European Super League

[SadlerMUFC]

Might be an unpopular opinion but I am not against it. We do not have all the details yet so I would reserve judgement but to me Champions League is an extremely boring competition at this point. There are 5-6 teams that are reaching every SF and 3-4 that win the competition almost all the time. Its completely predictable. Now they are trying to expand CL with even more pointless teams creating even more pointless games.

I don't yet know if superleague also has the potential to become predictable but one can see why CL is a little bit outdated, prestigious though it certainly is.

Same 3 or 4? 9 different winners in the past 20 years. The only team to ever defend their title is Real Madrid...

 

[::sonny::]

Announcement incoming:

President: florentino perez (real madrid)
Vice President: joel glazer (man united)
Vice President: john henry (liverpool)
Vice President: stan kroenke (arsenal)
Vice President: andrea agnelli (juventus)

 

[RedStarUnited]

How does the domestic league function with the incentive of qualifying for a CL place neutered?

Take this season for example, where Leicester and West Ham have currently ousted Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal for CL places. Under a Super League system those teams have a guaranteed spot. So what reward do West Ham and Leicester get for being the better teams in that scenario? One of them might get a super league place? But given they're one of the few teams who have a chance of dropping out of that league next year, they have less opportunity to consolidate that position and therefore less incentive to invest upon achieving it.

Hardly a scenario that makes for a thrilling league.

Are you not seeing this from the wrong perspective? If Arsenal, Chelsea et al are not in the CL but in the SL.It gives everyone else the chance to go in the CL. The SL isnt coming in to replace but rather compete against the CL.

 

[sullydnl]

No, it just reiterates the point. Westham and Leicester get the CL money while Chelsea , Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs gets the ESL money. Nothing is being taken away from West Ham or Leicester here. They are still going to play in the dignified CL.

They're going to play in a CL that has been devalued by an enormous magnitude by not having football's biggest clubs in it. What "CL money" do you think there will be at that point?

 

[RedDevilzFox]

Same 3 or 4? 9 different winners in the past 20 years. The only team to ever defend their title is Real Madrid...

Why stop at 20 years, lets go all the way back to 60s. Between just 5 clubs, 37 years of CL titles exist.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

I literally have no respect for opinions like this.

What you want are smaller clubs to remain small permanently and there's no point pretending otherwise. It's just pure protectionism.

If United was some tinpot club, of course you'd want new owners that can build up the club's reputation.

If football was like you wanted, with the same big teams, and the big players only going to the same teams.....how boring is that? Under your mind numbingly boring world, we wouldn't ever be able to see a fantastic fixture like Bayern Vs PSG.

United have more than enough money to compete. The fact that United haven't lifted a title since Fergie left is down to disgraceful mismanagement and NOT money.

You think City would be happy if they were the traditional big club and Utd came from nowhere with cash from some oil rich Prince? Of course they wouldn't.

State ran clubs are the reason this idea is even being floated and I hate it. I want football to go back to when clubs actually earned their way to the top. But those days are done.

PSG and City have taken the piss and big clubs have had enough.

 

[sullydnl]

Are you not seeing this from the wrong perspective? If Arsenal, Chelsea et al are not in the CL but in the SL.It gives everyone else the chance to go in the CL. The SL isnt coming in to replace but rather compete against the CL.

What competition? The SL would have the world's biggest, richest clubs involved along with all the best players. It would kill the CL as we know it.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

There are talks about being thrown out of them.

What is the point if we get kicked out of the PL and cup competitions. So just left with a super league, that someone might run away with so most games will be glorified friendlies with nothing riding on them.

 

[Kazi]

About time

 

[groovyalbert]

I guess this is one way we can make sure Liverpool never reach 20 league titles

 

[bond19821982]

Do you really believe that's the end goal? If this happens those clubs will be gone from their domestic leagues shortly. Plus those clubs ditching the Champions League and essentially closing out other clubs does impact the rest of the Premier League anyway, Arsenal and Spurs are midtable sides who would suddenly get a huge injection of revenue beyond that made by teams who are currently much better than them. I'm not sure why I'm arguing so much in fairness given I still think this is unlikely thankfully.

Ofcourse I do believe that. The domestic leagues is tied to their existence and identity. It's the soul of match going fans. No one is touching or changing it. Forget all that - we earn approximately 2-3 millions as gate revenues during match day. Do you really think we would sacrifice close to 100m for another mere 50 m ?

 

[lsd]

Would the the player's unions be in favour of this if it meant they could not play at international level?

I hardly think the threat of not playing internationals is going to make any difference to anyone

 

[Bobade]

Give it enough time and I'm afraid you'll understand. What UEFA want is to allow as much money as possible come into football but have the biggest revenue makers accept it. They want a 'fairness' that can allow Man City to have a better bench than Arsenal do a first team but still take in all the revenue from Arsenal fans anyway. They want a 'fairness' that is a European 'Champions' league that gives multiple places to big revenue leagues that means that the actual champions from Scotland, Ireland, etc will never be able to make it to the competition proper. They want a 'fairness' that suits only them. The only reason that UEFA care about this is because they stand to lose revenue. If this was Rangers and Dundalk and other small clubs, who are champions, from small nations planning this UEFA wouldn't give a shit.

