OrcaFat
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To clarify, are you saying you want violent criminal protest and you don’t think it all comes down to money?Waiter, I'll have the exact opposite please.
To clarify, are you saying you want violent criminal protest and you don’t think it all comes down to money?Waiter, I'll have the exact opposite please.
How long have you been legally blind?I’m kind of annoyed about the effect of the protests. They’ve pretty much spoiled a decent looking end to the season.
Form has dropped a bit and it has the look of 5 straight defeats about it, including the Europa final.
Eh?How long have you been legally blind?
A lot of ‘super fans’ in here lately.
The Glazers’ wet dream.
Feel free to direct me to the last time we lost 5 on the bounce. We have Fulham up next, who have lost 7 of their last 8 matches (drawing the other) and are already relegated. Does their own poor form supercede our own?Eh?
We lost 3 out of 4 since this happened. Coincidence, perhaps, but when the wheels come off it can be hard to turn it round.
I admit I am in a deep sulk after the Liv defeat. I can’t be arsed with all the politics. The attitude of some saying they will do everything possible to get games postponed is, to me, annoying. I just want to watch the team play; the Glazers never stopped me doing that and I found I can dislike them and enjoy football at the same time (it’s just less enjoyable when there’s a fixture pile up and we’re shipping defeats).
Or put another way: Just like the protesters, I don’t want the Glazers to take billions out of the club; I just like watching the team more than they do.Feel free to direct me to the last time we lost 5 on the bounce. We have Fulham up next, who have lost 7 of their last 8 matches (drawing the other) and are already relegated. Does their own poor form supercede our own?
Those people protesting want to watch their club just as much as you do, it's just, they also don't want the Glazers to take billions out of the club, while leaving the stadium to rot.
Of course it's mostly about money. Why else do you think Glazers bought the club? Or do you imagine the near universal contempt of the super league was as an ostensive vehicle the fans used to get the owners to put an extra hundred million in the transfer kitty?Or put another way: Just like the protesters, I don’t want the Glazers to take billions out of the club; I just like watching the team more than they do.
But seriously, like I’ve said before, these protests are all about money. I don’t care much for how the club is being run, but then I also don’t assume that the realist alternatives would be better.
As for losing five on the bounce, we are nearly halfway to that, have lost to worse teams than Fulham and wolves before and we’ll have to be close to our best to best Villarreal so it is far from impossible, even if unlikely.
But what I dislike more than anything is the idea that disrupting the team, hoping for bad stuff to happen to the team so that we can hurt the evil Glazers, is anything more than self-harm that frankly no businessman or woman will give a shit about.
OK some well argued points.Of course it's mostly about money. Why else do you think Glazers bought the club? Or do you imagine the near universal contempt of the super league was as an ostensive vehicle the fans used to get the owners to put an extra hundred million in the transfer kitty?
Oh they give a shit about it. No self respecting businessman or woman wouldn't give a shit about it. That's evident by Joel Glazers squirming apology, the public damnation of the club ownership by Nick Train, a major stakeholder, and the news of the collapse of a £200m sponsorship deal. If they didn't give a shit then they're pretty lousy businessmen indeed.
The very nature of protesting requires some degree of self-sacrifice. Mumbling quietly to yourself that you'd like things to be better, but the rearranging of a football match is too much of am inconvenience, does absolutely nothing to stop the continued decay of well over of a century of cultural significance.
You sound like Souness here, i find it bizarre fans look at how they have run the club, what they get away with and are ok with it, as long as it doesnt effect your evenings tvI may be the only one but I just can’t get enthused about a protest that complains about us not being as rich as we used to be.
If we are hoping for a benefactor to come along who will cough up all the money from somewhere else and cycle all profits back into the club we will be waiting a long time. But more than that, if it ever happens, it will be just as dirty and empty as anything in sport.
For anyone talking about sacrifice, I heard an idea: when we get back into the stadium, stand up after 1 minute and peacefully exit the stadium. Do that every single week. It will be 100 times more powerful than scrapping with coppers and chucking bricks at cameras.
Well I don’t doubt there were some just pitching up because they like aggro.You're making the assumption that all the people in the mob actually ever go into games, and aren't just jumping into some aggro for fun.
I am saying the protesters will all be happy when they are showered with cash on the squad and stadium.You sound like Souness here, i find it bizarre fans look at how they have run the club, what they get away with and are ok with it, as long as it doesnt effect your evenings tv
Souness said united fans are just salty becuase they aint top of the league anymore. This was put to bed by Carragher of all people saying there were protests years ago when we were winning 3 leagues on the bounce and making CL finals.I am saying the protesters will all be happy when they are showered with cash on the squad and stadium.
I don’t know what Souness said but I am a fan because I like watching the football team.
Now, clearly, some people have very strong views about this and I don’t begrudge anyone their opinion or right of protest. I don’t have to agree with their motives or their methods.
If I felt as some of these protesters do, I would organise a long series of orchestrated walk outs, if there are enough match going fans to do their bit. It’s the best suggestion I’ve heard. The games can go ahead but the images of the stadium peacefully emptying will go around the world.
The type of response I’m expecting are:
1. Nobody will walk out after buying a ticket
2. You have to smash some heads to get attention
Hope I’m wrong.
I think there is a divide but I think it would be fans like me who remember lean years between Busby and SAF who would be more circumspect about what we are entitled to.Souness said united fans are just salty becuase they aint top of the league anymore. This was put to bed by Carragher of all people saying there were protests years ago when we were winning 3 leagues on the bounce and making CL finals.
