Who screwed up more in the final, Pep or Ole?

[fergies coat]

Couple of players, Sancho, a CB maybe, another good midfielder..
The thing is that there simply isn't as good a league coach as Guardiola anywhere, so winning the league against him is an uphill battle which only freaks like Conte or Klopp can achieve, once, when things go right for them.
Once Pep is gone, the Premier League will be there for the taking again.

I know, unfortunately it looks like city will dominate the league for a good while now. The Saudis aren't going away.

 

[Dave Smith]

I am sorry, beat up on Ole all you want, but he selected the best side. Utd on Wednesday were let down by:

1) Poor performances
2) Lack of motivation by the manager to inspire the players.
3) Poor use of substitutions

Pep on the other hand shat the bed, he pick the wrong players and played people out of position. I think the idea was to take Chelsea on and dominate them, which underestimated their defence and disregard their counter. He literally threw the first half way. If Chelsea had a half decent CF, they would've gone in 3-0 up.

 

[pocco]

On the face of it, obviously Ole given the opposition. Especially if you're one of these supporters that thinks he's made great strides, is a great manager and we're genuinely the 2nd best team in the league. Not to mention that Tuchel is also a top manager and there's less shame in losing to them.

However, Ole lost the final a long time ago. The final was just a continuation of issues that have been prevalent throughout his reign. Emery just recognised them and exploited them with a mediocre team.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Pep did of course but I'd say the comparison is pointless considering he is by far the better manager. He fecked this one but won the Prem so it of course gets him leeway on it.

Simply put we got lots of problems as usual. The owners, the Board, probably not a good enough manager and will need additions to our team.

 

[Oranges038]

Both got shit wrong in line ups and tactics during the game. Chelsea and Villarreal had better game plans.

City ended the game pumping high balls into the box and firing in long throws.

Utd ended the game by unloading penalty takers onto the pitch.

I'd call this one a draw.

 

[Diabovermelho]

Given Fred's injury, i think Ole selected the best team available. The problem was the way he managed the game.

Pep, on the contrary, selected the wrong team. No matter how good or dominant is your defence, it'll be vulnerable without a proper DM protecting them. You just can't leave 2 DM's on the bench and put your goalscorer of the season as the only defensive mid. This wasn't a match against a low block, bottom of the league team, it's the champions league final. He has track record of overthinking in big ucl matches, and this final was just another one.

But we were heavy favorites against Villarreal, much more than City was against Chelsea. Still, both screwed up bad, but in different ways.

 

[tenpoless]

Pep has won what? 2 trophies whilst steam rolling the PL?
Why do I feel like this will be another excuse. I'm sorry but Chelsea is a better team than Villareal.
This is the problem, why the feck do we always put ourselves in a situation where we look up to managers/teams/results that are bad.
Like when we lose it's okay because Pool lose too. Ole loses a final but it's okay because Pep loses too.
If that's the case when are we going to improve exactly? because by that logic everything is fine even though the contexts are very different.

If it's specifically about the final though they're both fecked up. But it shouldn't make us feel better about ourselves.

 

[owlo]

Pep has won what? 2 trophies whilst steam rolling the PL?
Why do I feel like this will be another excuse. I'm sorry but Chelsea is a better team than Villareal.
This is the problem, why the feck do we always put ourselves in a situation where we look up to managers/teams/results that are bad.
Like when we lose it's okay because Pool lose too. Ole loses a final but it's okay because Pep loses too.
If that's the case when are we going to improve exactly? because by that logic everything is fine even though the contexts are very different.

If it's specifically about the final though they're both fecked up. But it shouldn't make us feel better about ourselves.

Yea feels like people are using this as some sort of convoluted logic to compare ole to pep and conclude He’s not that bad.

 

[el3mel]

I am sorry, beat up on Ole all you want, but he selected the best side. Utd on Wednesday were let down by:

1) Poor performances
2) Lack of motivation by the manager to inspire the players.
3) Poor use of substitutions

Pep on the other hand shat the bed, he pick the wrong players and played people out of position. I think the idea was to take Chelsea on and dominate them, which underestimated their defence and disregard their counter. He literally threw the first half way. If Chelsea had a half decent CF, they would've gone in 3-0 up.

You realize the gap in quality between both teams do actually matter, right? We were heavy favorites to defeat Villarreal, while the CL final was a 50-50.

 

[Mindhunter]

They both "fecked up". Just goes to show that winning a european cup is hard. Apart from Zidane and Emery, very few managers win it more than once or twice.

