agreed on all of this. It seems like a win/win/win and an obvious transfer. £75-85m I think.
Is Jadon Sancho really worth the 100 plus million fee?
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With what Sancho has gone through or not, he will be understanding of Dortmund's position now and has got through any possible disappointment clearly. He knows if no-one comes in with what Dortmund want which is less than last time he'll be staying again. 70m Euro would be £60m, I don't see Dortmund taking that and almost everyone has been hit with covid, United more than most according to figures I've seen. We also have Rashford appearing on the right and if Pogba stays that will probably happen more. It's not a massive deal if Sancho stays another year if no-one stumps the cash and Sancho can't demand to be sold for cheap and respects the club. Covid brings about a lot of problems for everyone, clubs and players and we could well see an impasse. I think you put too much on Dortmund's financials, the PR and unhappy player aspect. United's players in and out will be the biggest driving factor and the possibility or not much movement for our own.
Dortmund last season were able to negotiate from a position of strength as they were in the CL and Sancho was still under a relatively long term contract.
If papers are to be believed coming out of Germany, Sancho and Dortmund have an agreement to allow him to leave this summer if a proper bid is made for him.
Dortmund lost a year on his contract plus they may not qualify for the CL next season. You add both of those factors PLUS the lost of match day revenue for the last 18 months and they will need to cash in on one of their assets.
I think this summer it will be Sancho and not Haaland unless somehow one of the spanish sides find a pot of gold or Cities strike it rich on another oil factory.
If papers are to be believed coming out of Germany, Sancho and Dortmund have an agreement to allow him to leave this summer if a proper bid is made for him.
Dortmund lost a year on his contract plus they may not qualify for the CL next season. You add both of those factors PLUS the lost of match day revenue for the last 18 months and they will need to cash in on one of their assets.
I think this summer it will be Sancho and not Haaland unless somehow one of the spanish sides find a pot of gold or Cities strike it rich on another oil factory.
The reason we "seem" to have taken a big hit is simply because we make a lot more money than most clubs we're still extremely profitable. The losses which BVB have on the other hand are more alarming for a club that isn't as profitable as the very big dogs.
I said €70/75m Euros not specifically €70m we could offer more the fee is not set in stone but one thing for sure is we'll try and add achievable add ons to drive the price down which BVB are a lot more likely to be open to this time round it's a very common part of deals.
Rashford playing on the right gives us a bigger reason to go for Sancho he's non existent there and if Pogba stays and we sign a DM in the event of Jose inevitably taking Matic off our hands it's more likely we sign a DM and put Pogba back in midfield than stick him on the wing with Rashford going back to his favored LW
Yes sales will be very important I agree but there are positions where the budget has likely been set. Us tying down Bailly to a new deal may mean a CB is less of a priority making funds available for other positions like RW same logic applies with Cavani inevitably signing a new deal meaning less focus on a No9 more on a RW
Feel confident in sàying that Cavani would bang in at least 20 in the league next season if we had Sancho on that barren right flank
Rashford put in another good cross from the right today. Pogba and Shaw have been good providing balls to Cavani. There's also Martial MIA. I prefer Rashford on the left but he's doing better out there. I would think Dortmund would want around £74-5m+ minimum so around 85m euro or simply no deal and the players stays. We might weigh it all up and not fancy putting down that sort of money unless a prominent players leaves. Of course we'd all love Sancho here who can play in a variety of positions but we also need quality in the middle and defence. We also need stadium improvements, a Sancho buy might placate some fans but I think many have seen enough of the stadium getting left behind, there's a lot to factor in now.
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Pogba should play on the left (If he stays) and we should focus on other positions like our midfield. As it stands with Pogba leaving the double pivot and playing on the left our midfielders are: Bruno VdB Fred Mctominay. This is a very underwhelming midfield for a team that wants to compete for the title. Our CB options of Maguire Lindelof Bailly and Tuanzebe needs improving. We so have no reliable back up for Awb. Now look at our attack of: Pogba Martial Rashford Cavani Greenwood James Diallo. Its very good.
What we want to get out of playing Rashford - Cavani - Sancho we'd get by playing Pogba - Cavani - Greenwood. I've wanted Sancho since 2018 but I believe if we sort out our midfield and defence we'd have a better chance at challenging for the title than getting Sancho and sorting out either of the defence or midfield. If we can do all then beautiful.
