The fact that Casillas won GK for 2008 and 2009 ahead of van der Sar is a joke.
Most overrated 'world class' player?
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John Terry was the best center back for 5 years straight? There taking the piss.
To be fair, Casillas put in some ridiculous performances around that time. That late 2000s Madrid side was an absolute clown show defensively, only saved by occasional brilliance from Cannavaro and much more often by the kind of heroics from Casillas that I've only otherwise seen from De Gea in the post-Ferguson years.
Easy.
Zlatan.
He markets himself really well. People lap it up..
Zlatan.
He markets himself really well. People lap it up..
Cant stand the racist cnut.
He was one of the best Centre-backs around at the time though
Many people try to make this team sport an individual competition.
And from a rational point of view, we see how unfair all these opinions and awards are.
And from a rational point of view, we see how unfair all these opinions and awards are.
Griezman if he’s classed as world class ever
Terry was not overrated.
Pique & Sterling are two players that have gotten much more credit than they deserve.
Pique & Sterling are two players that have gotten much more credit than they deserve.
He was over rated but still he was world class; so its hard to decide where he stands.
Went from my favourite player in his first stint at AC milan to a player I couldnt stand after the way PL people overrated him following his wonder goal against England & his performances for United.
Going off that list, Pique.
Out of that list Pique and Casillas were never THAT good. Slight La Liga bias in there.
Wasn't Cannavaro a shit show himself? Looked way past it at Madrid
Hazard. Even before his major Madrid slump, great player yes but absolutely not world class.
He was probably the best or at least top 3 player in the premier league before he left. He was world class. Scored a screamer last night too
Boooooh!
I have a few memories of him running around that Madrid backline looking like a lone plumber trying to shore up a leaking dam, but it's likely that was the exception rather than the rule and he was just as culpable of most of the back 4 they had.
well the Spanish players during that time won a World Cup and euro, so it makes sense. 2013 Bayern was amazing though
I’d argue Ramos is best overall CB of the last ten years
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He was absolutely world class from 2011-2018. He’s fallen off recently with age, but during his prime the guy was definitely a beast.
Plus no one can make an argument for him being overrated that doesn't indict Ramos as well.
How about "scores a boatload and doesn't have the turning circle of a barge"?
Marcelo is one of the best left backs of the century. No idea what you’re watching if you don’t rate him. Unbelievable player in his prime.I was browsing the FIFPro team of the year appearances by player:
I was shocked to see Marcelo has had 6 appearances. Six. It was only established in 2005. Marcelo has been judged as one of the best 11 players in the world six times.
I just found that astonishing, good player but never had him rated that highly.
Who else is a world class or top tier player that you find overrated? Either currently or in the annals of history.
They all deserve to be there.
Ramos having the second most nominations and nearly as many as Ronaldo and Messi either shows people going for an easy choice or how few great centre backs there have been this generation. Still deserves a number of nominations mind.
Ramos having the second most nominations and nearly as many as Ronaldo and Messi either shows people going for an easy choice or how few great centre backs there have been this generation. Still deserves a number of nominations mind.
Has to be Neymar. He's brilliant but such an awful team player. Still plays the game like a 20-21 year old thinking it's all about him.
Iniesta and Dani Alves do not deserve that many nominations in a row I think.
I guess Xavi and Iniesta 2008-2012 deserved to be nominated under Spain dominance, but I feel Iniesta got the last picks on reputation when both Spain and Barca failed to win the big things.
I guess Xavi and Iniesta 2008-2012 deserved to be nominated under Spain dominance, but I feel Iniesta got the last picks on reputation when both Spain and Barca failed to win the big things.
Add his numerous red cards and greater amount of goals conceded then, to balance things out.
That is the Fifpro voting of last year...
My phone does that at times. Yes , Cech.
Potentially, but the bar has lowered a fair bit from 15-20 years ago. I still think Vidic and Ferdinand were better all round defenders, but Ramos is arguably perfect for a team on top in the majority of games. Van Dyke is also one of the most complete defenders in recent years and wouldn’t have looked out of place in the era but he’s proven it for a far shorter period than the others.
Fair enough. I will confess I haven't watched that much of him outside of the Champions League and some La Liga games now and then. As a fan, you'd know more. But he just never seemed that good. Not bad, of course, but I wouldn't personally put him in the world-class territory.
Again, this probably goes back to me not watchng him week in, week out, but when i did tune in he always seemed to have a clanger in him, and was often caught out. Perhaps that's just recency bias, though. Becuase i think even his most ardent fans would admit he's fallen off quite dramatically.
Absolutely.
Ramos is the other one
This is my sort of general opinion of him too. Good defender, great on the ball, but not really a generational type defender. But like you I only really watched him in the big matches and in international tournaments.
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What's most concerning about that list is the omission of Rooney from it. I mean, the record goalscorer for England and United was never once considered good enough to make FIFA's team of the year, but Terry (5) and Gerrard (3) were?
Farcical.
Farcical.
Miles better defender than Ramos.
Kronos is also lucky to be on that list. Casillas above Buffon too...
I always thought Marcelo was incredible. No arguments from me about him.