I agree on the walkout, that was supposed to happen last season. it coincided on Brunos debut and the fact it happened to be the Munich anniversary so there was obvious conflict of being in good taste. the walkout was supposed to be on 58 or 68 minutes
Protesters who have seen the Glazers enter the club will never be happy with them. Showering cash on the squad and stadium is what they should be doing anyway. Its an absolute acceptance of mediocrity they have placed on the club while they count billions, there is clearly a divide of new fan who couldnt give a shit about them. Or they wouldnt mind them being removed as long as someone else does it for them
Seems like a guilty conscience.
Clarification I did the right thing in raising your antics with the appropriate authorities.
I'll sleep well.
Goodnight.
Let's just hope for the Fulham match tomorrow that fans leave the protesting outside of Old Trafford and once inside they are only there to support the players. It'll be 18 months since they've had supporters to play in front of so it should be a day of signing and showing support to the boys on the pitch.
United have confirmed this won't happen so it's completely irrelevant.When the fans tried to protest the 25 years of losing by NFL Washington Football Club/Redskins with posters inside the stadium, the greedy owner, Daniel Snyder had security remove all negative posters towards the owner and the team. This is the problem with protesting inside the stadium against greedy American owners.
When the fans tried to protest the 25 years of losing by NFL Washington Football Club/Redskins with posters inside the stadium, the greedy owner, Daniel Snyder had security remove all negative posters towards the owner and the team. This is the problem with protesting inside the stadium against greedy American owners.
Why not both? If you'd been to any of the protests recently or even the ones in 2005, 2010, 2020 etc you'd have seen there was just as much pro-United chanting as there was anti-Glazer.don't have an issue with them protesting against the Glazers as they've put the club in massive and unnecessary debt without properly backing the manager when needed and of course re-engineering Old Trafford. I just don't think given the circumstances surrounding the past 18 months due to health restrictions keeping fans out of the grounds, this is the time to have a go inside the grounds. Wear the green and gold if you like but fcking hell support the reds on the pitch with your voice.
You pick on isolated events for a false comparison.For anyone talking about sacrifice, I heard an idea: when we get back into the stadium, stand up after 1 minute and peacefully exit the stadium. Do that every single week. It will be 100 times more powerful than scrapping with coppers and chucking bricks at cameras.
If enough people stopped watching that it's reflected in the tv rating then they'll start to notice.
That is the only protest that is even remotely likely to influence sponsors.
If every United fan cancelled their Sky Sport/BT Sport/ Streaming outlets, etc contracts, not just in the UK but around the world then it might just resonate with the Glazers.
But with the owners thousands of miles away, then standing outside OT, waving banners and shouting the odds, letting off smoke bombs, battling with police, etc is as much use as a 'protest' as the proverbial 'chocolate teapot'.
I disagree, the protests outside the ground have far less sympathy because they infringe on liberties. It’s absolutely not a straw man argument.You pick on isolated events for a false comparison.
It won't necessarily be more powerful than 1000s protesting peacefully before a game. Which, by the way, is the only viable option right now as we are not back in the stadium.
Finally the 2 different types of protest are not mutually exclusive. You can arrange fans leaving the ground after 1 minute (when we get back in) AND have peaceful protest every game outside.
In short, stop making strawman arguments please. Thanks.
For anyone talking about sacrifice, I heard an idea: when we get back into the stadium, stand up after 1 minute and peacefully exit the stadium. Do that every single week. It will be 100 times more powerful than scrapping with coppers and chucking bricks at cameras.
Players need to be tougherhttps://www.theguardian.com/footbal...nce-of-manchester-united-players-says-solskjr
This basically confirms what some of us felt at the time. The manager feels that the protest did impact player performance on the pitch.
Local fans need to be very careful about unintended consequences here.
No they don't. Their goal is bigger picture. Given the remaining PL games are dead rubber, there's no better time for traction.https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...nce-of-manchester-united-players-says-solskjr
This basically confirms what some of us felt at the time. The manager feels that the protest did impact player performance on the pitch.
Local fans need to be very careful about unintended consequences here.
Interesting idea.Walkouts won't work.
I say this because for most of this season, the stadium has been empty and it hasn't really affected the sponsors.
Some sponsors are reluctant to sponsor us because of the protests.
The most powerful thing fans can do is to bring in Nike and Ford placards and hold them up throughout the match. I promise you - that'll hit the sponsors and the Glazers where it hurts. The Glazers will probably start getting phone calls within minutes of the match starting if that happens.
stadiums are empty as people cant be there, thats inevitable. Of course if people are walking out when they should be there its a talking point, with pictures shown all around the world in minutesWalkouts won't work.
I say this because for most of this season, the stadium has been empty and it hasn't really affected the sponsors.
Some sponsors are reluctant to sponsor us because of the protests.
The most powerful thing fans can do is to bring in Nike and Ford placards and hold them up throughout the match. I promise you - that'll hit the sponsors and the Glazers where it hurts. The Glazers will probably start getting phone calls within minutes of the match starting if that happens.
Yeah he's brilliant with media. Conveys the message without hurting anyone connected with the club.I have to say this is some terrible journalism. That’s not what he said in the context...he said the schedule had an impact and that obviously it’s better if the whole club is United but he didn’t say we lost because of the protests at all ffs.