Let's not build a kid signing as the next Messi shall we? The hype here was absolutely ridiculous. As if he was just going to walk in and get a goal/assist a game or something. Pellistri and Amad, RW sorted, apparently. One is on loan an the other bareky features. They're kids, give them time. And a lot of it.
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No I am not arguing VDB isn't good enough. I said he isn't a winger which he is not.
And there are plenty of reasons VDB can't play on the left wing like Pogba. Them being completely different players being the main thing.
He can't dribble, can't beat a man etc etc etc.
Making Donny play LW is doing a disservice to him because if he is struggling at CM he will always be worse at LW because he doesn't have the attributes to play it.
Next Messi? Messi is the Amad prototype
Nathan Ake joined City for 45m, and didn't even play as much as VdB, but i agree with your overall point
No one is arguing he is the next Messi. People just think he should have seen a few more minutes.
He hasn't got on the pitch since the AC game where he scored an unbelievable goal
It's reasonable to think he earned a few minutes. Especially when we are giving VDB minutes in a position that doesn't suit him. Which isn't good for VDB or the team imo.
He is also by far the best player in our under 23s. He is very comparable to Greenwood in there that he is way too good to consider loaning despite what is said in here.
Given the opportunity he could easily overtake James in the pecking order.
But why have the bench cameos stopped? Tie was done in the first leg could have at least thrown him on for the last 15 minutes.
We aren't City. That said we need to stop playing VDB on the wing just for the sake of giving him minutes.
It's a disservice to himself. The team and to the wingers like Amad and all who are trying to earn minutes.
It doesn't help anyone to squeeze a square peg into a round hole by putting Donny on the wing.
Does it get any more optimal than an aggregate advantage of being five goals up at half-time? I mean, ffs. If you're worried that a talented, but slight kid being brought on will result in a total and utter collapse of that magnitude from the team then you might as well send him on loan.
Again you ignored all the other points. Back to VdB, it's not left wing as much as a left sided 8 just like Pogba described it. He should have no issues linking the play from that position.
Agree to disagree then. Other points are fair as reasons to not play full games for sure.
I don't think he should be playing loads or anything that 45 and goal against AC earned him some minutes imo
Your could see with both Shaw and Telles having Donny ahead of them made for a real struggle when trying to progress the ball down that side.
It gives me hope on VDB that Diallo hasnt started - its arguably a position we need some back up in and we still havent used him.
Hopefully after a pre season we can see some players being used - if not then they are clearly a player not fit for our current manager.
Hopefully after a pre season we can see some players being used - if not then they are clearly a player not fit for our current manager.
It’s interesting how some armchair expertise take for granted that a team of top level professional physics coaches, coaches, managers, people who have years of experience in elite fotball - are complete idiots when it comes to physical needs of footballers.
To think that ‘I think Rashford needs rest, while this team of professionals thinks he should play 20 mins when we play 4 games in 8 days - they must be idiots or cowards or both’. Instead of asking: can someone explain to me why Rashford is played when we’re four goals up with twenty mins to play and if we should shore up anything it must be defense?
I’m not a top level physical coach, but even I can guess it’s something to do with that he actually needs a run through, it’s beneficial to him, it’s probably because the Liverpool game was moved, or we don’t get enough training sessions. Like wise with Bruno and Cavani. And Shaw. It’s bleedin obvious that the squad is rotated with 4 games in days 8 in mind. Ferguson lost his first possible league titlewith United from playing 3 games in 6 days, so giving Diallo a taste of football at 18 is probably not prioritized over getting/keeping the established players game fit.
This is just me supposing, but at least it doesn’t lay down as a premise that a team of top professionals don’t know the first thing about fitness and restitution, or that Solskjær would think putting a forward on is adamant to keeping a four goal lead for twenty minutes.
That's a dismissive way of looking at peoples' concerns. He scored a good goal against AC Milan which turned out to be very important in the context of the tie and he's not played a minute since, I think people are right to question where he's disappeared to and Solskaer's reluctance to play him when he's giving minutes to players who have no future here, like James and Mata.
This run will hopefully force Ole to play him.
He's been injured most of the season.
Ake Injuries this season:
| 20/21 | Hamstring Injury | Dec 27, 2020 | Mar 14, 2021 | 77 days | 21 |
| 20/21 | Hamstring Injury | Nov 11, 2020 | Nov 30, 2020 | 19 days | 3 |
| 20/21 | Groin Strain | Oct 21, 2020 | Oct 30, 2020 | 9 days | 3 |
| 20/21 | Groin Injury | Jul 13, 2020 | Jul 25, 2020 | 12 days | 2 |
He's been out basically all season so not really a great example.
Let's judge his game time next season.
He'll get a pre season with us, should be speaking English much better, will have gotten used to living here and won't be fasting either.
We are at the business end of the season with everything to play for, we should be playing our first 11 as much as possible. VdB is showing how difficult it can be to adapt to a new team, Fred took a season too.
I'm sure they are trying to bulk him up a bit too.
Some minutes against Fulham would be nice though.
He'll get a pre season with us, should be speaking English much better, will have gotten used to living here and won't be fasting either.
We are at the business end of the season with everything to play for, we should be playing our first 11 as much as possible. VdB is showing how difficult it can be to adapt to a new team, Fred took a season too.
I'm sure they are trying to bulk him up a bit too.
Some minutes against Fulham would be nice though.
I think part of the problem is our right wing has been poor for so long and many dont see Greenwood there long term that we are desperate to see mroe of him along with the hype...when most had never heard of him. Hope not the same way, but there was similar with Dalot at right back when he signed.