Well, one of them fecked up in the CL final, the other fecked up in a final where he had no reason to be in the first place. Either way, what's done is done. It was incredibly frustrating to see how we didn't press our advantage despite having better players. We allowed them to play their game and then resigned ourselves to penalty kicks which are basically a gamble.

That was the only way Villareal were going to win and we allowed it to happen. It was incredibly naive. I think Ole has done a good job overall though. Having a calm and convivial environment at the club is underrated and he has certainly created that after years of turmoil. I am sure the results will improve from here if the right investment is made and he will learn from this mistake too.

 

[Martial]

One is just the Europa league. One is the Champions league.

I've already forgotten the Europa final, whilst I still feel pain over our Champions League final losses (especially 2009) and even the Real Madrid quarters when Nani got sent off or the Bayern quarter with the Rooney injury and Robben volley.

The Europa barely registers, who gives a feck.

 

[VidaRed]

One is just the Europa league. One is the Champions league.

I've already forgotten the Europa final, whilst I still feel pain over our Champions League final losses (especially 2009) and even the Real Madrid quarters when Nani got sent off or the Bayern quarter with the Rooney injury and Robben volley.

The Europa barely registers, who gives a feck.

That one still annoys me. Although i dont remember if the ref gave a helping hand to bayern ?

 

[Martial]

That one still annoys me. Although i dont remember if the ref gave a helping hand to bayern ?

Yep an unfair Rafael second yellow. I'm still not over it.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

I think the impact of the loss would be way more on United next season than City.

Going with a Europa win would have been a huge morale booster for the team.

Can see City coming back hungry for more with complacency not setting in.

Looking at the quality of the opponents, Pep winning would have been a 60-40 while Ole winning it would have been 80-20. No question Ole fecked up more. Especially considering we didn't even have any league position worries in the last few weems

Pep made a huge tactical mistake and Ole's in game management was terrible. Tough to compare both but the ramifications for Ole would be larger with questions being raised about his tactical and managerial ability in big games. That is not ideal going into a new season.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Pep’s feck up will he remembered for years. Everybody has already forgot about Ole’s. The EL is a nothing trophy anyway.

 

[Galactic]

With all the players at their disposals, Pep by a mile. No doubt about it.

 

[Eternitiy]

City lost a game they were slight favourites for, United lost a game they were overwhelming favourites. The answer is clear.

Indeed. Guardiola's initial team selection was weird, but at least he tried to rectify it as the game progressed.

Ole was petrified to alter his tactics and go for a win as the game progressed in a match we should have won comfortably.

Furthermore, City will be challenging on all fronts again next season and are surely one of the favourites to win the Champions League next season. We'll struggle to progress past the group stage.

 

[elmo]

Pep fecked up more.

Apart from not subbing the goalkeeper for the penalty shoot out, Ole did basically what he did the entire season which was to pick his biggest 11 names and hope they were good enough to win it.

 

[FatTails]

Pep is the better and more experienced manager, so in that sense, his mistakes are worse.

On the other hand, the gulf in class, squads, and resources between us and Villarreal means that Ole’s failure is a lot more glaring.

Chelsea have been excellent under Tuchel and have a great first 11 and squad. Even if Fernandinho started, and possibly a striker, there is no guarantees City would’ve won today.

 

[Eternitiy]

Pep is the better and more experienced manager, so in that sense, his mistakes are worse.

On the other hand, the gulf in class, squads, and resources between us and Villarreal means that Ole’s failure is a lot more glaring.

Chelsea have been excellent under Tuchel and have a great first 11 and squad. Even if Fernandinho started, and possibly a striker, there is no guarantees City would’ve won today.

And people were saying our squad depth was the reason we lost. Against Villarreal. Laughable. No disrespect intended to Villarreal, but we expectedly have a much stronger squad due to our resources and stature as a club. The only reason we lost was due to Emery managing the game better - exploiting our weaknesses against set pieces and making proactive substitutions (switching formation and adding Coquelin in midfield, replacing tired players). Ole didn't have an answer and quite embarrassingly seemed content to ride out the game for a penalty shootout.

 

[KungFuCantona]

Pep all day long

 

[Bebestation]

We lost by penalties- a 50/50 chance that even went to the goalkeepers taking a shot to have us lose. We ultimately drew that game when we shouldn’t have compared to Man City that didn’t score and lost outright to Chelsea in 90 mins- arguably when having all of their most important players available unlike us (Maguire).

