Barring the idiotic violence in small spurts - absolutely. Disruption without violence is key. Some nobs jumping on cars and throwing shit ruin it a bit.
Do you agree with the protest today?
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Out of interest to American supporters, what do American football fans think of the Glazers? I know they are probably popular right now as they won the super bowl. But it was many barren years since their previous win. Were Tampa fans also disgruntled?
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so the fans were heroes two weeks ago but they are "disgraceful" today? Embarrassing journalism.
Isn't it the other way around?
He said it was a criminal act, and I agreed with him. It was a matter of justification.
Go and read the discussion more carefully then get back to me.
It’s not a fair poll. It should also include do you agree with the way we protested.
But not everything evil, shameful, or wrong is illegal. Let’s not just cherry-pick one definition of a crime.
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I am from Brazil, and agree completely. And go one step further, what happened today is very mild compared to a lot of protests not only here, but in all South America.
That makes the postponement even more ridiculous.
Don't bother having to play Liverpool tomorrow or even on a latter date, the message was great.
Just stop to buy any united jersey or other product until the glazer are out. Don t buy ticket to the stadium when it open again.
And make it known through social media
If it is followed enough, the glazer will have to sell united before it start to drop in value
And make it known through social media
If it is followed enough, the glazer will have to sell united before it start to drop in value
Up and down. When they took over the Buccaneers, the franchise was one of the worst and lowest valued in the NFL at around $200m. Now they’ve won 2 Super Bowls and are valued at around $1.5 billion. There were 20 years of bad performances in between the Super Bowls that caused folks to start to dislike them, but obviously recent events have changed that a bit.
Look fella... Yes or No. Did the Glazers break a law to buy the club?
Think most here would agree that they entirely back any non-violent protest (including forcing postponements through trespass/civil disobedience) and condemn those who go out looking for a fight with club staff or police.
I'd hope that if there are future protests that fans will employ their critical thinking skills and not fall for the typical media/establishment trick of misrepresenting/generalising/demonising protestors to undermine their cause.
I'd hope that if there are future protests that fans will employ their critical thinking skills and not fall for the typical media/establishment trick of misrepresenting/generalising/demonising protestors to undermine their cause.
The violence today is not acceptable which takes a shine over what was done today.
Yet, how do the powerless let the ones on power hear their voice? The rich and powerful do what they want and the rest of the peasants just have to accept it. We have to protest but peacefully, what else can we do.
The MSM are a disgrace they run by the elite anyway, they will paint the picture that suit their rich overloads.
Yet, how do the powerless let the ones on power hear their voice? The rich and powerful do what they want and the rest of the peasants just have to accept it. We have to protest but peacefully, what else can we do.
The MSM are a disgrace they run by the elite anyway, they will paint the picture that suit their rich overloads.
Look lads, I understand supporters of the club being upset with what has happened to us. We are used to being champions and now we are just a top-four club being regularly beaten by our closest rivals.
However, I have a different opinion about the glazers... I don't think that they are anywhere near as bad as what this forum has made them out to be, and if anything during their tenure the club has grown massively.
Firstly, there's a lot of criticism for the way the glazers bought our club. In reality, what they did to buy the club was completely legal. They bought the club with leverage, taking a huge risk that the purchase would pay off. If not they would have lost hundreds of millions of dollars.
Then people are also complaining about them saddling us with debt, but they have only taken out around 20 million, which is a tiny fraction of our revenue. The rest of the money has been reinvested into the club, not like Arsenal under Kroenke. We have signed the most expensive CB in the world, and every season we drop at least 100 million quid. How can we possibly complain that that isn't enough? We're second in the league for god sake, having improved from 5th place.
Additionally, them saddling the club with debt isn't really a big deal because interest rates are almost at an all-time low, so it's a great time to take debt.
People wanting this 50+1 thing are basically communists, trying to ruin competition in football. Allowing the mega-wealthy to buy clubs means that we get huge investment into teams like man city and Chelsea have done, making our league even more competitive. This helps bring more fans to the league and increase the standards of football. Otherwise small clubs can only spend the revenue that they have, so they will never challenge the big boys.
At the end of the day, these clubs are businesses. Football players, coaches, and staff are all trying to earn wages. We on the other hand are fans, if we don't like what is happening then what are we doing supporting the club? Being akin to a religious cultist?
However, I have a different opinion about the glazers... I don't think that they are anywhere near as bad as what this forum has made them out to be, and if anything during their tenure the club has grown massively.
Firstly, there's a lot of criticism for the way the glazers bought our club. In reality, what they did to buy the club was completely legal. They bought the club with leverage, taking a huge risk that the purchase would pay off. If not they would have lost hundreds of millions of dollars.
