Go back to twitter.
You are not wrong. The ones who have been crawling out of their caves for the last 3 weeks are basically people who want us to lose and want to see Ole fail because they despise him. They were miserable for a good 2-3 months there when we were doing well but can finally have some joy now with us losing EL and Tuchel winning CL. They will be back here early next season hoping we get destroyed so Ole can be fired, will crawl back into their caves if we start off well (which I expect after a Summer off) and will be back in force when we are struggling. Same cycle all the time. It must be weird being a fan but despising a manager and deep inside wanting the club to fail miserably so he can be gone and you can be proven right.
We have finished in the top 4 2 years in a row in a quite comfortable fashion.
stop this glazer shills thing u keep repeating here, u r just trolling
You are welcome do defend Ole's progress. That's a reasonable position but that part is just not true. Come off it.
Unfortunately, I haven't looked that deeply into the Spanish League but was under the impression, that all competitors made the best from their somewhat hampered starting positions. I wouldn't be against Zidane, he surely has something going for him. It would be a bolt move by United, this sounds like something Woody would really go for but he is not going to take this decision. Lets see, where Zidane ends up next season, I would love for him to go somewhere out of Real Madrid to show, what he can do outside of the circus.
While I somewhat agree with the notion, I think we need to make sure, that our "moral highground" stance doesn't morph into some ignorant mumbling. Chelsea is successful despite that roundabout so just shrugging it away doesn't really make sense. They also didn't made too many excessive transfers to argue that they just spent the cash to make it work.
Ah come on, going for having a solid base in your team in the middle of the park certainly isn't a sign of being scared to lose. It may be a little conservative but certainly not the worst thing in the world. Our issue this year has been reliable chance creation and while Fred and McTominay certainly can be better in some aspects of our game, chance creation certainly shouldn't be their main job.
That is a very very shortsighted and expensive stance to have. The best football clubs have longrunning plans about how their squads should look like, how they want to play and what kind of players are therefor needed. Just imagine we have Greenwood on the cusp but then go out and buy another young forward just because he is the latest hot thing.
Even if that is true - the "fine margins" theory you proposed would then still apply, doesn't it? Even IF we 1 or 2 penalty kicks go differently and we get the cup, we still would have 120 min of not being able to beat Villareal on our table. We still would have a fair view number of unconvincing performances in the season on our table that were just pushed away by saying "game wasn't great but job done because the result is good". We still would have went out of the CL. Fine margins doesn't stop where it suits one's argument and therefor is some sort of doube edged sword.
I'm not sure myself if he's the man to get us back to winning big trophies but I believe he's got us one the right track again. I don't worry if he has to go I honestly believe he'll leave a very good team for the next manager and the club will be in a place to be successful. We have a crazy amount of talent coming through our youth ranks, Ole's done well to clear deadwood out the squad and he's signed some good players which I'm sure he'll continue to do this summer. For the first time since Sir Alex retired this feels like United again.
Thing with United is Ole needs the best players, which although we have spent a lot, it has not been spent wisely. If they are going to continue spending money but not on the right quality or positions then we need a manager who can get the best out of a hotch potch of players.
Yup. It’s such a strange way to support your club. In all honesty, I feel sorry for them. Do they get any enjoyment from the good days?
Maybe it would have been wiser to try and win the game in the 90 minutes and not bank on winning in what is a lottery.
I don’t think it is. I think it’s pretty clear that there are some on here that are so obsessed with getting rid of him that they would happily see us lose to get what they want.
Most people are furious we lost. I am sick we didn't win.
Exactly. Even if he was sacked today he would be leaving a team that with 3 good recruits would be pushing for titles. No other manager since Fergie has done that or even come close.
The part I said wasn't true was about Ole receiving very little backing.
When was this? We had faced them four times under Fergie and they were all group stage games.
Yes, we were banking on penalties. You’ve really torn apart everything I said with your laser focus analysis. Thank you for your service
Come on man, you have 50k posts, you know very well, that you can just turn your argument around and it would still work. The last few weeks we even had an exclusive mocking thread for people to laugh at posts from the MTD. You think that is better than "crawling out of their caves"? We also had people in here violating the rule "Attack the post, not the poster" last night, people have been called clueless just because they voice criticism. Don't act as if one side would be better than the other.
McFred are starting because we weren't able to integrate Oles 40m midfield signing though(and it is his signing, just like previous managers get shit for their bad ones). And our transfer plan now varies wildly compared to Chelsea and City so why compare? We are spending big sums on up and coming players while those two clubs are spending on the first team. Only long term time will tell if that's been a wise decision or not.
Pretty sure we had to beat them in a final group game to qualify for knock outs and only managed a draw. I might have that wrong though.
How does it dull my argument? Do you really think there isn’t a section of our support, albeit small, that would take losses to see him gone?
This is why I am not calling for his head even though I am convinced he's not the one. First of, we are not going to sack him this summer so there's no point calling for his head. Second, I think when we do realise he's not good enough, the next guy will have a decent team on his hands. Furthermore, I like the fact we have a football and technical director now. We won't have to reconstruct a new team every time we change coach. Get a decent coach that can improve what he has met, add to the team and of course compete for titles.
That section is probably too small to merit any kind of debate.
Did you watch VDB at Ajax? He's NOT a pivot midfielder he was more of a floating No10 and going from The Dutch League to the PL is a big step he was always going to take time. And I thought the consensus around here when we signed him was we needed someone better for the bench than Lingard/Pereira
I agree. I think he's done an okay job and has left the squad in a healthy state compared to previous managers. I think he should be given one more season to see what he can do, although if an opportunity for a better manager comes in, I certainly would not be unhappy seeing him moved on. Where I draw the line though is renewing his contract after next season. He's not done enough to warrant continuing his role. He's shown time and time again in his managerial tenure at United that he's not up to winning trophies and I don't think that will ever change.
Only twice I remember us being in that situation under Fergie and we got knocked out by Benfica and FC Basel. Was not Villarreal.
I don't even want us to sack him this summer cause all of the coaches I would have liked have been snapped up. I don't want Allegri, Conte or Zidane. Think they would be wrong for us. He also hasn't done badly enough for us to need an urgent change.
I just about agree. I might be a sterner critic than some in thinking we've performed to expectation in the league (overperformed in league position perhaps but points total and match day performance at expectation) and underperformed in cup competitions. Neither are drastic enough to sack him or to sign him up for a fatter, longer contract. If we're truly ambitious and want to start winning stuff again, we properly back him this summer and make a decision next summer (assuming the wheels don't completely fall off midseason). If we make the signings we should make this summer (Sancho, a real DM and a proper CB), a new manager will inherit a really strong, able squad anyway. If we don't, then it's hard to blame Ole for us not winning anything and we have to accept that the Glazers are the entirety of the problem.
thre is a very definite pattern of play shit for a few weeks and get shit results to playing ok for a few weeks and getting good results. The eventual champions can still find a way even when playing shite.
December 2018. We had just been completely embarrased at Anfield and were lucky to just have conceded 3.
My bad. It must have been Basel I was thinking off
If you have all the answers as you so arrogantly put down in the above post, why even participate on a forum? And the funny thing is that you predict they will be back in full force when we struggle, as in validating their rhetorics completely - the message being he is not up to standards.
Awful post.
Come on, it’s pretty clear that a large number of people on here are only animated when we are doing poorly these days. They only sing when we’re losing.
I agree, it is a low standard for United and simply not good enough in my opinion. Ole is basically doing a Lampard. We now need a manager that can take us a step further. With what's available I could only see Poch & Rogers available but many won't like Rogers because of the Liverpool link.
