Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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Saying that while you yourself writing a one liner
. I am here to express my self as a united fan, whether it is in a one liner a story full of bs, you have no right to prevent people from writing their opinions. Learn how to live with different opinions.We want accountability. When do we want it. NOW
Ah, an online bully, turn to mock posters to feel good about himself.
My post isn't about whether you think Ole is the man for the job or not. I don't think he is, but you do. Both opinions are valid. My post was about what you and the other user said in your post that fans are happy for United to lose so that can say #OleOut. People can want Ole out if that's their opinion and their justification has solid foundation. It's then a bit shitty to say these fans are waiting around for us to lose games so they can gloat.
Evolution my friend.
I have no problem with your opinion, its just that i noticed most of your posts in here is usually quoting anyone who says something like "Ole is a terrible manager he's totally clueless" with a reply like "haha this!"Saying that while you yourself writing a one liner
Yeah I also do not think you need to be in or out fully. A lot depend on the options. Thus there are managers I rather have than Ole and some I rather not have. Would I take Mourinho over Ole? No for me. Conte, Zidane probably yes.
I said all what I wanted to say early in the season and last season, I do not think It needs more clarification from my side. At the moment I am enjoying many posters are coming to the conclusion that few had a year ago about Ole and were bullied here because of it. After all it does not matter what I write because people entitled to write their opinions as long as they do not insult others and make the posts personal like @TheReligion did above.
Who's apologising for anything? Not sure why you're trying to project what you're thinking on to my post
Very dramatic stuff! You've not been bullied by anyone. I've never met you. I've likely said you've posted shite at some point but nothing that warranted your meltdown the other night when the mods had to settle you down.
You're fragility is endearing. Life goes beyond the Caf.
The post he replied to wasn't anything close to that. It was a very good one that deserved to be highlighted
Just because there’s additional context that makes it easier to give Klopp the benefit of the doubt doesn’t dismiss the fact that Ole’s had us on a good trajectory. Your snarky reply about Ole being the best ever is well worth an eye-roll. Polarising nonsense.
Stop it. You can hurt feelings of all haters and their agenda to get rid of a manager under who we are progressing.
These kind of stats is not ok, according to them.
Highest Goals Per Game ratio since Sir Alex retired. We've done alright this season. Biggest problem this season has been that GA column. That has to be fixed if we want to actually win something next season.
Season | Games | GF | GA | Goals Per Game |
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20-21 | 61 | 121 | 68 | 2.0 |
19-20 | 61 | 112 | 51 | 1.8 |
18-19 | 53 | 85 | 70 | 1.6 |
17-18 | 56 | 101 | 40 | 1.8 |
16-17 | 64 | 105 | 46 | 1.6 |
15-16 | 59 | 87 | 54 | 1.5 |
14-15 | 44 | 71 | 44 | 1.6 |
13-14 | 55 | 94 | 57 | 1.7 |
12-13 | 54 | 114 | 65 | 2.1 |
11-12 | 54 | 120 | 56 | 2.2 |
It's simply stupid. There's zero context to take from it and it's been done to death. Just because other managers struggled in the past too it doesn't mean Ole will turn out the next Klopp. And for the record: Pool's football improved almost immediately. Klopp brought a high pressing and high energy game to them that made their football very entertaining. Plus he had a great record at Dortmund that justified patience.
Thanks for posting. GF the best it's been in a decade!
If we see ourselves as an elite club that is underperforming, Ole shouldn't really be here next season, he probably should have never got the job to be honest. If we see ourselves as a top club that looking to become elite like Tottenham, Arsenal or Liverpool pre-Klopp, then on paper, Ole is indeed progressing. He has done best he could and brought some value but he will always be lacking too much compared to elite coaches in Europe.
Should send roses to Hasenhüttl and Bielsa
Two coaches who are better than Ole by the way
I mean if winning 9-0 against a 10 man Soton team doesn't prove otherwise what ever will right?
You could go the other way and say "we couldn't break that 10 men behind the ball that they've had" but we did break them.
I agree about fine margins when you lose in a final, but it's not fine margins when you get kicked out in group stage.
Is not about one trophy, it's about the results and way Tuchel has made Chelsea play, they dominated Real Madrid in both legs and City on the final. Why? Not because they had more talent on the porch but because Tuchel beat both Zidane and Pep on tactics.
We're seeing a team that punches above their weight, they're a wall defensively. Do they have the best anything at the back? No, they're a well coached team in just 5 months. That's it.
And by no means we were close to an excellent season, winning the EL doesn't hold much weight but losing it does. It's ridiculous.
Also praising Pep "internationally" because he has 2 UCLs? But denying Tuchel because he only has one?
It doesn’t mean he’s the next Klopp, but it should make people a pause a bit when talking about it just not being good enough.
And we are definitely more entertaining than under Mou and LvG. I have a hard time buying the sincerity of those who claim otherwise.
Tell that to your self, you become irritabel and start mocking posters and posting personal attacks as soon as one criticize the manager (a person who in the first place does not know about your existence). Opinions I tolerate, idiotic personal mockery is nothing I would let go by. If you don't have the level needed to respect other opinions, then you should not be here.
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You think I become irritated. I don't.
You think I'm unwilling to criticise Ole. I'm not and I have.
Basically you don't know much.
