many ways the clubs that aren't backed by billionaires but still have enough money to compete every year also benefit from having been successful at the right time, when football began commercialising. That applies to United, it applies to Bayern, and others too. All the successful teams that came before the money poured in for instance kind of missed out on that. Any clubs that have built good teams after these clubs already accumulated significant wealth are just playing catchup all the time, in a never ending cycle of trying to assemble a good team that then breaks apart again.

So there is an element of the elite teams not just doing things right, but doing them right at the right time. It's like older generations with money, who've had the good fortune of making money through real estate when that was still affordable.

I don't agree with that. The biggest clubs in the world today such as United, Liverpool, Bayern, Barca and Real were all successful much before the boom of commercialization in the 90's and 00's. United might not have won a lot in the decades before the 90's, but they still had a large fanbase and revenue from the work Busby put in during the 50's and 60's to build that club. That revenue meant that while they weren't one of the best teams in England, they were still able to sign big players and keep competing.

Same with Bayern, who were in the German 2nd division in the early 60's. They then began investing in young players such as Muller, Maier, Beckenbauer, Schwarzenbeck, Hoeness etc during that period and they became the spine for their dominance domestically and in Europe.

Same can be said for Liverpool, Barca, Ajax etc. Never was it a case of them gaining money during the increase in commercialization, they build their clubs from the ground up before there was money being thrown at the leagues.

 

[Crustanoid]

So now we're onto personal attacks, that didn't take long!

Thanks for personally attacking supporters of actual football clubs. Just make sure you know what you’re doing when you base your attacks on the basis of a plastic nothing club

 

[Crustanoid]

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Football is inherently fecked

 

[Boavista]

I don't agree with that. The biggest clubs in the world today such as United, Liverpool, Bayern, Barca and Real were all successful much before the boom of commercialization in the 90's and 00's. United might not have won a lot in the decades before the 90's, but they still had a large fanbase and revenue from the work Busby put in during the 50's and 60's to build that club. That revenue meant that while they weren't one of the best teams in England, they were still able to sign big players and keep competing.

Same with Bayern, who were in the German 2nd division in the early 60's. They then began investing in young players such as Muller, Maier, Beckenbauer, Schwarzenbeck, Hoeness etc during that period and they became the spine for their dominance domestically and in Europe.

Same can be said for Liverpool, Barca, Ajax etc. Never was it a case of them gaining money during the increase in commercialization, they build their clubs from the ground up before there was money being thrown at the leagues.

I didn't say they turned successful during the commercialisation, but that they were successful during it. My point is that after the money poured into the game massively, the barrier to become successful has become so much higher. Nowadays good luck trying to break into that elite without backing. The gap between the richest teams and the rest just keeps getting larger in most leagues. (This not an endorsement of financial doping btw)

 

[Crustanoid]

I didn't say they turned successful during the commercialisation, but that they were successful during it. My point is that after the money poured into the game massively, the barrier to become successful has become so much higher. Nowadays good luck trying to break into that elite without backing. The gap between the richest teams and the rest just keeps getting larger in most leagues. (This not an endorsement of financial doping btw)

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Thanks for destroying football you corrupt cnuts

 

[Dancfc]

Thanks for personally attacking supporters of actual football clubs. Just make sure you know what you’re doing when you base your attacks on the basis of a plastic nothing club

Why was the reason you supported United out of interest?

 

[Crustanoid]

Why was the reason you supported United out of interest?

1986, my uncle, Salford, that is it. We were in the relegation places that year. Not sure what your point is, plastic?

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

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There is only one way this ends. PSG wins, Mbappe tweets: "I am, but you are not"

 

[charlenefan]

So now we're onto personal attacks, that didn't take long!

You started the personal attacks with this beaut

People like you are why your club will be stuck with the Glazers for a very long time.

don't go crying now you're getting some back

 

[mu4c_20le]

Yes because talking about what someone is like as a football fan is the exact same thing as using mental health to score points.

Err, I was thinking more along the lines of a bad breakup or something. In any case, lighten up.

 

[Manny]

Only one I can stomach the CL from now is Real Madrid. So Hala Madrid?

Yeah an awful situation

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Foden giving Mbappe a lift or something?

 

[Loon]

Last time I relied on Pochettino in a European game he let me down.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Last time I relied on Pochettino in a European game he let me down.

He has the best attacking duo in world football this time at least.

 

[Dancfc]

Err, I was thinking more along the lines of a bad breakup or something. In any case, lighten up.

Apologies that was too much.

 

[RooneyLegend]

It always annoys me when an Englishmen talks about tyranies, look in the fecking mirror.

My annoyance with PSG and City is the fact that both these clubs were inconsequential on the European and domestic stage before a couple of rich arseholes decided to throw money at them and now they're one of the best clubs in Europe. It destroys the idea of building your club and dimishes the work done by the other great European teams to get where they are today. Any fecking club can be a European super club in a few years if another rich guy decides he wants to play football manager with them.