 

[SAFMUTD]

We lost by penalties- a 50/50 chance that even went to the goalkeepers taking a shot to have us lose. We ultimately drew that game when we shouldn’t have compared to Man City that didn’t score and lost outright to Chelsea in 90 mins- arguably when having all of their most important players available unlike us (Maguire).

Im from the opinion that Pep should be critiqued more than Ole, but come on mate. You're just making excuses, truth is City were favorites to win over Chelsea but no one can ridicule them for losing, Chelsea are a well managed strong team. On the other hand we shit the bed against Villarreal, we are the laughing stock at the moment. We didn't had Maguire? Poor us, we only had our 750M squad to make up for it.

 

[Sky1981]

Pep actually tried. He knows what he's doing, he's tinkering too much but still he tinkers.

Ole doesnt even know what happens, throws his best xi and hope his attacking players pulls out magic.

Both failed.

 

[Sky1981]

We lost by penalties- a 50/50 chance that even went to the goalkeepers taking a shot to have us lose. We ultimately drew that game when we shouldn’t have compared to Man City that didn’t score and lost outright to Chelsea in 90 mins- arguably when having all of their most important players available unlike us (Maguire).

The penalty itself isnt a big sin..but 1 shots on target against a team clinging to their dear life and clearly plays for PK shootout.

If this is SAF team we would have camped in their half and made them earnt their PK.

We dont even seems to want it that much. Saf would have put more attacking subs before the end of 90 minutes.

The term throwing a kitchen sink

 

[hobbers]

Ole obviously. Purely on quality of opposition.

But if you wanna go deeper:
Pep took a big risk with his team selection. Ole didn't. Neither worked.
Pep saw the game going away from them and made changes. Ole saw the game going away from us and was frozen in fear until the 110th fecking minute.
Pep made bad calls in hindsight but at least he made calls. Ole was too spineless to hook Rashford or even to put Henderson on for penalties. Obvious changes any half decent manager would have made.

 

[Rojofiam]

People out here thinking (or at least claiming) that City weren't huge favorites for the final, even dismissing the bookies' odds. Fools

 

[ti vu]

Funny thing is Ole would probably have a better chance of beating Pep than Unai. The way Villareal played is the antidote to the way United plays. The way Ole (and Tuchel) play is the antidote to Pep.

Ole has a good record against Pep overall, but in cup game where it matters, Pep has been putting Ole in his places. Tuchel at Chelsea now has 3-0 record vs Pep's City in 3 different competition. Incomparable.

 

[Kaos]

Yes there is, it’s called “football eh”

Then the footballing gods must really hate him considering this is yet another semi/final he's come out second best against inferior opposition.

 

[mariachi-19]

Pep has won what? 2 trophies whilst steam rolling the PL?
Why do I feel like this will be another excuse. I'm sorry but Chelsea is a better team than Villareal.
This is the problem, why the feck do we always put ourselves in a situation where we look up to managers/teams/results that are bad.
Like when we lose it's okay because Pool lose too. Ole loses a final but it's okay because Pep loses too.
If that's the case when are we going to improve exactly? because by that logic everything is fine even though the contexts are very different.

If it's specifically about the final though they're both fecked up. But it shouldn't make us feel better about ourselves.

Pep who has two first teams to choose from, who has been in this position twice as a manger and playing against a team who have struggled massively for results in the last few weeks.

Sorry, but based on experience, squad availability/quality and form of the team coming into their respective games, Pep shat the bed massively.

 

[Ayoba]

Pep messed up his lineup, he tried to recover 2nd half by changing things around but it was too late against a well drilled Chelsea.

Ole I felt actually got his starting lineup right, but failed to do ANYTHING of any significance during the game. That, and also the fact we were facing a team that finished 7th in la Liga, I'd say the clear and obvious answer is Ole

 

[tenpoless]

Pep who has two first teams to choose from, who has been in this position twice as a manger and playing against a team who have struggled massively for results in the last few weeks.

Sorry, but based on experience, squad availability/quality and form of the team coming into their respective games, Pep shat the bed massively.

We shat the bed massively too considering the gap between our squad and Villareal's. Their savior is Moreno. But yeah it's nice to see City getting fecked.

 

[Bebestation]

Im from the opinion that Pep should be critiqued more than Ole, but come on mate. You're just making excuses, truth is City were favorites to win over Chelsea but no one can ridicule them for losing, Chelsea are a well managed strong team. On the other hand we shit the bed against Villarreal, we are the laughing stock at the moment. We didn't had Maguire? Poor us, we only had our 750M squad to make up for it.

Yet you think Lindelof and Bailly is good enough then.

