Most overrated 'world class' player?

The fact that Casillas won GK for 2008 and 2009 ahead of van der Sar is a joke.
 
John Terry was the best center back for 5 years straight? There taking the piss.
 
Alex99 said:
The fact that Casillas won GK for 2008 and 2009 ahead of van der Sar is a joke.
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To be fair, Casillas put in some ridiculous performances around that time. That late 2000s Madrid side was an absolute clown show defensively, only saved by occasional brilliance from Cannavaro and much more often by the kind of heroics from Casillas that I've only otherwise seen from De Gea in the post-Ferguson years.
 
Many people try to make this team sport an individual competition.
And from a rational point of view, we see how unfair all these opinions and awards are.
 
Griezman if he’s classed as world class ever
 
Terry was not overrated.

Pique & Sterling are two players that have gotten much more credit than they deserve.
 
GueRed said:
Easy.

Zlatan.

He markets himself really well. People lap it up..
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He was over rated but still he was world class; so its hard to decide where he stands.

Went from my favourite player in his first stint at AC milan to a player I couldnt stand after the way PL people overrated him following his wonder goal against England & his performances for United.
 
Out of that list Pique and Casillas were never THAT good. Slight La Liga bias in there.
 
V.O. said:
To be fair, Casillas put in some ridiculous performances around that time. That late 2000s Madrid side was an absolute clown show defensively, only saved by occasional brilliance from Cannavaro and much more often by the kind of heroics from Casillas that I've only otherwise seen from De Gea in the post-Ferguson years.
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Wasn't Cannavaro a shit show himself? Looked way past it at Madrid
 
Hazard. Even before his major Madrid slump, great player yes but absolutely not world class.
 
Leonzo1 said:
Hazard. Even before his major Madrid slump, great player yes but absolutely not world class.
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He was probably the best or at least top 3 player in the premier league before he left. He was world class. Scored a screamer last night too ;)
 
GifLord said:
Wasn't Cannavaro a shit show himself? Looked way past it at Madrid
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I have a few memories of him running around that Madrid backline looking like a lone plumber trying to shore up a leaking dam, but it's likely that was the exception rather than the rule and he was just as culpable of most of the back 4 they had.
 
Kasper said:
The FifPro FIFA World XI has had a ridiculous La Liga bias in the 2010s, so it`s probably not the best metric to judge. Don`t get me wrong, La Liga was overall the strongest league in that decade but the World XI often didn`t really reflect the achievements in the respective years. Bayern was back-to-back CL finalist in 2012 and 2013 with no Spanish team making it, yet they got 3 World XI nominations while Barca got 8 and Real 7.
There was a time Alves, Ramos, Pique and Marcelo would basically get in per default. In 2012 the XI was Spanish teams exclusively and in 2016 again except for Neuer. Only in recent years we`ve seen more diverse teams.
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well the Spanish players during that time won a World Cup and euro, so it makes sense. 2013 Bayern was amazing though
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
- Ramos is the first one to stand out on that list. He's won me over through the years but he just isn't a world-class 'defensive' player and as a CB that's the bread and butter. You don't get that many career reds if you are fundamentally world-class at defending and reading the game. He has however proven to be a massive offensive weapon, so I can see how he features positively in lists like this. It would have been very interesting to see him play his whole career in England, I suspect he would be considered a lesser player than this version (still highly regarded mind you).

- Terry was weaker than both Ferdinand and Vidic and really benefitted from playing in an ultra-conservative and machine-like, Mourinho Chelsea team. Ferdinand was almost the model CB and I don't think there have been many defenders that combine his pace, reading of the game and ball-playing abilities. As a different (more comparable) kind of player to Terry, Vidic is simply the biggest warrior I've ever seen play for Utd. Best six-yard defender I've ever seen, it was like he had a magnet on his head that drew every ball onto him. Terry was good but Ferdinands skill set is more unique and harder to pull off and Vidic simply did what Terry did, but better.
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I’d argue Ramos is best overall CB of the last ten years
 
BusbyMalone said:
Pique.

People rate him as world-class, right? Don't get it. He's decent, but surely not world-class. No chance.