Agree. He has done everything he can, and that is not enough at a club in our size. The minimal yearly progress is nothing to gloat about with the enormous resources at disposal. At the end, fans wants trophies delivered and do not care that much about the stats of goal/game ratio if the end result is 0 major trophy. If we are accepting the loevel to be a Spurs-like club, then fine, he can stay. Otherwise, we will not be back at the top among the biggest in Europe.
My point is that some people tend to judge managers based on which way the wind blows.
Klopp was Messias last year and was very close from being a clown this year. Tuchel was a clown in PSG and now is a Messias. The same can be said about Posch.
Some people say Ole is a clown because we lost the final, but would’ve been praised if we had won.
Pep is the only manager who has avoided the clown stamp, mostly because he doesn’t choose clubs with mission failure potential. He is off course one of the best managers out there, but he has also played his cards very well or safe.
If Pep example took over after Jose it would’ve been a huge risk for him, and I’m also sure he would have received the clown stamp a couple of times.
Unfortunately people often jump to easy conclusions, and very often it’s black or white.
Yh I honestly think there needs to be some kind of quality control - it is a ludicrous comparison. Some fans think SAF took over some top of the league club and don’t even know about his European record…
And you know this for a fact, because you were hiding under the table during the discussion, yeah?
Nevermind Ole himself said they had watched VDB for a while before opting to sign him. No no, you know more.
Give off. Seriously.
Klopp had a shitty year, and still finished really close to us. What does that tells us? They even progressed further than us in the UCL.
How was Tuchel a clown after winning the french league and losing the UCL final by just one goal against an espectacular Bayern team? Nonsense.
I think mentioning which final is an important detail, he lost the EUROPA LEAGUE final ffs, he lost against a much lesser team and we lost because he shit the bed, lost in a competition we were only in because he fecked un in UCL group stage.
Thing is that Pep gets criticized for losing a UCL final after winning a the league and league cup. Ole is not even on the same bracket. We discuss about him because he's our manager but around the world he's a nobody, seen as another Pirlo a guy without credentials failing at a club. People make fun of us, it's embarrassing to keep saying it's a process it takes time when we are clearly betting on the wrong horse.
This is not a Nagelsmann case a young revolutionary manager that may or not may be the next big thing, this is a manager that's been around for over 10 years without showing any proof of being anything special. It's ridiculous.
Fair enough, didn't do my research obviously but, with all due respect to Norwegian league and football in general don't think we can compare his success with Molde with what Klopp did at Dortmund.
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First, false equivalency. You can't compare Fergie with Ole - and people really need to stop doing this (and Ole with Klopp too). Fergie had won stuff by that point, and he was clearly rebuilding, with a very young team relying on Rooney (who got sent off Villareal away in an act of petulance), and a very inconsistent Ronaldo.
Second, they didn't knock us out; all our games against them prior to the EL final have ended 0-0. We had a nightmare game in Portugal against Benfica. A truly horrid night when Ronaldo and the whole team really played like shit and couldn't string two passes together. That's what did us in the end.
Third, it shouldn't have come to penalties for the EL final. Seriously, how can you wait 100 minutes to make a change when your opponent has already made five subs, replacing half his outfield! Solskjaer harps on about fine margins, what about accounting for the most obvious one in tiredness?
Me and many others! And that's the problem.
And, really, one of the best performances? Did you watch that game? Just because we won an unlikely game doesn't make it a good performance.
We got lucky. PSG are bottlers, and their young RB Kehrer had a nightmare, as did Buffon spilling that Rashford shot he should have easily held. Not to mention the pen.
Win a game and we lucky lose a game and ole is shit. It’s boring honestly we are moving in the right direction and better than we was with Jose and LVG so let’s support the team, buy some good players and get on with it
Reductive. I didn't say every game we win is because of luck, and every game we lose is because Ole is shit. That's a strawman you've built there.
Why don't you address the specific criticisms I had about that game? The legitimate reasons I gave for why that performance, despite the result, was not good? Because that's the root of all my issues with this manager.
What is 'moving in the right direction'? No trophies in four years? Finishing just 5 points ahead of a Liverpool side who had a shocking season and will surely do better next year? Our points total of 74 would have had us third in 2019/20 and 2018/19, fifth in 2017/18 and sixth in 2016/17. For obvious reasons, it's been a strange league this season. And Mourinho, the guy Solskjaer replaced, remains the manager with the highest points tally post-Fergie. That's progress?
Well I don't know what do you expect? I already explained that, with our high ego/low effort players and our terrible board, I don't think Tuchell or Rodger or Poc can do well. All of them have trouble with the exact kind of players: Poc got kicked away from Tottenham, Tuchell got sacked and failed to win UCL at PSG etc. The current Chelsea team are much much more professional and hard working in my opinion. Also all of Ole's signing is the hard working type so I trust him with the rebuilding process. It's that simple.
We need a Salah. He and TAA has bailed him out time and time again.
Yeah, obviously it’s a different kettle of fish. I’d say breaking that duck for a club is a solid feat, nonetheless, and Ole’s Molde had some good nights against superior opponents in the EL as well.
Did you not watch that specific game though? Our first goal, a misshit back pass from the defender that left Lukaku 1v1, the second goal was an uncharacteristic spill from Buffon that dropped it right into our lap, the third was a penalty. PSG were all over us that match and we barely did anything of note, fortunately we came out with the win but of all the matches to defend Ole on, i can't agree that this is the one.
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