European Super League

[Kounan]

The revenue United and the other teams bring the PL is worth too much to be banning teams. That's the reason their upset anyway, they're worried a super league will stop the PL from being as popular as it currently is

The PL would loose so much on the TV deals, that probably every club would go bankrupt as they would not be able to pay wages to the players and they would not have anyone to sell the players.

 

[Berbaclass]

I get that 100% no one would really watch the Prem, if it were to go ahead (and to be honest I think it will, there'll be some sort of money negotiation going on) then the excitement would be watching who gets into the ESL each year as there is still promotion and relegation to that league. Though the Big 6 would be permanent members of the league. Maybe they're trying to scare the big teams off?

Let's all remember this one very fact the Premier League itself was/is a breakaway league from the old league system! This is kinda like history repeating itself.

People probably made a massive outrage over that too.

 

[Zlatan 7]

I can’t get my head around how transfers would work. I can see the PL teams not having as much money to spend (less tv money, gate receipts etc) and would expect them to have players of a lower level to the super league teams, not worthy of buying and if they were hardly millions worth, so the super teams will just be buying off each other?
Probably would be ok for five years or so but then I can see quality dropping of national leagues a lot and the novelty of a league of 12 wearing off fast

 

[VojjE]

A collection of brilliant teams slugging it out...isn’t that what the champions league is?

I mean with the increase of 36 teams, it is somewhat diluted and would just get worse. This whole swiss model has sounded iffy to me, with UEFA killing the concept of what made the CL great.

 

[Ishdalar]

The revenue United and the other teams bring the PL is worth too much to be banning teams. That's the reason their upset anyway, they're worried a super league will stop the PL from being as popular as it currently is

The only way to protect that revenue for the PL and other European leagues is to kill the superleague as soon as possible.

If the Superleague becomes a thing that's it for the top 5 leagues, no coming back, it's an NBA vs DLeague or whatever you want to call them situation, no one will tune to watch Burnley vs Villa or Sampdoria vs Torino when there's a league with the best teams in the world.

 

[Fanta Stick]

Is this not the best move for the club?

How would you feel if United refused to enter the super league but 5 other PL teams went instead? How far would a moral victory actually get us by the time the super league kicked off? You think we'd sign Haaland? Maybe Sancho? What about a Grealish? Forget it, we'd be shopping in the Championship for players.

Do you think Haaland or Sancho would be happy about not being able to represent their national teams?

 

[MDFC Manager]

Tottenham and arsenal have no business in a European super league. Ffs.

If City are then it must only be going off the lsst 10 years - if that's the case Leicester deserve it too.

I'm sure clubs like Leicester can apply for membership to this new league.

 

[RedDevilzFox]

Might be an unpopular opinion but I am not against it. We do not have all the details yet so I would reserve judgement but to me Champions League is an extremely boring competition at this point. There are 5-6 teams that are reaching every SF and 3-4 that win the competition almost all the time. Its completely predictable. Now they are trying to expand CL with even more pointless teams creating even more pointless games.

I don't yet know if superleague also has the potential to become predictable but one can see why CL is a little bit outdated, prestigious though it certainly is.

 

[Lay]

There’s no talk of leaving the domestic leagues right?

 

[Pep's Suit]

But Spurs and Arsenal aren't even among the best teams in England right now. Atlanta could finish above Juventus in Italy.

That doesn't matter when Arsenal has more fans than Everton+Leicester+Wolves combined. People who like to watch a game here and there want the biggest brands playing each other every week. It's like with movies. A lot of people 'love' movies but when they have to choose they always choose popular brands, famous actors even when they could watch a better low-budget movie made by unknowns.

 

[bond19821982]

Do you think Haaland or Sancho would be happy about not being able to represent their national teams?

Come out of it mate. It's not going to happen. UEFA can't ban players representing the countries for non-sporting reasons.

 

[hobbers]

Might be an unpopular opinion but I am not against it. We do not have all the details yet so I would reserve judgement but to me Champions League is an extremely boring competition at this point. There are 5-6 teams that are reaching every SF and 3-4 that win the competition almost all the time. Its completely predictable. Now they are trying to expand CL with even more pointless teams creating even more pointless games.

I don't yet know if superleague also has the potential to become predictable but one can see why CL is a little bit outdated, prestigious though it certainly is.

You probably want to actually read up on the details we already know because there's literally nothing more predictable than a league with no relegation or promotion and nothing to play for other than outright winning it.

