That news is being read all over the world and is going to spook people.
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Which is a pity. Because the logic behind the decision is sound. Just difficult to get across in a news headline (or even in the article itself)
I don't think the rollout will slow. They're doing it because there's a lot of vaccine alternatives available so why risk it.
They're still talking about all adults being offered a first vaccine by the end of July. They think they can do that based on anticipated Pfizer/Moderna deliveries.
They haven't included any new vaccines in that plan, whereas by July we might be seeing one of the new vaccines adding to the supply. Approval and deliveries permitting of course.
They haven't included any new vaccines in that plan, whereas by July we might be seeing one of the new vaccines adding to the supply. Approval and deliveries permitting of course.
Hopefully more than one!
Isn't Novavax due at any moment?
It's the definition of any moment that's problematic
It's thought that the first batches of active components (spiky bits from Fuji Teeside, adjuvant from Sweden) have gone to GSK (Teeside) for finish and fill. If that's the case and GSK have no problems with the final mix and the vial filling process then the MHRA may have a batch of the finished article round about now. If it meets the production standard set during the trials, it'll get approved this month and ship next month.
In reality though, neither the UK or the US have got finished, approved Novavax product from full-scale manufacturing. If you look at the Pfizer, AZ approvals they came through about a week before their rollout started. So until it's approved and in the NHS distribution warehouse with all the right QA/QC stamps, it's all guesswork really - hence why it's not built into the July target.
Curevac is close as well, but originally the UK talked about that as part of the autumn booster/variant plan, not the summer rollout. That may have changed of course, with AZ's role reduced, they may have been able to get a different schedule agreed. J&J may or may not be a significant part of the rollout partly depending on what those US adverse events reports say.
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Maybe but yes, but only if...
At this stage i just want my first shot asap.
Same. And I've just now read that my age group (35-39) is now more likely the week after next.
I had my first jab (AZ) yesterday at 2 pm. The jab itself was almost painless, which really surprised me.
I started to feel quite unwell yesterday evening with a cracking headache and general lethargy. By 10PM I was shivering like a son of a bitch and aching all over.
I felt dreadful this morning but a couple of paracetamol took the edge off of it massively. I feel a lot better now.
24 hours of mild flu symptoms is worth it for the protection it gives you.
I started to feel quite unwell yesterday evening with a cracking headache and general lethargy. By 10PM I was shivering like a son of a bitch and aching all over.
I felt dreadful this morning but a couple of paracetamol took the edge off of it massively. I feel a lot better now.
24 hours of mild flu symptoms is worth it for the protection it gives you.
Sinopharm has been approved by WHO.
A couple of notes for the UK under 40s - and an indicator that everyone may get a vaccine offer before the end of June.
First an explanation on Wales
They've decided to break their age priority rules and start using their Pfizer stockpile. This allows them to continue using AZ for second doses and the 40+. It's meant that they've started to push ahead of the rest of the UK in first dose terms and they feel it will give them a big advantage/safety net as hospitality reopens etc.
Scotland has stuck to age priority and is using Pfizer/AZ on the next in the line.
England are apparently using almost entirely AZ at the moment and stockpiling (first dose) Pfizer ready for the under 40s.
Interesting tactics from the different administrations, I suspect Wales have got this right. Though it's fair to say that England (bigger population) may have been more cautious to avoid a situation where they can't do Pfizer second doses in time if something goes wrong.
First an explanation on Wales
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They've decided to break their age priority rules and start using their Pfizer stockpile. This allows them to continue using AZ for second doses and the 40+. It's meant that they've started to push ahead of the rest of the UK in first dose terms and they feel it will give them a big advantage/safety net as hospitality reopens etc.
Scotland has stuck to age priority and is using Pfizer/AZ on the next in the line.
England are apparently using almost entirely AZ at the moment and stockpiling (first dose) Pfizer ready for the under 40s.
Interesting tactics from the different administrations, I suspect Wales have got this right. Though it's fair to say that England (bigger population) may have been more cautious to avoid a situation where they can't do Pfizer second doses in time if something goes wrong.
This account on Twitter has some fascinating reading, including various leaked slides and similar minutae for the stats geeks.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulMainwood
Summarising the general picture though:
All adults are likely to be offered the vaccine by end June even if there are no new vaccine types available. Assuming of course supplies don't fail in the meantime.
Also it looks like AZ UK are now producing around 10m doses/month. Which means we'll go into AZ surplus by the end of May. Hopefully that'll be the moment when we start actually giving them to other countries.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulMainwood
Summarising the general picture though:
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All adults are likely to be offered the vaccine by end June even if there are no new vaccine types available. Assuming of course supplies don't fail in the meantime.
Also it looks like AZ UK are now producing around 10m doses/month. Which means we'll go into AZ surplus by the end of May. Hopefully that'll be the moment when we start actually giving them to other countries.
So 5 days in after my second jab (Pfizer) and honestly no real side effects. I was a bit worried on the day felt a bit tired and that weird overly healthy feeling you get just before you come down with a nasty flu/cold but honestly nothing else. It also seemed to improve my sciatica.
I had my first AZ vaccine on Wednesday.
For those wondering about side effects, mine were:
As somebody under 40, I was surprised to get the text message inviting me to come for a vaccine. But I figured I figured it was because of vaccine hesitancy in the area where my doctors are located (it has quite a high proportion of first generation immigrants).
Given the news about alternatives being offered to people my age, I'm expecting/hoping to get offered a different manufacturer for the second dose.
