VP89
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I wonder if refs are purposely doing this because they don't want to have VAR.
Nah. The reality is that VAR isn't going anywhere and I'm sure they're as aware of that as anyone. Plus it's not like they don't get criticised in incidents like this either.I wonder if refs are purposely doing this because they don't want to have VAR.
Or it's highlighting just how bad the referees are.The referees are constantly being called out. Every second post in this thread is complaining about a referee being crap at his job.
The issue with VAR is that it was supposed to make referees better at their job. When a new technology is intended to improve refereeing performances and turns out to have the opposite effect then I’d say the new technology is a bigger problem than the referees.
It literally happened within 0.6 seconds of the West Ham player striking the ball.Just seen the West Ham red card and I don't think that's a shocker of a decision to be honest. Even in real time, it looked like a nasty follow through. It's definitely at least a yellow, even if the red does seem a bit harsh to me
Good idea.Time to put ex football players in the VAR room alongside refs, this is beyond ridiculous.
Surprised you don’t have a graph showing silly VAR calls.Awful call for the red card.
I know a lot of people are complaining about the ref viewing it in slow-mo but even in slow-mo most of us thought it wasn't a red.
The bigger issues are the ones we've seen ever since VAR was introduced to the PL. Namely the erratic "clear and obvious" threshold they've never really got to grips with and their use (or lack of use, or sort-of-use-but-not-really) of the pitchside monitors. In this case it meant it was referred by VAR when it shouldn't have been and once the ref went to look at it he was very unlikely to stick to his original decision.
Obviously it's subjective, so there will always be grey areas and decisions we disagree with. But as many of know from our own jobs, it's not that hard to put good protocols and training into place to ensure a good standard of subjective decision making. It's not like the decisions they're dealing with here are complex beyond comprehension. In this case though it all seems to be a mess.
I would imagine it has left the refs both very confused and very afraid of making a mistake, which isn't a state of mind that will lead to good calls.
I wish.Surprised you don’t have a graph showing silly VAR calls.
That’s in no way pejorative, there’s just been so many they could probably start being compared against each other & absurdity in general.
I honestly waffle between ‘Christ, another graph in football’ (not specifically you, just in general) & ‘it’s fecking interesting breaking it down to the granular level.’I wish.
xGVARI honestly waffle between ‘Christ, another graph in football’ (not specifically you, just in general) & ‘it’s fecking interesting breaking it down to the granular level.’
Can’t wait to see the VAR decision graph. It’s only a matter of time.
He doesnt make the second tackle if booked for the first.Proper ref, and City would be down to 10.
That's the issue. If that West ham one is a red, that should be to.So KDB isnt sent off? Wasnt that reckless?
Whole thing is ridculous
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The sooner the line-drawing goes the better.
It’s Man City going for the league and Sterling is an English darling. Too controversial.Can anyone give any rational reason why the ref didn’t even get asked to have a look at Sterling planting his studs, full force, above Werner’s ankle?!
He dived, he knew what he was doing, anticipated the contact and was falling down even before Henderson actually got close to him.I feel a bit sorry for Watkins. He's expected to get cleaned out by Henderson and let himself go limp in anticipation. It's definitely not a penalty but i don't think it's a dive either, it's not like he's screaming to claim one. I'd sooner see the referee let those go.
I’m sure it’s been asked before, but I don’t understand why the referee on the pitch isn’t allowed to ask to see the monitor if he’s already stopped the game. It can still be used to pick up things the ref has completely missed, but in Sterling’s case, the ref must have been debating in his mind whether to give a yellow or red.Can anyone give any rational reason why the ref didn’t even get asked to have a look at Sterling planting his studs, full force, above Werner’s ankle?!
Yeah, agreed. That was how I saw it too. He must have thought he was going to get absolutely clattered. One of those rare occasions when you can justifiably excuse diving on the basis of self preservation.I feel a bit sorry for Watkins. He's expected to get cleaned out by Henderson and let himself go limp in anticipation. It's definitely not a penalty but i don't think it's a dive either, it's not like he's screaming to claim one. I'd sooner see the referee let those go.
He doesnt even dive to get out of the way, he throws his body as if there was contact.I feel a bit sorry for Watkins. He's expected to get cleaned out by Henderson and let himself go limp in anticipation. It's definitely not a penalty but i don't think it's a dive either, it's not like he's screaming to claim one. I'd sooner see the referee let those go.
Who knows to be honest... I think it changed to allow more leeway to arms "being in natural position" but then there was also something about "arms being above shoulders is unnatural" ... and then there's also distance to the ball (which is sometimes taken into consideration, and sometimes isn't).Did they change the handball rule again? I know all the joke ones right at the start of the season when players weren't even looking and balls were being smashed at their hands and they were being given so that was rightfully amended but yesterday we head it back into penalty area and Greenwood's hand is by his head so really he knows what he's doing....don't understand why ref didn't go and look at it on his monitor.
Before you all pile in it was a clear penalty on Pogba so no idea why Dean Smith was highlighting that post match and Ollie went down far too easily.
We got this called v us just 3 months back:
The big difference between the two is Greenwood was jumping and so his arms were in a natural position. That isn’t the case with the one given against City. It doesn’t make it any less arbitrary. You wouldn’t be surprised to see something similar given next time it happens.Did they change the handball rule again? I know all the joke ones right at the start of the season when players weren't even looking and balls were being smashed at their hands and they were being given so that was rightfully amended but yesterday we head it back into penalty area and Greenwood's hand is by his head so really he knows what he's doing....don't understand why ref didn't go and look at it on his monitor.
Before you all pile in it was a clear penalty on Pogba so no idea why Dean Smith was highlighting that post match and Ollie went down far too easily.
We got this called v us just 3 months back:
I would feel more sorry for him were it not for the fact he went to Henderson to ask him to stick up for him and didn’t immediately look to the ref for a penalty.I feel a bit sorry for Watkins. He's expected to get cleaned out by Henderson and let himself go limp in anticipation. It's definitely not a penalty but i don't think it's a dive either, it's not like he's screaming to claim one. I'd sooner see the referee let those go.