Then people are also complaining about them saddling us with debt, but they have only taken out around 20 million, which is a tiny fraction of our revenue. The rest of the money has been reinvested into the club, not like Arsenal under Kroenke. We have signed the most expensive CB in the world, and every season we drop at least 100 million quid. How can we possibly complain that that isn't enough? We're second in the league for god sake, having improved from 5th place.
Additionally, them saddling the club with debt isn't really a big deal because interest rates are almost at an all-time low, so it's a great time to take debt.
People wanting this 50+1 thing are basically communists, trying to ruin competition in football. Allowing the mega-wealthy to buy clubs means that we get huge investment into teams like man city and Chelsea have done, making our league even more competitive. This helps bring more fans to the league and increase the standards of football. Otherwise small clubs can only spend the revenue that they have, so they will never challenge the big boys.
At the end of the day, these clubs are businesses. Football players, coaches, and staff are all trying to earn wages. We on the other hand are fans, if we don't like what is happening then what are we doing supporting the club? Being akin to a religious cultist?
I don't understand why you say this when I've agreed with you that from a purely legal perspective, a crime was committed today by the United fans. The Glazers have been immoral and unethical but legal in their involvement with Manchester United.
Today I believe the Manchester United fans acted illegally but were justified in their response.
The controversial statement would be, not everything illegal is immoral or unethical, like what the fans did today.
Hey Joel
I've already said no, which is why I said it was a legal crime.
What is your point exactly?
You're friends with this guy or something?
You don't agree with what happened today?
100% agree with the protest. Could have done without the violence but these things happen at times. If the protest had stayed outside Old Trafford the Glazers and media would have just ignored it. The fact now that the game was postponed over the protest will reach every corner of the globe and the Glazers will have a lot to think about. GGMU
Right, so looks like I read it exactly right the first time through and was spot on with my assessment of you being intentionally obtuse.
Yes and anyone who votes no has zero right to complain when our next transfer window is just as shambolic as the last one.
Yes please
You're pathetic.
Dont throw accusations about me, just because I disagree with you.
If you want change, act.
Or be like you, criticize anyone who does anything because you're too afraid to do anything for yourself and hold some sort of moral high ground saying 'it wasnt me sir '
Throw all the insults you want mate. I'm not a neanderthal thug, but I have many names for you, attack the post, not the poster remember.
Now, sit back down in that comfy chair at home and complain about everything, whilst doing nothing
In principle, yes. Should everyone who vandalized, looted, or assaulted security get arrested? Also yes.
How so?
He said what the fans did today was illegal, and I agreed from a purely legal perspective, but put I forward a case that it was justified.
Explain your point of view. Or is it you being obtuse?
Fully behind today and thank you to anyone that could attend today.
One hundred per cent yes. Don't let any idiotic minority detract from the aims. Sadly, there will be idiots at any protest for a good cause.
Serious question, is this all about us not spending millions in the transfer window? Fan protests are being touted as being mainly about the super league, and those two are separate issues.
Totally 100% yes on the protest.
Totally 100% no to any kind of violence
Totally 100% no to any kind of violence
What specifically is deluded about my comment? I listed several valid points, and you try and count on herd mentality to silence others. If you care to make a good point I will read it.
We need solutions, not baseless acusations.
The problem is alcohol. I’m sure that idiot who threw the camera/pod would not have done what he did, if he was sober. I think it is very unlikely that you will have a protest against the glazers without alcohol fuelled unrest IMO.
No.
Only because of the idiots who got inside and those fighting the police outside.
Only because of the idiots who got inside and those fighting the police outside.
The Americans will be leaving. The Saudis will come, however.
Even during a pandemic?
I think you're being obtuse yourself. He clearly meant it in a more figurative way, so people should stop getting on his case, just so they can 'win' the argument about a choice of words.
Also, the fact the law allows it doesn't mean it should have been allowed to begin with. That's why the protest is to do something about this injustice. We're clearly at a stage where things cannot go the way they are which implies mistakes were made in the past.
People in the UK have lost pensions in the past because these Leveraged Buy-outs have been allowed to happen and companies have been drained by greedby billionaires like Phillip Green. So, again, the law is not always the perfect compass which a few people in this thread fail to appreciate.
The protest was legal. The policy knew about it. Snooker is being played inside with almost a full audience. Stop trying to score points and understand that the UK is in a completely different place with regard to numbers and cases recorded daily.
Not that I disagree with the protests but you will always get wankers just there to be arseholes, and really the Glazers wont give a feck. If you really want them out, boycott their money, today didn't hurt them in the slightest.
This.
Just as anyone who voted "yes" doesn't have the right to complain if we get sold to the Saudis or someone worse.
Agreed?