Well then maybe UEFA should have done more to stop UAE and Qatar from making a joke out of football. Maybe they should have stopped the likes of Leeds, Wigan, us and Liverpool from being taken over by obvious leeches and straddled with huge debts. They created this shit and it is their fault. I hate the super league idea but I simply don't blame the clubs I blame UEFA, the FA and the other league authorities.

Ah I see what you meant now. I don't disagree.

 

[Fanta Stick]

Probably still happier then having their wages reduced to a third or probably more.

These clubs will also be banned from playing in any other competition at domestic, European or world level.

For 6-8 games a year? Versus earning shit tons more competing at the highest level against the very best players. It’s a sodding no brainer. No chance FIFA bans players.

If Haaland was all about the filthy lucre he would have joined Utd instead of Dortmund.

Btw, I do not believe there is any chance of this breakaway league happening as the fans do not want it.

 

[JPRouve]

What is the point if we get kicked out of the PL and cup competitions. So just left with a super league, that someone might run away with so most games will be glorified friendlies with nothing riding on them.

I don't know much, we will have to see what is announced and how everyone reacts in the coming weeks/months.

 

[0le]

You honestly think FIFA will ban players? all that will do is de-value their tournament and brand it’s never going to happen. Who wants to watch a ‘world cup’ with B grade players, the England team will be made up of Everton, Leicester and Villa players.

Pope
Tripper Mings Keane Coady
Rice Bellingham
Sancho Lingard Grealish
Vardy

Subs: Johnstone, Niles, Phillips, Prowse, Calvert-Lewin, Watkins
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Can anyone come up with a better team?

 

[GhastlyHun]

Announcement incoming:

President: florentino perez (real madrid)
Vice President: joel glazer (man united)
Vice President: john henry (liverpool)
Vice President: stan kroenke (arsenal)
Vice President: andrea agnelli (juventus)

Spoiler that shit before i have my puking bags ready

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

You think City would be happy if they were the traditional big club and Utd came from nowhere with cash from some oil rich Prince? Of course they wouldn't.

State ran clubs are the reason this idea is even being floated and I hate it. I want football to go back to when clubs actually earned their way to the top. But those days are done.

PSG and City have taken the piss and big clubs have had enough.

Aye. PL and UEFA should have had the foresight to enforce the German ownership model, in the 90's, they didn't, it resulted in Abramovich and then just went into fecking orbit with the UAE and Qatar sponsoring their own tinpot football teams, two teams that within a decade went from obscurity to looking set to be the dominant forces in football for a long time.
Two sides that traditional clubs simply cannot compete with long term, the rate of acceleration with that domination is crystal clear for all to see.

 

[Traub]

Bayern vs. PSG Champions League final every season then...

 

[Cardboard elk]

I will never watch any of these clubs games again, ever in my life, if this goes through and becomes reality.
My club did well in the 90s. Now we have no chance at all due to the Uefa changes and commercial rights money in the big leagues. And to hear these big rich clubs complain and want more. To be so egocentered and greedy. So entitled.
Kudos to the german and french clubs for having a backbone. We from lesser nations are just being pushed even further down the pissing stream after this I guess. Since propably the big feckers do not want to play against smaller nations teams and even if the new league is cancelled, UEFA will give them what they want and establish a top5 CL. Commercialisation, centralising, greed and class differences. Like rest of society, so with football. puke.

 

[bond19821982]

They're going to play in a CL that has been devalued by an enormous magnitude by not having football's biggest clubs in it. What "CL money" do you think there will be at that point?

Hows that? ESL hasn't said that CL would go away, right? I thought teams are going to play domestic leagues,CL and ESL ?

 

[simon brooks]

Can't you see that your owner is partly responsible for this happening?

When you have Middle Eastern countries buying up small clubs in PSG n City and upsetting the status quo of elite football you're going to get a lot of unhappy major clubs.

Abramovich was the light the ignited the fuse. The UAE n Qatar have added the oil to the fire literally.

for sure I can see that to an extent. I will say the Glazers bought Utd and raped it of profits and used it as a bank loan. that’s different to oil money. I’d suggest totally blaming city is a little rich. If you read my post it was to cross boundaries and we are all fans. however each have their own views. Id suggest this has grown and grown. Greed and egos.

 

[Leftback99]

Will it have a trophy or just one of those big cheques for the winners?

 

[RedStarUnited]

Same 3 or 4? 9 different winners in the past 20 years. The only team to ever defend their title is Real Madrid...

Except for:
Porto Vs Monaco
Bayern Vs Dortmund

Every single CL final has featured a team from the new Super League. With the SL team winning a majority of them.

if it goes ahead, Bayern will for sure join it too in no time.

 

[Mickeza]

These clubs will also be banned from playing in any other competition at domestic, European or world level.


If Haaland was all about the filthy lucre he would have joined Utd instead of Dortmund.