The fact is that there central defenders were better than ours in terms of performance and potential.

Everyone allows Tuchel to lose to Leicester City and don’t say shit but when Ole loses to Villarreal on a penalty shoot out that went in to 11 penalty takers then the guns come out.

Ole made serious mistakes that day like his subs and possibly his use of Rashford as a LW; yet Guardiola has spent nearly half a decade spending a bit under a billion on players at 750 million.

Yet in to your eyes it’s Ole that has spent 750 million on a squad when he is managing some utter shit that our fans got when they craved a manager like Mourinho. It’s not even close, the money he has spent on most on a player was injured as well.

It’s why I’m okay for him to spend money on another season because I want better players. I want a CDM that was never Matic. I finally want to have a RW and a CB that can play like Maguire when Maguire is not even there next to him.

all our fans consistently hug thesmanagers that end up losing important matches when managing clubs that have nearly 200million worth of wingers alone.

I’m an Ole in fan - not because I think he is going to be this manager that manage us to be some historical CL winning team - but I appreciate his ability to improve and build foundation at our club with better players, targeting the right transfers (Sancho etc), giving chances to young players that look like they’ll have good potential (Hannibal, shoretire, Amad , management of Greenwood’s career so far) and just have a better atmosphere around United.

Ole will probably not win anything next year after possibly spending money on some good players that build our club to be better - then everyone can shake hands and tell Ole that his time is up.

Then we can target a top class manager who has the ability to manage more top class players that we have managed to accumulate under Ole.

Without him we may have had a world class manager managing Sanchez, Lukaku, Ashley Young, Smalling etc - I’m just happy to be patient and watch Ole build up United to be more current generation and stronger before telling him to go and being angry at him for losing an Europa league final by penalties.

 

[mariachi-19]

We shat the bed massively too considering the gap between our squad and Villareal's. Their savior is Moreno. But yeah it's nice to see City getting fecked.

Ole didn’t shit the bed as bad as pep.
He played the best team available to him and over 90 minutes we were the better side. Lack of quality off the bench and perhaps the Greenwood sub hurt us

 

[SAFMUTD]

Yet you think Lindelof and Bailly is good enough then.

To keep Villarreal in line? Without a freaking doubt. They created nothing besides the goal from the set piece. Which we've been pretty awful to defend (worse in the league) even with Maguire.

The fact is that there central defenders were better than ours in terms of performance and potential.

Ours weren't really tested, it wasn't a defending problem it was an attacking one.

Everyone allows Tuchel to lose to Leicester City and don’t say shit but when Ole loses to Villarreal on a penalty shoot out that went in to 11 penalty takers then the guns come out.

Two differences there, nobody says anything about Tuchel because he lost against Leicester City which is by no means a top team but is way better than Villarreal. Also they lost against an amazing goal from long range from Tielemans and an excellent performance from Schemichel.

We lost against Villarreal by conceding a set piece and creating feck nothing all game while our coach seemed to be determined to sabotage us instead of helping.

It's not only lossing, the reasons for the lost matter. Did Tuchel fecked up against Leicester? Ole definitely fecked up against Villarreal.

Ole made serious mistakes that day like his subs and possibly his use of Rashford as a LW; yet Guardiola has spent nearly half a decade spending a bit under a billion on players at 750 million.

Yet in to your eyes it’s Ole that has spent 750 million on a squad when he is managing some utter shit that our fans got when they craved a manager like Mourinho. It’s not even close, the money he has spent on most on a player was injured as well.

What does one thing has to do with the other? Why does Pep spending has anything to do with Ole making mistakes against Villarreal?

Pep has spent a lot, and he has the titles to show for it 3 EPLs in 5 years and 4 league cups. We hadn't exactly spent little and have NOTHING to show for it.

It’s why I’m okay for him to spend money on another season because I want better players. I want a CDM that was never Matic. I finally want to have a RW and a CB that can play like Maguire when Maguire is not even there next to him.

all our fans consistently hug thesmanagers that end up losing important matches when managing clubs that have nearly 200million worth of wingers alone.

We all want better players, but we also want a better manager. Bringing better players won't solve the coaching problem we have. Hypothetically let's say Ole changes job with Pep, Tuchel or Klopp, do you think Ole could make those teams perform to a similar level? No way.

I’m an Ole in fan - not because I think he is going to be this manager that manage us to be some historical CL winning team - but I appreciate his ability to improve and build foundation at our club with better players, targeting the right transfers (Sancho etc), giving chances to young players that look like they’ll have good potential (Hannibal, shoretire, Amad , management of Greenwood’s career so far) and just have a better atmosphere around United.

