Clearly Hamas's Iranian paymasters decided on the latter.
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Now it has spread to the west bank. Group of illegal settlers have attacked a village after some Palestinians threw stones.
It all started when he hit me back.
So you're telling me I can buy a plane ticket now to Sweden, and upon landing at the airport I will have all the privileges that Swedish citizens have? Why do immigrants wait 5, 10 and even 20 years sometimes to become citizens in many of our civilized countries if according to you they can have the same privileges from day 1?
The fact that you can hop on a plane and go to Sweden means, as you've admitted, that you already more rights than an Arab driven out of Israel and into refugeehood has if they try to return to their legal place of residence in Israel.
Well if it was their country to begin with then yes they should have all rights and privileges as any other citizen
Once you stay in Sweden you have exactly the same right as a national Swedish, social care, medical care, economical aid, etc. The only thing that changes when you become a Swedish citizen is that you have a passport. As I said, these are civilized countries. And I am talking about a foreigner coming to Sweden, while you are comparing people who are already the authentic people of the land being denied equal rights.
Yeah, you nailed it.
I don't know who is having more of a rough time in this thread. @MacabbiUnited , @Giggs86 or @owlo .
It's genuinely baffling that this is the comparison he is trying to make.
Next time the Arabs start yet another genocidal war against the Jews perhaps they should ask Sweden to help relocate the refugee's in case they lose again.
remove that part about plane tickets and airports, and then you have a proper analogy
I must be misunderstanding what you are saying.
You're not, the beast has been awoken. Better not to engage.
Obviously, yes, when did I claim otherwise?
Fair enough, so you think that all the residents of Gaza and the West Bank should receive Israeli citizenship like the Israeli-Arabs have? That's the solution?
Interesting. Once you stay in the US without a green card, let alone a citizenship, well you probably know what happens. A bit unfair on the Swedish tax-payers, don't you think? But that's a whole different topic.
Stay away from that one.
It's their home, the home of their parents and ancestors, so obviously they should. They should all have the same citizenship.
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In respond to statements like this I always hear from Zionists that Jewish people are the oldest ancestors of the land and therefore they deserve to live there. I then remembered that Jewish people were removed from Eygpt and migrated to the land that is now Israel, so surely there must have been someone living there already when they went there? I couldn't have been that the land was completely uninhabited when they arrived.
I started reading and watching up on Canaanites, who were the people living in that area (including parts of what is now Jordan, Syria and Lebanon). In the Bible it's mentioned though that the Israelites wiped out all the Canaanites, killing everyone including mothers and their children (ironic when you realize their whole claim to this land is based on a genocide and they complain about Arabs wanting to do that to them to get that land back).
Actually, Canaanites were not exterminated and their DNA has been found in people currently living throught that region, from Jewish people currently in Israel to Arabs from surrounding countries as well (93% of Lebanese DNA matches with Canaanite DNA). Therefore, their whole claim of being the oldest anchestors of that land is completely bogus and therefore Arabs have as much right to that land as Zionists believe they do.
I dont know how you think, your logic is Trump-like, but Sweds wrote these laws with their own hands because they believe in humanity and equality, money comes after that, I dont expect someone like you to understand that.
I don't think it was the Arabs who started this war and everyone has the right to defend their home.
Yes they should it's rightfully their home.
The Palestinians may have been part of the people that came from Egypt.
How do we know Canaanite DNA? Where did they extract it from?
Wow, just wow. Some people does not even try to hide it.
You are referring to people who come from different countries not people who were born and raised in the US. If someone was born and raised in the US they don't need a Green Card or Visa. They are already citizens and wouldn't need any further verification or go through any other process. It's their birthright.
Brainwashing at it's finest.
Yea, there could have been conversions into Islam and Christianity after the conquests that occurred later on.
There have been digs in Israel and Lebenon that unconvered burials dating back to before the Israelites came into Israel and are referred to as Canaanites. The DNA extracted from those digs matches with DNA from Lebanese, Israelies and Arabs.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...m-biblical-canaanites-lives-modern-arabs-jews
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ible-ancient-dna-lebanon-genetics-archaeology
Not the correct thread, but why would anyone put much much historical stock in a religious text that has been highly modified throughout its existence, much less one that wasn’t even in print until just under 600 years ago?
I may have mentioned it before but the two peoples once believed in exactly the same religion. It makes me wonder what else they still share such as genetically.
Yep - I am a proud Jew and
The word Palestine is from the word Philistine.....who were from Crete.
Correct - the original Palestinians were the Jews after the Romans rebranded Judea as Palestine.
The word Palestine is from the word Philistine.....who were from Crete.
Yea I mean it's a ridiculous argument to make in any case, but I was interested in the history of that claim and therefore did a bit of reading. To say the land is theirs because god gave it to them is something you, as a rational person, can't really counter. Thankfully, the claim of being the oldest ancestors is something that can be countered with scientific evidence.
Not the right place.
Perhaps verified Canaanite graves?
It is a bit confusing with all these same kind of monickers arguing among themselves.
Canadians. We are the true heirs of that land as we have a similar sounding name.
It does have some relevance due to the underlying issue in this conflict.Not the right place.
But a debate over such shouldn’t take place here, I agree.
Well said & speaks to the underlying theme of this conflict.
I quite clearly didn’t say you did. Just reiterating the ridiculousness that is Israeli domestic policy.
So why is the Al-Asqa mosque on top of Judaism's holiest site and not underneath it then?
No no no no, the Jewish people were a people of Palestine as much as any other residents, please don't draw me into your brand of madness. I am already committed to my own.