Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed

Status
Not open for further replies.

croadyman

Full Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2018
Messages
35,177
Sure, agreed on effective. And I don't think it's a problem to have quality in depth, it's of course much needed. I just think if it ends up being Greenwood and Sancho for the right wing, and Martial still slugging it out with Cavani for the spot up top, Amad will miss out on the playing time he definitely will need. So hopefully, if Sancho ends up coming, Greenwood will be deployed as a striker, with Amad getting minutes when Sancho is rested.

I'm in the same boat when it comes to the positions that need fixing, but then I look at our midfield and compare it to any great team now or before, and it's as clear as day that we need two midfielders. I think I'd go for a new midfield with passing ability and technical competence over any other position at the moment, even though we seriously need a centre back and another attacking player on the right.

Pogba doesn't fit there, Bruno won't fit there, Donny doesn't suit Ole's style at all, and McTominay and Fred are just way too limited to be first XI players in a side that dominates (and opens up defenses, playing at a high tempo).
Yeah I would like us to rebuild the midfield as well but can't see ole signing a DM let alone a CM as well this summer even though like you say McTominay & Fred should really be squad players to offer rotation with the first choices
 

hubbuh

New Member
Joined
Jun 29, 2010
Messages
6,110
Location
UK, hun?
£80/90m is a fat wedge. Given that he's extremely well regarded, already put up good numbers and the fact he could feasibly be here for the next 10+ years means it's a goer. Get it going Wood + Murtough
 

Mylock

Full Member
Joined
Jan 4, 2011
Messages
668
I'm still not convinced that Sancho is an urgent requirement. There is no doubt he's a great player who would improve us no end. But if we have a limited budget, we need to 1st sign a DM and a CH rather than sign an RW. These are the two most important roles that need filling. Otherwise, we will be no better than this season. We need the spine of the team to be strong and move on from there.
 

marktan

Full Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2017
Messages
6,974
I'm still not convinced that Sancho is an urgent requirement. There is no doubt he's a great player who would improve us no end. But if we have a limited budget, we need to 1st sign a DM and a CH rather than sign an RW. These are the two most important roles that need filling. Otherwise, we will be no better than this season. We need the spine of the team to be strong and move on from there.
Nah we definitely do need a wide forward, we drop too many points against teams that sit back, versus teams that attack us. Neither Rashford or Greenwood are natural wide forwards, neither have great dribbling ability. They've grown in their roles but our options there are weaker when compared to the likes of City, Chelsea and Liverpool.

The question is though whether Sancho's the attacker we need to sign at the quoted prices, because as you say we do also need a DM badly, and many would also like a CB (though personally I think an attacking RB is a bigger priority). If we spend £90m on one player, we probably won't be signing many more.
 

bosnian_red

Worst scout to ever exist
Joined
Aug 13, 2011
Messages
58,191
Location
Canada
Neither Rashford or Greenwood are natural wide forwards, neither have great dribbling ability.
Rashford is definitely a natural wide forward with great dribbling ability, it's just you have to balance out the attack. We can't have 2 wide forwards flanking a classic #9 and a second striker basically in behind. We need a creative wide player on one side opposite to the wide forward to balance out the attack and Sancho would definitely bring that.
 

Giggsy13

Full Member
Joined
Aug 27, 2016
Messages
4,374
Location
Toronto
Ah good. Chelsea being interested in Haaland is yet another excuse to embark in everyone’s favourite hobby: bash United.
To be fair, we are run and owned by a bunch of pricks, so it should be no surprise that negative news will elicit negative reactions by our supporters.
 
Last edited:

Mickeza

still gets no respect
Joined
Aug 21, 2012
Messages
14,121
Location
Deepthroating information to Howard Nurse.
Do you not feel the people running the club deserve it?