I would still love it if we could get Sancho though and would not complain. The best case scenario is that we can get Sancho and somehow make a 4-3-3 with a DM - Pogba - Bruno midfield work. I think that's what most people are counting on
What we want to get out of playing Rashford - Cavani - Sancho we'd get by playing Pogba - Cavani - Greenwood. I've wanted Sancho since 2018 but I believe if we sort out our midfield and defence we'd have a better chance at challenging for the title than getting Sancho and sorting out either of the defence or midfield. If we can do all then beautiful.
I would still love it if we could get Sancho though and would not complain. The best case scenario is that we can get Sancho and somehow make a 4-3-3 with a DM - Pogba - Bruno midfield work. I think that's what most people are counting on
I feel Sancho would be our savior, he lacks the speed and quality to play the PL week after week.
I'm with you almost to the end of the line on this post.
I think he'll fit in well with our young English contingent in the squad.
I know he's putting up the numbers in Bundesliga but I still have my doubts on if we will see the same Sancho in the Prem.
I know he's putting up the numbers in Bundesliga but I still have my doubts on if we will see the same Sancho in the Prem.
It's very good if they can play week in week out without injuries and have the same match fitness recovery as Bruno. It's not very good when we drop one of them.
I mean Liverpool had Fabinho, Wijnaldum & Henderson, people used to criticised Liverpool midfielders for being just work horse and underwhelming compared to Man City and Real Madrid and yet they won the title. Only Fabinho that looks good on paper. I think people just need to understand how the manager wants us to play. And I think the key how the manager wants us to play is very dependable on the front four that we need to maintain the 2 players who are capable to play the right pass and 2 players who are goal scorers for balance. James is neither, while Martial, Rashford, Cavani & Greenwood are goalscorers. Unless if Diallo can be the guy next season but so far I have yet seen it.
Today is a good example of how many times Rashford made the wrong decision for an option to pass the ball to. So if Pogba is injured and replaced by Rashford, I think we kill the balance.
As for midfield, there are cheap options out there to buy. Can get Kessie who only has 1 year left in his contract for example.
If Ole considers Pogba a long term LW option and Rashford / Greenwood on the right, I wonder if that may kill our interest in Sancho especially if Dortmund hold out for 80m+.
That ball from Rashford to Cavani is kind of the forte of Sancho - great passing. We all know Rashford has a fantastic passing range. Sancho has better close control and dribbling, but him, Rashford and Pogba are not too dissimilar in their style of play. Be interesting to see what we decide to do in the summer.
That ball from Rashford to Cavani is kind of the forte of Sancho - great passing. We all know Rashford has a fantastic passing range. Sancho has better close control and dribbling, but him, Rashford and Pogba are not too dissimilar in their style of play. Be interesting to see what we decide to do in the summer.
Yeah I don't in all honesty see us being back in for him now;
Firstly I expect Greenwood to play week in week out next season, it'll be his 3rd year in the PL and so he no longer falls into it being his breakthrough season where his minutes need to be managed and hopefully no repeat of the off the field circumstances that he started this season with. Then you the likes of Rashford (when he's not playing on the left or through the middle), James and Amad (who will get more minutes next season) meaning much as I'd love to still see us sign an actual RW and more specifically Sancho I don't see it happening now
Had it not been for the ESL I would have expected another tight window from us but I think the Glazers will want to try to appease the fans now but that money will be spent either in defence or midfield
80MM EUROS should do it. Offer 200MM for both him and Haaland
Yeah I see what you mean. Most of us fans would prefer City's midfield instead of Liverpool's 19/20 midfield. But even though City's is the better one technically, Liverpool's is just as effective and helped them win the title. It does look like Ole has found his go-to formula: Two work horses/defensive players at the double pivot(Fred and Mctominay) 2 creative players (Bruno and Pogba) and 2 goal scorers (Cavani and Rashford) at the front 4
This could be how Ole likes the team. So this summer would be about upgrading/adding depth to it. A workhorse like Kessie from your post and a creative right winger like Sancho would do that. Two work horses/defensive players (Matic Kessie), two creative players (VDB Sancho) and two goalscorers (Greenwood Martial) at the front 4. Would mean we are covered in all areas if that's the set up Ole wants
I don't think it is the ultimate best scenario. It is the best scenario available. Our attack is good but in the beginning of the season we had the trouble of being too much reliant on the left flank. AWB has become better on the attack but we need a proper winger on the right.