We do of course have a tradition of bring through young players but we really have to remember the ages of some of these players breaking through and compare this to some of the really good players in the England side for example. Look at Kane, he was on loan at Millwall I am pretty sure he was older than any of these youngsters like Amad. Phil Foden for all his talent has only really been playing regularly this season, was bought trhough slowly. Mason Mount again was at loan at Derby.
I hope the likes of Amad get more minutes in this weeks schedule and a few others. But lets not expect too much too soon. We have had one of the best players of all time at this club in Ronaldo and as exciting as he was the whole time here, it took him a good three years of playing regularly to develop his game and he came at a similar age
We do of course have a tradition of bring through young players but we really have to remember the ages of some of these players breaking through and compare this to some of the really good players in the England side for example. Look at Kane, he was on loan at Millwall I am pretty sure he was older than any of these youngsters like Amad. Phil Foden for all his talent has only really been playing regularly this season, was bought trhough slowly. Mason Mount again was at loan at Derby.
I hope the likes of Amad get more minutes in this weeks schedule and a few others. But lets not expect too much too soon. We have had one of the best players of all time at this club in Ronaldo and as exciting as he was the whole time here, it took him a good three years of playing regularly to develop his game and he came at a similar age
So is it a case of "needs to bulk up" like we've seen multiple times before?
I think we will probably end up sending him out next season after Xmas. I was called stupid for suggesting it a few weeks ago but he’d be better off doing what Pellistri did and get a season of higher quality football in a less physical league than a season maybe getting a few sub minutes here and there. It’s not a major thing if he stays or goes out at such a young age but you don’t want him to even slightly stagnate if we can help it.Does it get any more optimal than an aggregate advantage of being five goals up at half-time? I mean, ffs. If you're worried that a talented, but slight kid being brought on will result in a total and utter collapse of that magnitude from the team then you might as well send him on loan.
He can't speak the language.
What do I know but I have always thought Pep was holding back Foden and that he should be getting more game time. But there are so many factors we have no idea off....Applies the same for Ole and Pep. They must have their reasons.
That's because the rest are learning to speak Diallo. You can''t insult this living God by praying to him in a heathen tongue.
Just play the damn kid. I don't understand why clubs that have extremely talented youngsters struggle to get them game time.
The funny thing is that player workloads are almost a solved problem now. They have data from activity trackers, accelerometers, lactate tests, data on # of high intensity sprints etc. etc. and all that goes into a model that says if a player is at risk of burning out. There's enough instrumentation on each player to rival a ferrari /s.
https://www.athletemonitoring.com/w...ploads/2017/06/Workload-Management-Basics.pdf
Sure the manager can override that and have a player play in key games even at risk of injury (as we've done with Rashford last season) but most people just make it seem like Ole doesn't know what he's doing with rotation.
I agree. Solskjaer is the anti Ferguson in this respect but it seems the public generally believe otherwise. Our fringe and bench players are not contributing much because Solskjaer doesn't trust them. Lingard's re-emergence at West Ham just drives this point home for me (as an example).
Hoping with James out and the glut of fixtures that Amad can get some minutes, maybe even a start, most likely versus Leicester.
Some of you people. Its easy to criticise. And i'm pro youth. But if he played and was ineffective, how many would change their tune? We can ask Ole, but lets not call him a coward pretending that we see players day after day in training. Or understand the pressures and temptations. For Amad like others, the most important things the foundation. I would like to have seem him also but it's wrong to be critical of Ole. Though he's there to be shot at, experienced pros have had a hard time never mind young player. His time will come. There was such hype, it was almost like we'd signed Sancho. Whom Ole wanted and who might have had us closer to City if not top of the table at this point. Regardless of how we set up. And Sanchos only just 21. So its not that Ole is scared of playing youth players. It takes guts actually to want a lad who might end up costing 100m....what if we signed Sancho and he struggled....people think that wouldn't have put Oles judgement under the spotlight or that level of expense wouldn't bring it's own pressure?
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Hasn't made the bench today apparently.
His cameos has earned him more minutes than he has been given tbh.
It's a shame to not go into next season knowing if he can contribute or not.
Still wouldn't loan him though. So far at under 23 level he is every bit as good as Mason was.
It's why I think he will be ahead of James in the pecking order the second he is given a proper chance.
His cameos has earned him more minutes than he has been given tbh.
It's a shame to not go into next season knowing if he can contribute or not.
Still wouldn't loan him though. So far at under 23 level he is every bit as good as Mason was.
It's why I think he will be ahead of James in the pecking order the second he is given a proper chance.
The problem is Mason has become no.1 at RW where he plays, whereas when Mason was coming through James was ineffective. It'll be hard to displace Greenwood and James is no.2 for his work rate, and then there's Rashford who will be put there to accommodate Pogba on the left.
Hopefully a proper pre-season will make the difference, I think Fred gives everyone hope that if you're first season isn't great you've still got a chance
Oh for sure I agree. I don't think anyone really is thinking Amad should be starting week in week out or anything.
Just would have hoped maybe 1 start and a couple more sub appearances by now.
There was a few opportunities to do so for sure.
It's clear Seniority is important to Ole though. Hence why we sub on Mata etc just to give him minutes.
It's understandable but it would have been more beneficial to the squad going forward for Amad to have seen some of those minutes.
We dream of other teams young players, why not make our own?
Once the 2nd is sealed, let play them. Give them games.
Once the 2nd is sealed, let play them. Give them games.
If he barely features, how can you say he's not the next messi?
Four defenders on the bench today, Cavani and Mata the only forwards. He either offers little of the required standard in training, or evil Ole hates the yoofs.
If he barely features, how can you say he's not the next messi?
He looks way too talented from what we have seen to offer zero in training.
Also by all reports a hard working player.
I wouldn't loan him except maybe to Dortmund if they where interested.
No wingers on the bench in a period where players need resting. Good'en.
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