I also think the term world-class is used far too often. It wasn't so long ago that Sterling was considered world-class. I mean, come on.
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He was absolutely world class from 2011-2018. He’s fallen off recently with age, but during his prime the guy was definitely a beast.
 
adexkola said:
Plus no one can make an argument for him being overrated that doesn't indict Ramos as well.
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How about "scores a boatload and doesn't have the turning circle of a barge"?
 
altodevil said:
I was browsing the FIFPro team of the year appearances by player:

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I was shocked to see Marcelo has had 6 appearances. Six. It was only established in 2005. Marcelo has been judged as one of the best 11 players in the world six times.

I just found that astonishing, good player but never had him rated that highly.

Who else is a world class or top tier player that you find overrated? Either currently or in the annals of history.
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Marcelo is one of the best left backs of the century. No idea what you’re watching if you don’t rate him. Unbelievable player in his prime.
 
tjb said:
This is the one. Great keeper, but I think he benefitted for a long time from some of his earlier success, and recieved more praise than be should have gotten for Spain's exploits. Buffon was always better, Chechnya was better till the head injury. VDS was just as good from 08 to 11 and Neuer was better from even as early as 2010. Keepers have a tendency of living on reputation. I.e Joe Hart
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Who the feck is Chechnya?

Cech?
 
They all deserve to be there.

Ramos having the second most nominations and nearly as many as Ronaldo and Messi either shows people going for an easy choice or how few great centre backs there have been this generation. Still deserves a number of nominations mind.
 
Has to be Neymar. He's brilliant but such an awful team player. Still plays the game like a 20-21 year old thinking it's all about him.
 
Iniesta and Dani Alves do not deserve that many nominations in a row I think.

I guess Xavi and Iniesta 2008-2012 deserved to be nominated under Spain dominance, but I feel Iniesta got the last picks on reputation when both Spain and Barca failed to win the big things.
 
Daysleeper said:
I’d argue Ramos is best overall CB of the last ten years
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Potentially, but the bar has lowered a fair bit from 15-20 years ago. I still think Vidic and Ferdinand were better all round defenders, but Ramos is arguably perfect for a team on top in the majority of games. Van Dyke is also one of the most complete defenders in recent years and wouldn’t have looked out of place in the era but he’s proven it for a far shorter period than the others.
 
Daysleeper said:
He was absolutely world class from 2011-2018. He’s fallen off recently with age, but during his prime the guy was definitely a beast.
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Fair enough. I will confess I haven't watched that much of him outside of the Champions League and some La Liga games now and then. As a fan, you'd know more. But he just never seemed that good. Not bad, of course, but I wouldn't personally put him in the world-class territory.

Again, this probably goes back to me not watchng him week in, week out, but when i did tune in he always seemed to have a clanger in him, and was often caught out. Perhaps that's just recency bias, though. Becuase i think even his most ardent fans would admit he's fallen off quite dramatically.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Fair enough. I will confess I haven't watched that much of him outside of the Champions League and some La Liga games now and then. As a fan, you'd know more. But he just never seemed that good. Not bad, of course, but I wouldn't personally put him in the world-class territory.

Again, this probably goes back to me not watchng him week in, week out, but when i did tune in he always seemed to have a clanger in him, and was often caught out. Perhaps that's just recency bias, though. Becuase i think even his most ardent fans would admit he's fallen off quite dramatically.
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This is my sort of general opinion of him too. Good defender, great on the ball, but not really a generational type defender. But like you I only really watched him in the big matches and in international tournaments.
 
What's most concerning about that list is the omission of Rooney from it. I mean, the record goalscorer for England and United was never once considered good enough to make FIFA's team of the year, but Terry (5) and Gerrard (3) were?

Farcical.
 
AltiUn said:
Also if we actually are naming world class players we think are overrated I nominate Puyol. Great player? Yes. One of the best of all time? Not in my eyes.
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Miles better defender than Ramos.

Kronos is also lucky to be on that list. Casillas above Buffon too...
 
I always thought Marcelo was incredible. No arguments from me about him.
 
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