Because of how much money there is in the game building your club is basically impossible without outside investment. Before there was all this money, there was also player restrictions which meant teams couldnt tear apart every up and coming club before theyve achieved anything.

Ask West Ham just how futile an exercise it is to do things right and watch all your players go become club legends elsewhere.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Strange decision in the City game. Now even heading it on to your arm is a foul.

Also, Madrid seemed to be really poor against Livepool who should have scored a few. Chelsea shouldn't have any fear even though they will not be favourites.

 

[Zaphod2319]

Strange decision in the City game. Now even heading it on to your arm is a foul.

Also, Madrid seemed to be really poor against Livepool who should have scored a few. Chelsea shouldn't have any fear even though they will not be favourites.

It will not be an easy win, but I think we have a very good opportunity to make the final.

 

[Morty_]

Well, Liverpool got to play on a proper stadium this time, apparently didnt help much.

 

[kaiser1]

The commentator mentions Real have won 15 out of 16 knockout games after winning the first leg, the one time they didn't they also would have faced us had they gone through.

Not sure this is correct
2003 semi, Madrid 2 Juventus 1, return leg Juve 3 Madrid 1
2007 Madrid 3 Bayern 2, return leg Bayern 2 Madrid 1

 

[Infordin]

And even though PSG has Neymar, Mbappe and Di Maria on top, City plays better football, have a better midfield and defense. Their attacking players is pretty alright too, they score a good amount of goals. Think they also have better depth in the squad. So I fair City will win it over 2 matches unless PSGs trio are on fire and set their chances. City will definetly have most posession so PSG has to set the chances they get for sure.

I disagree with your assessment.

Navas is a better goalkeeper than Ederson

Marquinhos and Kimpembe are easily as good as Dias and Stones, possibly slightly better. I rate Marquinhos the highest out of those four.

Fullbacks: fair enough City is better, although if Bernat was fit he’s a better LB than anyone City have.

Midfield: Verratti and Paredes are easily on the same level as Rodri and Gundogan. A fit Verratti is the best player out of those four.

Attack: KDB, Foden, Mahrez, Bernardo vs Neymar, Mbappe, Di Maria, Draxler = PSG wins

 

[Hansi Fick]

Outrage at 'oil clubs' while being sponsored by a car manufacturer..

 

[RobinLFC]

Depressing that PSG-Real is the best possible outcome for a CL final now while I'd have that near the top of my worst finals list at the outset, feck sake.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Outrage at 'oil clubs' while being sponsored by a car manufacturer..

Did you pull your back just then?

That was quite a reach I must say...

 

[GatoLoco]

Not sure this is correct
2003 semi, Madrid 2 Juventus 1, return leg Juve 3 Madrid 1
2007 Madrid 3 Bayern 2, return leg Bayern 2 Madrid 1

I think the commentator was probably referring to the last 16 knockouts they played.

 

[Paula]

for me a City vs Real Final is now set.

 

[Gandalf Greyhame]

Outrage at 'oil clubs' while being sponsored by a car manufacturer..

It's disappointing to see most of your posts become WUMs, of late. You had some good content earlier.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

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Anyone but City

Anyone but Chelsea

So far, so good.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's disappointing to see most of your posts become WUMs, of late. You had some good content earlier.

I had defended him before but he's a complete trainwreck now.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

for me a City vs Real Final is now set.

PSG have a narrow edge over City, in my opinion. PSG have been to the final as recent as last season, Pochettino has history knocking City out of the Champions League, their confidence will be high having knocked out Bayern.

 

[RkkMan]

I'm shocked at posters here who dont seem to care about City winning the competition thus strengthening their chances of winning a Treble/Quadruple. They'd essentially wipe off the bragging right we've had for years a very strong case will be made they're better than the 99 or 06-09 team.
We'd never ever stop hearing the "Manchester is now Blue" statements

 

[GhastlyHun]

I, for one, could do with less talk of 99.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I'm shocked at posters here who dont seem to care about City winning the competition thus strengthening their chances of winning a Treble/Quadruple. They'd essentially wipe off the bragging right we've had for years a very strong case will be made they're better than the 99 or 06-09 team.
We'd never ever stop hearing the "Manchester is now Blue" statements

Absolutely. If it was just the CL it was bad enough but them winning the treble/quadruple would be sickening.

I'm a Neymar and PSG game for 3 games now.

 

[RkkMan]

Absolutely. If it was just the CL it was bad enough but them winning the treble/quadruple would be sickening.

I'm a Neymar and PSG game for 3 games now.

Same. If City actually achieve the dreaded prize I'll need a long break from this sport cause that's something I can never get over. Would be ten times worse than The Scousers winning the CL and PL back to back