No I wouldn't sack him just because of that, but that's what I would demand and what I thing we as a club should demand.
Yeah the old "let's blame the past" argument. Maybe our terrible 2020 transfer feck us? I mean what changed so much after 2019?
Circumstantial correlation. Swing and a miss!
What signs are there? How do you predict a manager will be successful? There is really no way to predict that factually, that will be very subjective.
Prediction and evaluation are two different things.
What signs? Well competing it's one, I mean we got out of group stages of UCL so while subjective to say we failed miserably I think it's a fair way to evaluate it.
Evaluating if a manager will be successful after 3/4 of a season is a prediction.
The thing is Ole himself was a gamble, a gamble which was as a result of us thinking he was good enough to perform immediately (Mourinho was the problem and Ole can get the best out of the players, etc). It was only once he started failing badly that the whole rebuild rhetoric came to the fore, and has lingered for 3 years now.
I’m going by his entire time here. It’s not a situation in which there are little to no arguments in favor of the manager, but there are some glaring issues that are being purposely ignored by posters who, unlike you, are just campaigning on his behalf in an intellectually dishonest manner, rather than debating.
Evaluating or predicting doesn't matter, bottom line is you trust the manager to give results?
Yes sometimes 1 transfer window can do the job…on football manager. In real life, it takes time.
How much time?
Takes time yeah. How much time is the key.
Yeah, they clearly didnt trust Moyes to get better when he failed his primary objective, they seem to trust Ole though
I think they trust him to get top 4, that's the problem. Ole brings stability much needed to secure top 4, but that's about it. Sadly that seems to be enough for the owners.
They had little choice after they prematurely gave him a permanent contract, and we subsequently went on that abysmal run. They had to openly back him to save face.
Most of them support Ole.
The idiotic board reward mediocrity, maybe they get the feeling of acceptance of Ole from large section of our fanbase that support Ole (based mostly on sentimentality). Even if we ignore the trophyless seasons he had till now, his football is small time football playing only on counters, and if he faces a team that park the bus he is usually clueless.
i’ve seen progress under Ole despite the fact that the squad he has is not completely what he wants. A key positive is the squad harmony which we haven’t seen since 2013. The players back him and trust the process. The football is better than under the 3 previous managers as well. We’re almost there.
Yeah it's already been 2. 5 years. It's now time to deliver. The whole 3-4 years thing doesn't hold water anymore.
What are you on about? we are the second most expensive squad in the world at the moment. It would require a donkey to go in the Spurs/Arsenal spiral.
both Pep and Klopp can win the league with this squad.
It's not even about players, it's about the opportunity cost of time and money. Even if this particular squad is problematic for those two managers, it's a safe bet that with a similar amount of time and money provided they can win the league.
Exactly, giving money to Pep or Klopp will turn in the end to something good.
You're dodging the question by, I'm sorry, repeating similar phrases I have read ton of times before.
a simple answer (rephrasing what I have already said), until he is properly backed with the signings he needs to have a decent squad depth to carry the team till the end of the season. Any manager would need that
So that's basically a no answer. Last season he signed VDB for 45m to be just that squad depth, barely even used him and people already classified him as a signing he didn't want, so simply every summer if he signed players and they were shit we can say he wasn't properly backed and still needs more time.
Both of those managers were past it when we hired them.
No manager has a squad that they completely want, otherwise they wouldnt sign anyone on the windows. Squads are always improving, I think the card about "not having the squad he wants" applies only to managers that got the job in the middle of a season and valid for one season only. Otherwise any coach can claim that they dont have the squad he wants even if he's been on the job for years.
well thats really convinient, under that logic we can claim no manager has failed, they just havent been properly backed up with the signins they needed.
Not true. With jose for example, although we won a couple of trophies, the shape of the team and the football we played was bad. He lost the dressing room as well. It was obvious we were going down hill with him.
Our rebuild is taking so long that by the time we get in some other world class players our current ones will be old and need replacing. That is why rebuilds shouldn't take years... it's nonsense to say otherwise.
Throw your tantrum on the internet all you want, the majority of fans support the manager, especially the match going ones.
We couldn't have beat Villarreal with this squad?
Do you think Ole got the absolute best out of this squad? Serious question.
West brom beat chelsea 5-2. It’s not about the game, in a game anything can happen. In the final, we drew and then lost the shootout. The way I see the final, we needed an attacking substitution midway through the second half, we had no one on the bench for that. Had to carry on with Rashford who was having an off night. The progress I am talking about is in the context of the full season and not just a game
This.
If I didn't know any better, looking at this thread would make me think it was Ole's 7th season.