For those wondering about side effects, mine were:
- A sore arm from hour 0 through to hour 12
- Headaches, chills and sore muscles from hour 12 to hour 24 (enough to make me forget about the sore arm)
- A sore arm again from hour 24 to hour 36
As somebody under 40, I was surprised to get the text message inviting me to come for a vaccine. But I figured I figured it was because of vaccine hesitancy in the area where my doctors are located (it has quite a high proportion of first generation immigrants).
Given the news about alternatives being offered to people my age, I'm expecting/hoping to get offered a different manufacturer for the second dose.
Is there a particular amount of time you're supposed to wait after testing negative before the shot or is that all BS?
I can't imagine having a test has any impact on the vaccine.
Anyone has already had Pfizer?
I've got mine planned on Thursday and wonder if there will be any side effects the following day.
I've got mine planned on Thursday and wonder if there will be any side effects the following day.
Like all the vaccines the answer is maybe, you might feel anywhere from totally fine to atrocious
There is so much poor, misleading and plain dishonest information out there about the AZ/Oxford vaccine associated clotting issues. These are the % risks of a serious clotting event,
Catching covid (deep vein thrombosis): 11.2%
Catching covid (pulmonary embolism): 7.8%
(and you can get both)
The Contraceptive Pill: 0.6%
The AZ vaccine: 0.00017%
The risks aren't comparable and even drinking a glass of water has a risk. The best vaccine is the one in your arm. I'm getting my first AZ shot next Tuesday. About bloody time.
Catching covid (deep vein thrombosis): 11.2%
Catching covid (pulmonary embolism): 7.8%
(and you can get both)
The Contraceptive Pill: 0.6%
The AZ vaccine: 0.00017%
The risks aren't comparable and even drinking a glass of water has a risk. The best vaccine is the one in your arm. I'm getting my first AZ shot next Tuesday. About bloody time.
My son in the US has. Fatigued for 24 hrs after first and nothing noticeable from the second (hangover possibly masked the symptoms). Typically you get fatigue, headache and/or mild flu symptoms in (working from memory so may be a bit out) about 40% of cases with the first shot and 60% with the second shot.
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Naa I meant I contracted Covid in April. Tested negative around 20th April.
Should I wait a few days before getting vaccinated? A friend told me to wait 2-3 months before getting a shot.
His logic was that around the 3 month mark your natural antibodies start waning and getting a shot before that makes the vaccine a bit less effective.
The clots aren’t comparable either. You’re comparing apples and oranges. The clotting concern with AZ isn’t a DVT/PE it’s a different, much rarer condition. With a much higher chance of a bad outcome.
I would question all your stats there anyway. No way does over one in ten people with covid get a DVT.
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The standard advice is to wait 28 days from a covid positive test, which protects the vaccination team really and lets the vaccine operate as a booster.
There's no reason to think that there's an advantage to waiting three months. Some studies have suggested that having covid before means that you may only need one dose to get maximum protection, but I don't think any health authorities have actually turned that into a policy.
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It’s a policy in Ireland. If you’ve had confirmed Covid infection in the last six months (and you’re < 50) then you only get one dose of vaccine.
According to a mass study in the UK (600,000 adults taking AZ or Pfizer) there's a good chance you'll get a sore arm, and a lower chance that you'll feel a bit flu-ey (headache, fatigue etc) the next day. The unlucky ones feel more fluey and it goes on for longer.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56901356
Ah that's interesting. To avoid wasting resources or for some other reason? I know in the UK they didn't do that - but then we have that three month delay between first and second doses.
Decision was made on the back of the publication you alluded to. With such good evidence that only one dose is needed it doesn’t make sense to get them back in for a second jab. The only unknown is if/when they need a booster 6 to 12 months down the road but that’s an unknown for everyone.
That's reasonable. It's one of the many great things about the public health services. You can monitor a subset of people for antibodies (and the whole group for protection against variants etc) and build evidence, then act.
Thanks a lot!
Including that post.
Assuming a transmission risk of 2 cases in 10,000 (the UK is currently at around 0.3), the probability of catching Covid and ending up in ICU vs the risk from the vaccine:
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The risk balance will be quite a bit different for countries with virtually zero transmission like Australia/NZ.
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That slide has been updated, based on new data from MHRA (and other regulators) and the reduced current case rates in the UK. As you say, the risk level is lower again for the average Australian (not working in healthcare or linked to quarantine centres)
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Thanks. The UK's case incidence is now approximately half again from that updated slide. The relationships between cases and ICU admissions look to be fairly linear so you could assume with half the case count those figures on the left will also be halved.That
That slide has been updated, based on new data from MHRA (and other regulators) and the reduced current case rates in the UK. As you say, the risk level is lower again for the average Australian (not working in healthcare or linked to quarantine centres)
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For first dose, I got slight-medium muscular pain in the shoulder for a day.
Had it last week. Upper arm was stiff the evening of the jab, and a lot achier the following day.
Felt a bit lethargic, slight headache, stiff neck for upto 48-60 hours post vaccine, but absolutely fine since.
I reckon my reaction was fairly standard based on speaking with others.
Motoring through the jabs here by the sounds of it (don't know if it's related to AZ supplies being redirected to the age groups), I've got my second jab booked for this Wednesday morning.
They seem to be speeding up a little here in central Italy, too. They opened my age group on Saturday, this week people in their 50s will be able to book.
On Saturday, 29,000 people aged 60-64 booked in the first 7 hours in our region. I got an appointment for Friday, I'll give it a go. If they say "no", then at least I tried @Wibble. At the big centres, they decide what vaccine you get after they've looked at your medical history.
On Saturday, 29,000 people aged 60-64 booked in the first 7 hours in our region. I got an appointment for Friday, I'll give it a go. If they say "no", then at least I tried @Wibble. At the big centres, they decide what vaccine you get after they've looked at your medical history.
Same side effect, I had my first Pfizer jab on Saturday.