Ole will probably not win anything next year after possibly spending money on some good players that build our club to be better - then everyone can shake hands and tell Ole that his time is up.

So basically what you are saying is you recognize he's not up to it, he won't win top titles but he'll have nice harmony between the squad and give youngsters plenty of chances. I envy you mate, I wish I could lower my expectations as much as you I think I would be happier specially with the way our club is going.

Then we can target a top class manager who has the ability to manage more top class players that we have managed to accumulate under Ole.

Why waste another season? It's clear that he won't win, we can get ourselves a shot with another manager. We could buy the same players with or without Ole, I don't think him staying affects in any positive way to bring players. It's not like players are particularly attracted to play for Ole.

Without him we may have had a world class manager managing Sanchez, Lukaku, Ashley Young, Smalling etc - I’m just happy to be patient and watch Ole build up United to be more current generation and stronger before telling him to go and being angry at him for losing an Europa league final by penalties.

You seriously think if not for Ole we wouldn't have changed the squad? You do know every single manager changes their squad right? Not only here but in every single club.

 

[Bebestation]

To keep Villarreal in line? Without a freaking doubt. They created nothing besides the goal from the set piece. Which we've been pretty awful to defend (worse in the league) even with Maguire.



Ours weren't really tested, it wasn't a defending problem it was an attacking one.



Two differences there, nobody says anything about Tuchel because he lost against Leicester City which is by no means a top team but is way better than Villarreal. Also they lost against an amazing goal from long range from Tielemans and an excellent performance from Schemichel.

We lost against Villarreal by conceding a set piece and creating feck nothing all game while our coach seemed to be determined to sabotage us instead of helping.

It's not only lossing, the reasons for the lost matter. Did Tuchel fecked up against Leicester? Ole definitely fecked up against Villarreal.


What does one thing has to do with the other? Why does Pep spending has anything to do with Ole making mistakes against Villarreal?

Pep has spent a lot, and he has the titles to show for it 3 EPLs in 5 years and 4 league cups. We hadn't exactly spent little and have NOTHING to show for it.



We all want better players, but we also want a better manager. Bringing better players won't solve the coaching problem we have. Hypothetically let's say Ole changes job with Pep, Tuchel or Klopp, do you think Ole could make those teams perform to a similar level? No way.



So basically what you are saying is you recognize he's not up to it, he won't win top titles but he'll have nice harmony between the squad and give youngsters plenty of chances. I envy you mate, I wish I could lower my expectations as much as you I think I would be happier specially with the way our club is going.




Why waste another season? It's clear that he won't win, we can get ourselves a shot with another manager. We could buy the same players with or without Ole, I don't think him staying affects in any positive way to bring players. It's not like players are particularly attracted to play for Ole.



You seriously think if not for Ole we wouldn't have changed the squad? You do know every single manager changes their squad right? Not only here but in every single club.

Have you seen how many people have started craving Conte?

Have you seen what players he bought off of us, what players he would buy and would leave behind at us when we finish?

The fact is that SAF wasn’t just a manager for us - he was a 20 year old ruler of our club who controlled DOF aspects, dictation of which coaches, assistant managers, which players play for us and more.

Ole is the first one to try and do this than just buying and selling a bunch of players like Jose or Van Gaal did that suits their own personal style meaning we go back to being an incompetent team that ends up fighting for Europa league every 2 and a half seasons.

Villarreal played purely defensive football the whole day - we struggled to penetrate them. How did they penetrate us? By our main weakness of aerial ability from set pieces.

Maguire makes that better but not perfect because of the crap he plays next to like Lindelof and Bailly . We even started playing Henderson over De Gea because of one player’s ability to come out and control the box in set pieces.

We needed to be better attacking wise but ultimately we did get a goal against them. Their tactic was to get a cheap goal against us and have 11 players consistently defending back.
That cheap goal came from a weakness that everyone knows about and is one of the main reasons we are going for a new CB this summer.


anyway, 2nd in the league and hopefully we can push on as a club and squad more - if not then Ole’s time is up but I can do it with a smile on my face because he has helped us improve and leave us in a better place than Saf, moyes, LVG and Mourinho all did.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Have you seen how many people have started craving Conte?

Have you seen what players he bought off of us, what players he would buy and would leave behind at us when we finish?

He bought experienced players, sure they're not ideal for a team that is building towards the future. Lukaku is by no means a waste of a player and he proved it in serie A, his goal record is really something.