 

[sullydnl]

They haven't said that. I seriously don't understand the outcry from fans and domestic leagues. Nothing changes from the existing format and the small clubs would still get their fair share of money like they are getting now. So what exactly is the issue here if 14 clubs decides to play in an additional tournament?

How does the domestic league function with the incentive of qualifying for a CL place neutered?

Take this season for example, where Leicester and West Ham have currently ousted Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal for CL places. Under a Super League system those teams have a guaranteed spot. So what reward do West Ham and Leicester get for being the better teams in that scenario? One of them might get a super league place? But given they're one of the few teams who have a chance of dropping out of that league next year, they have less opportunity to consolidate that position and therefore less incentive to invest upon achieving it.

Hardly a scenario that makes for a thrilling league.

 

[SER19]

That's it right there, the acceleration of that domination is there for all to see, and it should be blindingly obvious to everyone that no single football can compete with an oil rich state, it's fecking preposterous. So many heads buried in the sand regarding City's (and later PSG's) takeovers and where that was ultimately leading us.

Course to even question it years ago meant you were just bitter.

 

[Kounan]

Do you think Haaland or Sancho would be happy about not being able to represent their national teams?

Probably still happier then having their wages reduced to a third or probably more.

 

[JPRouve]

There’s no talk of leaving the domestic leagues right?

There are talks about being thrown out of them.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Completely agreed. The non oil clubs have been cornered and they're using their brand to run with with idea.

Absolutely cornered due to UEFA/The FA allowing it to happen and being utterly powerless to implement any kind of brake on it. The annual revenue of a club like Real Madrid is pocket change for the U.A.E state.

 

[Berbaclass]

Come out of it mate. It's not going to happen. UEFA can't ban players representing the countries for non-sporting reasons.

Especially when it's not even up to the players whatever happens.

 

[RedDevilzFox]

You probably want to actually read up on the details we already know because there's literally nothing more predictable than a league with no relegation or promotion and nothing to play for other than outright winning it.

Sure, but my point is, we don't yet have all the finalized details. Right now there is a lot of speculation and different news reports. Lets see what it is they are proposing and we can determine at that point if it has merit.

 

[mu4c_20le]

There’s no talk of leaving the domestic leagues right?

There are talks of players being banned from domestic competitions if they take part in this league

 

[tjb]

Let me guess the Presser. We don't want to do this but honestly, left with no other choice due to UEFA acting like a tyrant and making changes we don't like.

Cue some weeks of negotiation and a new structure that suits the moneymen on all sides

Nailed it. I don't think their wrong either, there's too much power in the associations. It was cool for them to create the UEFA Nation's League and create more international fixtures without club consultation

 

[Castia]

Do you think Haaland or Sancho would be happy about not being able to represent their national teams?

You honestly think FIFA will ban players? all that will do is de-value their tournament and brand it’s never going to happen. Who wants to watch a ‘world cup’ with B grade players, the England team will be made up of Everton, Leicester and Villa players.

Fifa, the FA, UEFA are fecked and they know it. These are multi billion, world wide clubs that have too much power there’s not much they can do.

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[RORY65]

They haven't said that. I seriously don't understand the outcry from fans and domestic leagues. Nothing changes from the existing format and the small clubs would still get their fair share of money like they are getting now. So what exactly is the issue here if 14 clubs decides to play in an additional tournament?

Do you really believe that's the end goal? If this happens those clubs will be gone from their domestic leagues shortly. Plus those clubs ditching the Champions League and essentially closing out other clubs does impact the rest of the Premier League anyway, Arsenal and Spurs are midtable sides who would suddenly get a huge injection of revenue beyond that made by teams who are currently much better than them. I'm not sure why I'm arguing so much in fairness given I still think this is unlikely thankfully.

 

[UnitedSofa]

People probably made a massive outrage over that too.

If I remember my research correctly, it was a case of all the big teams making their own league because not enough money was coming in.

I would 100% be confident in saying people were against it too.

 

[Mindhunter]

Just look at the acceleration of City's dominance, from zero PL titles to 5 of the last 10, including soon 3 of the last 4. We are all getting swallowed up by the U.A.E because no football club can compete with a state.

Infuriating seeing so many posters here blaming the clubs, when UEFA and FA are clearly the feckwits that have caused it all.

Exactly. I am so surprised that so few people see it this way. In a few years time these very people would rue not being owned by the Saudis.

