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Fecking lightweight then isn't he. Can I come and set a flare off in your general direction? Is that OK? State of this.Somebody set a flare off in his general direction and he shat himself.
Fecking lightweight then isn't he. Can I come and set a flare off in your general direction? Is that OK? State of this.Somebody set a flare off in his general direction and he shat himself.
Yeah, because we Americans have never had to protest for anything to change.Name checks out.
Heard commentators on the radio make the point that the facilities for them are some of the worst in the league too, which is a reflection of how OT has generally been allowed to age badly.The roof is leaking, there's been no expansion for 10 years (where other clubs have caught up), the toilets are in a state.
And this is from my limited 'research', as I am no match-going fan. I can let others here explain in more detail.
No. It would have stopped the policeman getting a cut on his face.So, wearing a helmet would have absolved the idiot who struck the cop of any blame? A protection device would have made the assault legal when that cop was trying to get that nutter out of the stadium?
But all that doesn’t matter feck all legally.You're looking at it purely from a legal perspective. Legally you are correct.
What you're failing to appreciate is that the club is nothing without the fans. There would be no Manchester United without the precious fans.
What red blooded fans see is that they were walking onto the pitch of THEIR CLUB!
Yeah!Please ban anyone who disagrees with the protests, they're part of the problem.
The state of you.Fecking lightweight then isn't he. Can I come and set a flare off in your general direction? Is that OK? State of this.
Eh?Please ban anyone who disagrees with the protests, they're part of the problem.
In the background, it’s all green. You can actually see a painted line on the grass behind the cop. It was inside the stadium, it wasn’t during the fracas outside the stadium.No. It would have stopped the policeman getting a cut on his face.
Is that when it happened? When he was trying to get the “nutter” out of the stadium? Genuinely interested, as I didn’t see any violence inside the stadium. Sky didn’t report any and said they left peacefully.
we got one, boys, we know americans can’t do sarcasm.Yeah, because we Americans have never had to protest for anything to change.
And we all love the owners because we are American.
We need another poll.Please ban anyone who disagrees with the protests, they're part of the problem.
Again, you're right if you look at the crime of the situation from a legal perspective.But all that doesn’t matter feck all legally.
Yes, I do understand the emotions behind what was done today. I’ve been a part of a massive court invasion after a big win & almost went to jail for it. We definitely get caught up in the romance of our club, no doubt about it.
But to somehow justify a crime because of passion is bizarre. It’s trespassing, it’s a crime.
That makes it OK then. You know nothing about me. I don't break the law, I'm not a neanderthal thug, I don't go around kicking the shit out of people that can't fight back, or rather, I don't go round kicking the shit out of anyone.The state of you.
No offense, you go away to Leeds / West Ham and you gonna see that all the time.
I dont see Graham Sounness talking about Galatasaray fans, or Rangers fans who have done a lot worse.
It's not even only mass organization and high volume of actors similar to what you've done, but there must be active and constructive plans for change at the higher levels.But such things need mass organistion. I personally haven't given the Glazers any money for years. I stopped going to games. I later stopped my sky subscription as well. Many of us did after the take over. But not enough. Events like today are essential to build enough momentum for the other avenues to be effective. This isn't the end of the action, it's just another step in the right direction.
Lighter than a coatwhy do you need a can of beer in hand to protest?
Not that I disagree with the Protest.
Okay no worries. I didn’t realise there was issues like that inside. It wasn’t really shown or mentioned on tv, and I didn’t see it on social. I think people should be able to separate the legitimate protesting from the violence. I highly doubt everyone went in the stadium looking for violence. It was done for maximum exposure and worked.In the background, it’s all green. You can actually see a painted line on the grass behind the cop. It was inside the stadium, it wasn’t during the fracas outside the stadium.
Well, shit.we got one, boys, we know americans can’t do sarcasm.
Your initial post said how can a fan call it ‘trespassing.’ There’s no other way to define that.Again, you're right if you look at the crime of the situation from a legal perspective.
I would ask you what you think is worse, crime committed legally or crime committed illegally?
The Glazers bought the club using loans secured against the value of the club in order to make personal profit from the club? How can you justify this?
Here you go again.Absolutely not. I respect the law and the police, I don’t believe football is ever a reason for escalations like these. On top of all, it’s a global pandemic and governmental restrictions are in place - which were completely overlooked by a bunch of half-witted clowns.
Protesting in itself is a human right in a democracy - hence why the polls are in the 90% I guess. This is however not a peaceful protest, many of these are criminals and it is an embarrassing day for Manchester United and England. Grim day for the security company in charge of Old Trafford too, surely many employees at the stadium are scared shitless as a consequence.. just like employees in Congress a few months ago.