Also he's input is not only on old players, he bought Hakimi and Barella as well. Both young and amazing players.

Same could be said about Ole, look the kind of players he buys. Do you want him to spend on players like Van de Beek and overpay for CBs?

Ultimately I wouldn't want Conte here, I think he's too problematic. But if having to choose between Ole and Conte I would choose Conte 100% because the man's a winner. He has proved it in Italy and England.

The fact is that SAF wasn’t just a manager for us - he was a 20 year old ruler of our club who controlled DOF aspects, dictation of which coaches, assistant managers, which players play for us and more.

Again why does that has anything to do with Ole? Sir Alex was an all time great, I don't think we'll live to see another manager that can do what he did, and football has evolved.

Ole is the first one to try and do this than just buying and selling a bunch of players like Jose or Van Gaal did that suits their own personal style meaning we go back to being an incompetent team that ends up fighting for Europa league every 2 and a half seasons.

Why Ole selling and buying players is anything different from LVG and Mourinho? They all sold the players they didn't like and brought players they wanted. I don't see a difference at all. Also of course each manager buys players that suit their style, that's the point of it actually not doing it that way it's a mistake, you'll end up with players that don't fit the scheme like VDB.

Villarreal played purely defensive football the whole day - we struggled to penetrate them. How did they penetrate us? By our main weakness of aerial ability from set pieces.

Maguire makes that better but not perfect because of the crap he plays next to like Lindelof and Bailly . We even started playing Henderson over De Gea because of one player’s ability to come out and control the box in set pieces.

I've written about this specific subject before, and Im totally convinced set pieces are a coaching and not a player problem. Could we have better defenders? Sure, but are our defenders actually that bad for us to be the worst team at set pieces? (not exaggerating we really are the worst team at set pieces in the league) surely not, it's a coaching problem and bringing a new CB or GK or both can diminish the problem but won't solve it. It can only be solved with proper coaching.

We needed to be better attacking wise but ultimately we did get a goal against them. Their tactic was to get a cheap goal against us and have 11 players consistently defending back.
That cheap goal came from a weakness that everyone knows about and is one of the main reasons we are going for a new CB this summer.

We got one goal, but created 2 chances...2 chances in 120 minutes. Of course we need to be better at attacking, it's not a one game issue, we always struggle against low blocks. We may be bailed out by a spark from our attackers now and then but we can't depend on that we need to develop a system that breaks the opponents block. We still haven't after 2 and a half years.

anyway, 2nd in the league and hopefully we can push on as a club and squad more - if not then Ole’s time is up but I can do it with a smile on my face because he has helped us improve and leave us in a better place than Saf, moyes, LVG and Mourinho all did.

Im assuming you made a mistake mentioning SAF there.

Leaving us in a better state? Well if he leaves now we can agree on that, but not because Ole would be leaving us in a great state but because Mourinho left this place on shambles. To match that toxicity would be quite something.

Difference between you and me is not that we disagree about Ole's ability, we both agree he's not good enough. Difference is that you accept that and are willing to waste another season under him just because while I don't want to throw away another season.

 

[Globule]

I couldn't bring myself to watch the CL final, but Pep would have had to do something disastrous to screw up more than Ole, who selected an XI then put his feet up and watched a European final for the next 90 minutes.

 

[elmo]

We lost by penalties- a 50/50 chance that even went to the goalkeepers taking a shot to have us lose. We ultimately drew that game when we shouldn’t have compared to Man City that didn’t score and lost outright to Chelsea in 90 mins- arguably when having all of their most important players available unlike us (Maguire).

Drawing to Villarreal is a worse result than losing to Chelsea.

It's this kind of results that summed up our season and ensured we were left with nothing.

 

[Bebestation]

Drawing to Villarreal is a worse result than losing to Chelsea.

It's this kind of results that summed up our season and ensured we were left with nothing.

City lost to a team that lost to Leicester City in a final. No injuries.

Its okay when Liverpool end up just popping their heads in to the top 4 when their main defender(s) are down. Our one and only top class defender goes down and we lost a goal from a set piece where everyone blames the combination of Lindelof Bailly and Shaw.

Anyway it doesn't really matter - whether what is worse or better doesnt matter; a sacking of a manager that was the 2nd best team in the English League isnt going to get sacked just yet.

Ps. I love how everybody dribbles and drools when Messi consistently scores against teams like Villareal and others in La Liga like they are some amazing team- but when an Engish team play against them they are some crap team that we should have thumped.