Sancho is a special talent. If it was for me, I would go for a central defender and Sancho provided that we keep Cavani. And go for a striker next summer. I hope Sancho joins us.
Yeah i don't see us paying £70m+ for a player who arguably wouldn't start in our best XI.
It made sense to me if Cavani was leaving giving Greenwood more time at number 9. Pogba emerging as a LW option makes it even less likely. If Pogba leaves then maybe.
Personally I think Ole is secretly brutal.
It will be hard to get Martial out but I reckon his time is up under Ole's eyes. I say that because Martial takes a LW position and a ST position; arguably Pogba's and Greenwoods.
Trying to get Martial out for Sancho should be the plan (because we have space for a striker in the sqaud); but it may be the other way around where we have to get Sancho first for Martial to consider a move.
We still need him.
Maybe although I think people are still writing off Martial too easily. Even so if Martial was to leave then buying a striker would make more sense than a winger.
Martial isn't written off enough if anything. There's still a wild optimism for a player who has flattered to deceive for years. I wish he'd come good and be the player his potential points to, but he won't, not here, probably not at any top top club.
I'm not sure you get a player like this for that sort of price in most windows, so reckon we'll do it.
A future front line of Greenwood, Rashford, and Sancho, however Ole makes that work, is potentially so good.
A future front line of Greenwood, Rashford, and Sancho, however Ole makes that work, is potentially so good.
In these times, we don’t have the money to waste. A proper centreback to help Maguire and a leader in defensive midfield (instead of playing 2 DMs in Fred and McTom that don’t work well at all) is priority. You’d have to pass on Sancho for now.
2 first team signings this summer, in this climate, would be a dream
2 first team signings this summer, in this climate, would be a dream
We need to be thinking long-term. And long term signing Sancho is a no brainer
Disagree but fair enough. If he was playing for Dortmund there would no doubt be a clamour to sign him on here.
Been giving Sancho some thought and where he may go...
City - no because I don't think Pep would take him back and in the years since Sancho left there's never been any indication a return would happen
Chelsea - no because firstly Tuchel doesn't really play with out and out wide players anyway (width comes from the wing backs) but secondly even if he did they're already stacked with Werner, Pulisic, Ziyech and CHO
Liverpool - maybe, only on the basis that I feel they need to freshen up their team. That could be Salah sold (as he's the one who's generally linked with moves away) and Sancho as a straight replacement or they freshen up their attack by playing Salah through the middle and Sancho on the wing
Man Utd - maybe, only on the basis that we've wanted him previously, do still arguably have an opening on the RW and the Glazers may want to make a marquee signed off the back of the protests. That being said with Pogba now part of the front 3 and Amad surely to feature more next season I don't see how we fit in Pogba, Rashford, Greenwood, Cavani, Martial, James, Amad and Sancho but again the Glazers may want to bring him in regardless to try and deflect the heat
I don't think it's impossible that he stays at Dortmund for another year tbh
City - no because I don't think Pep would take him back and in the years since Sancho left there's never been any indication a return would happen
Chelsea - no because firstly Tuchel doesn't really play with out and out wide players anyway (width comes from the wing backs) but secondly even if he did they're already stacked with Werner, Pulisic, Ziyech and CHO
Liverpool - maybe, only on the basis that I feel they need to freshen up their team. That could be Salah sold (as he's the one who's generally linked with moves away) and Sancho as a straight replacement or they freshen up their attack by playing Salah through the middle and Sancho on the wing
Man Utd - maybe, only on the basis that we've wanted him previously, do still arguably have an opening on the RW and the Glazers may want to make a marquee signed off the back of the protests. That being said with Pogba now part of the front 3 and Amad surely to feature more next season I don't see how we fit in Pogba, Rashford, Greenwood, Cavani, Martial, James, Amad and Sancho but again the Glazers may want to bring him in regardless to try and deflect the heat
I don't think it's impossible that he stays at Dortmund for another year tbh
That's generally been the feeling. Us or Liverpool if they flip Salah/Mane. Can't see him going anywhere else.
We've played Rashford semi injured 50% of the season and some people still dont think we need Sancho ?
What will happen when Bruno gets injured ? 50% of our creativity gone, 100% if Pogba for some reason isnt available.
Its a brutal brutal schedule to compete in FA, League, CL and PL.
And Sancho has the added benefit of playing both LW and RW. He is good in transition, good in small spaces.
It simply solves so many problems for us, and adds so much to the squad options.