The game is off, it will be played tomorrow, no difference has been made whatsoever - except for a few people going to prison and never going back to Old Trafford again. This is JUST football, this is not overthrowing government tyranny. I saw people throwing flares at the clothed stands, which could lead to fires.. I saw kids (!) among the people on the crowded pitch, I saw a mob pressing the police into a corner, a police man with a smashed face… I was wondering if this was England in 2021 or Yugoslavia back in the 90’s. Many of the people there were just present to fight and cause trouble. And no, the argument that «a small minority among otherwise peaceful protesters bla bla» does not work, this was always the outcome if you gather up like this and involve football fans.
The message to the Glazers could have been made in a different, elegant way, this is the equivilant of hitting someone in the face because you didn’t come up with better words in a discussion. If we let thugs dictate the world like this, what kind of world are we looking for? Again, it’s just football and we have not been relegated or moved to a different city, we are 2nd and soon playing in a final. Again, embarrassing day for Manchester United.
Agreed - no quibble from meDisrupting the game, the glazers, protests outside the hotel yes, bellends in the stadium throwing tv camera's and people attacking the police no and i hope they get banned for life.
This - in spadesNone of the violence would happen if Glazers didn't try ship the club to ESL and destabilize already shitty relationship with supporters. This is just another argument to not stop the protests.
The faster they f*ck off, the better. Protests In, Glazers Out.
It doesn't work like that unfortunately. It's clear they weren't expecting disorder of that nature so wouldn't have been deployed in full gear. It can been seen as inflammatory and oppressive to turn to to a peaceful protest in full riot gear from the word go.That’s very unfortunate, but always happens when police step in to disperse protests. No idea why the police wouldn’t have had riot gear.
Bit of a strawman there. No one is saying that everyone went into the stadium with violent intentions.Okay no worries. I didn’t realise there was issues like that inside. It wasn’t really shown or mentioned on tv, and I didn’t see it on social. I think people should be able to separate the legitimate protesting from the violence. I highly doubt everyone went in the stadium looking for violence. It was done for maximum exposure and worked.
Protesters who do things like this should be identified and prosecuted to the full extent possible. And any posters here who applaud that sort of thing should be banned.“Those in the stadium were evicted by officers but outside on the forecourt hostility grew with bottles and barriers being thrown at officers and horses. Two officers have been injured with one officer being attacked with a bottle and sustaining a significant slash wound to his face requiring emergency hospital treatment.
Not sure what your point is here. I conceded that the fans legally committed a crime.Your initial post said how can a fan call it ‘trespassing.’ There’s no other way to define that.
What is a legally committed crime / an illegally committed crime? Can you give examples of these?
I don’t think I’ve ever heard these terms before.
That's seems more like letting the stadium rot rather than the club but fair enough.The roof is leaking, there's been no expansion for 10 years (where other clubs have caught up), the toilets are in a state.
And this is from my limited 'research', as I am no match-going fan. I can let others here explain in more detail.
The state of this post. I'm sure you'll totally disagree with me, but mate you just don't get it.Absolutely not. I respect the law and the police, I don’t believe football is ever a reason for escalations like these. On top of all, it’s a global pandemic and governmental restrictions are in place - which were completely overlooked by a bunch of half-witted clowns.
Protesting in itself is a human right in a democracy - hence why the polls are in the 90% I guess. This is however not a peaceful protest, many of these are criminals and it is an embarrassing day for Manchester United and England. Grim day for the security company in charge of Old Trafford too, surely many employees at the stadium are scared shitless as a consequence.. just like employees in Congress a few months ago.
The game is off, it will be played tomorrow, no difference has been made whatsoever - except for a few people going to prison and never going back to Old Trafford again. This is JUST football, this is not overthrowing government tyranny. I saw people throwing flares at the clothed stands, which could lead to fires.. I saw kids (!) among the people on the crowded pitch, I saw a mob pressing the police into a corner, a police man with a smashed face… I was wondering if this was England in 2021 or Yugoslavia back in the 90’s. Many of the people there were just present to fight and cause trouble. And no, the argument that «a small minority among otherwise peaceful protesters bla bla» does not work, this was always the outcome if you gather up like this and involve football fans.
The message to the Glazers could have been made in a different, elegant way, this is the equivilant of hitting someone in the face because you didn’t come up with better words in a discussion. If we let thugs dictate the world like this, what kind of world are we looking for? Again, it’s just football and we have not been relegated or moved to a different city, we are 2nd and soon playing in a final. Again, embarrassing day for Manchester United.