Btw, I do not believe there is any chance of this breakaway league happening as the fans do not want it.

Yeah because Dortmund pay their young unproven talents in apples. They’re oh so wholesome.

 

[The Firestarter]

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I’m not sure [if] Manchester United are involved in this, as I am not part of the decision making process,” he added.

If he really wasn't consulted it is truly damning for the disgusting leeches that own our club.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You think City would be happy if they were the traditional big club and Utd came from nowhere with cash from some oil rich Prince? Of course they wouldn't.

State ran clubs are the reason this idea is even being floated and I hate it. I want football to go back to when clubs actually earned their way to the top. But those days are done.

PSG and City have taken the piss and big clubs have had enough.

So how does this proposal stop City and PSG taking the piss?

 

[Kounan]

These clubs will also be banned from playing in any other competition at domestic, European or world level.

As I have said, that would probably lead do bankrupcy for most English clubs, as they would not be able to pay wages, because of the TV deal, which would go down a lot and not from the next contract, but this existing deal would change drasticly.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

Why stop at 20 years, lets go all the way back to 60s.

because the last 20 years is "the modern game". And if I only used the last 10 years than the OP is going to use Real Madrid's amazing feat to feed their agenda when what that really was, was an indication of just how good CR7 is...

 

[balaks]

I am horrified and disgusted that Spurs are part of this. If they break away from the premiership I'm done supporting them honestly. I say that after supporting them for almost 40 years through thick and thin.

 

[Flying high]

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I hope those quotes are correct that Sir Alex has had nothing to do with the decision and is against it.

 

[Hammerfell]

Announcement incoming:

President: florentino perez (real madrid)
Vice President: joel glazer (man united)
Vice President: john henry (liverpool)
Vice President: stan kroenke (arsenal)
Vice President: andrea agnelli (juventus)

Christ I actually heaved.

 

[crossy1686]

I get that 100% no one would really watch the Prem, if it were to go ahead (and to be honest I think it will, there'll be some sort of money negotiation going on) then the excitement would be watching who gets into the ESL each year as there is still promotion and relegation to that league. Though the Big 6 would be permanent members of the league. Maybe they're trying to scare the big teams off?

Let's all remember this one very fact the Premier League itself was/is a breakaway league from the old league system! This is kinda like history repeating itself.

It's Sky who have been throwing around the term 'breakaway league' when in fact the super league wants to replace the CL. They're pushing a very suspicious narrative

 

[Traub]

Pope
Tripper Mings Keane Coady
Rice Bellingham
Sancho Lingard Grealish
Vardy

Subs: Johnstone, Niles, Phillips, Prowse, Calvert-Lewin, Watkins
​

Can anyone come up with a better team?

Rice, Bellingham, Sancho and Grealish will be picked up by a ESL team in the long run

 

[predator]

Man City fan here. Real fans from all the clubs potentially involved in this do NOT want This to happen. It will end football as we know it. Glad I’m 47 and had a lot of laughs and tears out of the game already. Mate said a funny thing. Half of us are red and half Blue. Mates for 35 years. He said if it goes ahead we may finally get to choose a club like County and all go together as one for the first time in our lives if this move comes off. Match going 32 years for me.my last game was in the away end at OT March 8th I think. It would end my love for the game as I know it’.

All city fans are from stockport

Nah, only joking. I cant support county though as I was born in Manchester and brought up here and still live here.

I will never not support them.

 

[Fanta Stick]

Under what law do you think that they can prevent certain players from representing their National teams? That would be like a Bosman case x 1000. Can't see how they will legally enforce that.

I don't know as that is way above my pay grade. But FIFA have stated previously and UEFA reiterated it today thet they will be looking into it.

Personally, I believe this is all brinkmanship. It is still disgusting.

 

[RedStarUnited]

What competition? The SL would have the world's biggest, richest clubs involved along with all the best players. It would kill the CL as we know it.

Hey, Bayern and PSG are still not confirmed yet...

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

So how does this proposal stop City and PSG taking the piss?

We don't know the rules of the league yet Pogue, but you can be certain it will at least make the other clubs much richer than the CL does today.

 

[crossy1686]

The only way to protect that revenue for the PL and other European leagues is to kill the superleague as soon as possible.

If the Superleague becomes a thing that's it for the top 5 leagues, no coming back, it's an NBA vs DLeague or whatever you want to call them situation, no one will tune to watch Burnley vs Villa or Sampdoria vs Torino when there's a league with the best teams in the world.

No one watches those games anyway. It's a teams responsibility to be better and have people want to watch them, you can't put that on the competition or broadcaster

 

[balaks]

Might be an unpopular opinion but I am not against it. We do not have all the details yet so I would reserve judgement but to me Champions League is an extremely boring competition at this point. There are 5-6 teams that are reaching every SF and 3-4 that win the competition almost all the time. Its completely predictable. Now they are trying to expand CL with even more pointless teams creating even more pointless games.

I don't yet know if superleague also has the potential to become predictable but one can see why CL is a little bit outdated, prestigious though it certainly is.

This isn't a new champions League. They will leave the premiership.