What will happen when Bruno gets injured ? 50% of our creativity gone, 100% if Pogba for some reason isnt available.
Its a brutal brutal schedule to compete in FA, League, CL and PL.
And Sancho has the added benefit of playing both LW and RW. He is good in transition, good in small spaces.
It simply solves so many problems for us, and adds so much to the squad options.
You don't buy players on the basis of you might get injuries though. Managers probably look at wanting 2 players for every position
LW: Pogba, Rashford, Martial, James
CF: Cavani, Martial, Greenwood, Rashford
RW: Greenwood, Rashford, James, Amad
We're stacked in the attacking positions
That's not to say Sancho wouldn't be a more natural fit out on the right than any of those or that we won't sign him just because but that's a different argument to worrying about what if we get injuries
EDIT: If we were to get a CB and DM in the summer there's actually a pretty huge list of different attacking combinations before you even get to having to play James and Amad (if there is the event of injuries)
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Yeah from that perspective a move next season would make a lot of sense. This summer there might not be many high profile transfers in general, so possibly no knock-on effects either.
Next summer City might think about rejuvenating their squad a bit too, with Mahrez in his 30s. Foden might play more in midfield than he has etc. Plus Sancho would be cheaper then, which fits more into that price range they've been operating in. Not that it matters, but they wouldn't even have to make him their record signing. Like you said there's no indication of this happening, but a lot can happen in a year. Who knows how long Guardiola intends to stay though, especially if he wins the CL this year.
Chelsea, Liverpool and United will all have a better idea of what their squad needs by then, and likely have more money available too. I could see Chelsea replacing Ziyech for instance, and who knows what formation they'll play next season. United should probably give Amad a chance to see how he does having spent a fair amount on him, and see how Greenwood develops. Even Real Madrid or Barcelona might be an option, if they manage to offload Bale, Hazard, Coutinho or someone else.
Then again, if Sancho shines at the Euros some clubs might just get FOMO and try to make it happen this year. Or one big transfer leads to another, and so on
I've been thinking about Sancho at the Euro's and with the now 26 man squad he probably does go but I think Rashford, Sterling, Foden and Grealish will all be ahead of him so I doubt he sees much game time. Southgate might still take Greenwood as well (though I hope not)
You are correct that injuries shouldnt be be the prime motivation for buying a 75 mill. + player . We did buy Telles as a injury buffer last season.
But its not just injuries, its also fatigue and rotation. Overplaying certain players as Solskjær have done this season will always lead to a drop in quality.
Rashford again is the case and point here. His versatility have done so he has to play too many games. Sancho has the same versatility.Rashford is not the same on RW, even if he put out decent numbers.
Again, I agree that injuries shouldnt be the only point of buying Sancho, but he is a very good fit regarding this which do get some added benefit of buying him.
Yeah he's probably not Southgate's first choice at the moment, but I'd be surprised if he doesn't pick him and once he's in the squad he'll get his chance to impress.
Not signing Sancho makes sense though. Its an easy story to print but its easy because its true, especially when we have found Pogbas best position for us which is yet again out wide.
Getting in a defender and a top striker makes more sense than Sancho imo
I agree. Want us to have plenty quality attacking options like when we had Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov, Nani.
Isn't Rashford about to have shoulder surgery after Euros? That should keep him out for few months probably.
If we get Sancho, we'd have quality and depth in attacking positions. Rashford and Pogba for LW, Cavani and Martial for ST and Sancho and Greenwood for RW, while Greenwood can play as striker as well. Rashford is ineffective at right wing so he's not really an option there. Not sure if Amad will get his chance yet?
We've scored 67 goals so far this season, it's going to be over 70 most probably when the season ends, it'll be our highest goalscoring season since Fergie days. But if we get Sancho that's probably another 20 goals. Biggest disadvantage of buying Sancho would indeed be stoping the progress of Greenwood and Amad and that is a worry but don't want to see Sancho going to rivals and us regretting it for years like with Hazard.
I'd very much like a midfielder too. We already needed to strengthen that area but with Pogba moving out wide we suddenly look a little short in midfield. Fred and McTominay are decent but a really good CM would elevate us, like Liverpool after signing Fabinho.
Yeah I see that as well, could be very hard to discern what really is the best way in the summer.
But you could think that the german rumours on this could be more reliable, since much of the English sources easily could be briefed by United for barganing purposes.
Or after signing Tiago.
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