Newcastle fecking united will be able to pay better wages than us and suddenly we will be fighting for scraps. This way we are in control of our own destiny yet people get on a high horse to declare the death of football without realizing that their idea of football is already dead. The PL and the CL are living proof.

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

There’s no talk of leaving the domestic leagues right?

It seems the proposals being put forward by the twelve clubs tonight do not involve leaving domestic leagues, no. However, all the domestic leagues and UEFA have issued a statement saying any clubs pushing ahead will be expelled. So it's one or the other.

 

[FlapR]

The FA, UEFA and FIFA are all a complete joke, just like this proposal. For me this just seems like a power play to get more money and favorable terms than what they get currently.

 

[GazTheLegend]

Do you think Haaland or Sancho would be happy about not being able to represent their national teams?

They won't do it. And honestly I'm not sure they'd care.

This is 100% a TV rights issue. The champions League isn't giving enough of a cut to the teams that actually bring in the money (skimming off the top). This was as inevitable as the premier League, once Americans got involved. I don't care about it and Neville moaning is wildly hypocritical, he takes sky sports money.

 

[Halftrack]

The Champions league hasn't been that for years. Since they started letting shite teams from all of Europe in because they won their league

Feck this arrogant attitude. They've been letting in "shite" teams for all over Europe since back when it was called the European Cup. What changed is that they started letting in teams that didn't win their leagues.

 

[bond19821982]

How does the domestic league function with the incentive of qualifying for a CL place neutered?

Take this season for example, where Leicester and West Ham have currently ousted Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal for CL places. Under a Super League system those teams have a guaranteed spot. So what reward do West Ham and Leicester get for being the better teams in that scenario? One of them might get a super league place? But given they're one of the few teams who have a chance of dropping out of that league next year, they have less opportunity to consolidate that position and therefore less incentive to invest upon achieving it.

Hardly a scenario that makes for a thrilling league.

No, it just reiterates the point. Westham and Leicester get the CL money while Chelsea , Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs gets the ESL money. Nothing is being taken away from West Ham or Leicester here. They are still going to play in the dignified CL.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

You honestly think FIFA will ban players? all that will do is de-value their tournament and brand it’s never going to happen. Who wants to watch a ‘world cup’ with B grade players, the England team will be made up of Everton, Leicester and Villa players.

threats need to be credible. No one takes this threat seriously at all.

more chance of Gary Neville managing Liverpool.

 

[Mickeza]

Do you think Haaland or Sancho would be happy about not being able to represent their national teams?

For 6-8 games a year? Versus earning shit tons more competing at the highest level against the very best players. It’s a sodding no brainer. No chance FIFA bans players.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

There’s no talk of leaving the domestic leagues right?

There is talk of us and the others being thrown out of the domestic leagues and the players of those clubs being voided for selection for their respective nations.

 

[GazTheLegend]

Note the clubs that weren't invited: oil oligarch owned shitter's. Isn't this a way to avoid the impotence of UEFA and financial fair play? Chelsea Psg and City in the final 4 of the champions League is the death knell of European football -anyway-, the champions League has been wank for years.

 

[JTW95]

I can’t get my head around how transfers would work. I can see the PL teams not having as much money to spend (less tv money, gate receipts etc) and would expect them to have players of a lower level to the super league teams, not worthy of buying and if they were hardly millions worth, so the super teams will just be buying off each other?
Probably would be ok for five years or so but then I can see quality dropping of national leagues a lot and the novelty of a league of 12 wearing off fast

With all the Americans involved in this I wouldnt be surprised if they propose a draft every year and trades!

And goals will be worth 6 points as well.

 

[GhastlyHun]

I have spoken out for a european Champions' *League* many times, but to deserve the name, it has to be based on performance, i.e., qualification and relegation. The CL is already close to a a closed society of money sacks and moving further in that direction with its own proposed changes. We don't need any more of that, and least of all, a competition envisioned by investor-owned clubs.

 

[RedDevilzFox]

These threats of being expelled feel very hollow. There is virtually no chance players playing at the big clubs get banned. Big clubs bring all the revenue.

There is a better chance of me bagging adriana lima than this.

 

[Zlatans Knee]

Do you think Haaland or Sancho would be happy about not being able to represent their national teams?

Under what law do you think that they can prevent certain players from representing their National teams? That would be like a Bosman case x 1000. Can't see how they will legally enforce that.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

This sounds awful. I guess I will stop following football then.