For an elite competition and United getting more of a cut, yes, absolutely, still am. Was I for United being kicked out of the PL, no.
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Just block him mate, some of these “fans” just don’t get it and never will.
You were frothing over the thought of it.
You were frothing over the thought of it.
Yeah sure, bought a t-shirt and everything. Couldn't wait...Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal , City and Spurs are worth over $20bn between them and all 6 are in the ten richest clubs in the world, which may suggest why Arsenal and Spurs were included in the SL to the astonishment of some.
That's not including many other Pl and lower league teams. Do you seriously think all the owners are going to give up the ownership of these clubs under compulsory purchase. Surefire way to ensure this SL does happen.
obviously no offence to foreign fans, I just think foreign owners bring too much headache and too much greed. The clubs should belong to the fans.
I literally posted 20 minutes ago saying that supporters of the breakaway clubs aren’t to blame, and they should be lauded for their staunch opposition. That doesn’t mean the clubs themselves did no wrong, if you took off your goggles you’d see that.
Look at the values of the other clubs as well , Liverpool are only just behind us at $4.1bn.
Imminent statement from Luke Shaw.
They should have added promotion and relegation to the Super League, that was their biggest mistake.
yep and they’ve shown they can’t be trusted! i wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to pull the same stunt again 5 years down the line.
Sitting on the fence is same as supporring it to me. It is a cartel how can you not oppose it?
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The share price will go down, the owners will still have to service the debt and all other expenses. The pundits are against them, so are fans and authorities. When the fans are allowed back in, they will get quite vocal too. The board will either have to spend more or sell. Letting the club rot will cost hundreds of millions in the profit lost.
The owners did wrong and they should be kicked out.
But Footygirl, English owners are also greedy? You know, there are no innocents anywhere....
Fully apologize no harm ment.
Point taken.
So Mou is the only super league manager to ever be sacked. What a legend.
The selfish 6 should all be massively punished here. I would have no problem with relegation to the championships. Also we need Boris to push through the reforms to allow fans a % stake in ownership to prevent this from happening again. This doesn't stop from a supporters point of view we have to get rid of the Glazers
As others on here know, I am not one to let things go, so be happy I'm letting you off with just this one.
Great post.
In what way is the Champions League not elite enough for you?
I honestly think the owners of these 12 clubs assumed the fans of their clubs would be mostly positive and just a few hardcore would be against it. It probably doesn't even commute in their brain, "we were going to give them the best games every year why were they so upset?!".
Ah the old Stalin approach of if you're not for the revolution, you're against it. Because as I said previously, we didn't know all the details of what was going to happen, if the PL could work in conjunction etc. I wanted to see what the fallout was going to be and I was also happy for United to play in an elite competition. Everything else around that I'm not interested in. I just hope the CL reforms are going to be decent now but from what Klopp said yesterday it just looks like more games...
I wonder how much the players are doing to bring this down. I know the threat of not being able to play international football should be enough to get players threatening mutiny.
That and going behind everyone’s back including fans and players and essentially staging a coup. That was a little mishap too
Perez also needs to go....he's the one who came up looking evil out of all of this. Yet Spain is a funny place.
Let him be. I don't think he understands the problem of not needing to compete to be a true elite club. He wants the cake and the icing of it without effort.
Mate, I really don't want to go through this again but no. A competition that has Midgyhtland in the group stage and teams like United, Roma and AC Milan sitting at home isn't elite in my opinion. Just my opinion though, many on here seem to think it is. It doesn't get good until the semi's.
You mean local fans? I am all for it. As I said earlier, if the shares were to be floated publicly, I would consider buying some. If not, then it is okay. Would not lose much sleep over it. As for foreign fans they generate an absolute majority of the club's income. But this is for another thread.
That too.
But that was no mistake. They want guaranteed dough, year-in, year-out. Having relegation and promotion basically made the idea somewhat pointless from the vultures' point of view.
You wasn’t the one that’s anted exciting transfers like swapping Kane for Bruno? I Can’t remember there was a few getting excited
You can't force a PLC to sell at a price that you set. And you can't force it to sell at the time you want. The owners might value their clubs at 20bn each and that's the value you have to pay.
You can force them by taxation and other measures, but you have to be real careful not to break the system or limit foreign investments as a collateral damage.
If those teams do want to sell, what the govt can do is allow the best loan terms so that the fans can buy it at favorable conditions like the last part of your post but can be a warrant on that loan because it can create a dangerous precedent of profiting from those stocks in the process through those 50%.
Well the free market hasn’t worked for fans so that’s where the Govt needs to step in. I don’t care what Roman Abramovich or Malcolm Glazer wants. If our Govt passes a law saying clubs need to be majority owned by fans then that needs to happen. Billionaires can take their money elsewhere. They still get fair market value.
They did it in Germany with a handful of exceptions for Wolfsburg and somebody else because it was set up by VW as a team for their workers. It was always owned by the company.
I don’t see how the big six can be worth over $20bn when Utd are the most valuable at $4.2bn. The football league as a whole has very little value when you consider the debts of the teams. The value is concentrated in the premier league because that’s where the money is.
Wolves were bought for £45m in the Championship or 1x Van De Beek. They are valued £450m now as a PL team. Even if you were generous and said the 92 football league teams average value was £50m that’s still only 4.6bn. Utd are worth roughly the same as the entire football league.
Oh wow I bugger off for a few hours and it's all change barbapapa 
It's elite until Manchester United can win titles in the bloody EPL and dominate 38 games over a season. Until then, we don't deserve to be called elite in any fashion. Especially when our last title was 8 years ago and we don't seem to be able to listen to football people. Maybe now it's about to change a little bit but the road is long before we become an elite club again. No title = not elite.
Ironically he caused it. That interview killed the plan.