Objectively they do a terrible job of it.
My first thought upon hearing Chelsea May spend 175m on a single player isn’t to slate Manchester United. It’s a bit odd that it would be anyone’s to be honest - let alone a journalist. My first thought was actually how incredibly broken the game is and how anyone who thinks this is remotely sustainable is living with fingers in their ears.
 

pass.pass.pass

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 13, 2020
Messages
180
My first thought upon hearing Chelsea May spend 175m on a single player isn’t to slate Manchester United. It’s a bit odd that it would be anyone’s to be honest - let alone a journalist. My first thought was actually how incredibly broken the game is and how anyone who thinks this is remotely sustainable is living with fingers in their ears.
It is sustainable gor a select group of clubs like Chelsea, City, PSG etc. because of two simple reasons.
1. They are funded by rich, passionate owners.
2. FFP is toothless and usually has its punishments overturned.

I remember how in 2005 there used to be jibes made at Chelsea that Roman would get bored and leave. Well, he's still around after muiltiple league and champions league titles and continues to show the kind of ambition that the plebs at United find embarrassingly romantic.

Yes, the game is broken of course but has been for a long while.
 

marktan

Full Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2017
Messages
6,974
Rashford is definitely a natural wide forward with great dribbling ability, it's just you have to balance out the attack. We can't have 2 wide forwards flanking a classic #9 and a second striker basically in behind. We need a creative wide player on one side opposite to the wide forward to balance out the attack and Sancho would definitely bring that.
Did you watch the Europa League final? Didn't beat his man once. He's fast but he's nowhere near being a natural dribbler, especially on the left where if he doesn't cut in into his right he can't do anything. If anything he looks better dribbling on the right because he can zig zag both ways with his right foot.

Also this idea of needing a passer and a runner on the flanks really has no basis in anything. Look at Mane and Salah. Ronaldo and Nani. Ronaldo and Bale. All strong dribblers and finishers.

Rashford's attributes are runs in behind, finishing, and a strong passing range. Rarely dribbles past a low block. Sancho's attributes are great passing, one twos, close control, good finishing. Doesn't often dribble past men in a low block. It may somehow end up working but more likely is it'll be a continuation of what we already see against low blocks - a lot of passing sideways and backwards.
 

Sting

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Apr 30, 2021
Messages
62
United should focus on other positions and shipping off the deadwood in the squad. This signing isn’t the most urgent plus it’s not like there is a bidding war to sign him. We should just wait till next summer and sign him for cheaper, imo.
 

DJ_21

Evens winner of 'Odds or Evens 2022/2023'
Joined
Aug 31, 2015
Messages
12,780
Location
Manchester
Say we agree a fee with Dortmund while sancho is on international dutie but then he picks up a bad injury what would happen then?
 

macheda14

Full Member
Joined
May 22, 2009
Messages
4,658
Location
London
Did you watch the Europa League final? Didn't beat his man once. He's fast but he's nowhere near being a natural dribbler, especially on the left where if he doesn't cut in into his right he can't do anything. If anything he looks better dribbling on the right because he can zig zag both ways with his right foot.

Also this idea of needing a passer and a runner on the flanks really has no basis in anything. Look at Mane and Salah. Ronaldo and Nani. Ronaldo and Bale. All strong dribblers and finishers.

Rashford's attributes are runs in behind, finishing, and a strong passing range. Rarely dribbles past a low block. Sancho's attributes are great passing, one twos, close control, good finishing. Doesn't often dribble past men in a low block. It may somehow end up working but more likely is it'll be a continuation of what we already see against low blocks - a lot of passing sideways and backwards.
He went on that quite incredible run where he beat like two men. He does have the ability to dribble past men in low blocks and has done it quite often in his career. He just has terrible decision making where when he gets past one or even two he then doesn’t pass and tries too much.
 

tenpoless

No 6-pack, just 2Pac
Joined
Oct 20, 2014
Messages
16,464
Location
Ole's ipad
Supports
4-4-2 classic
If I have to pick between him and Marry Kane i'd pick him anyday. Problem is we'll be skint after signing any of them.
 

UncleBob

New Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2014
Messages
6,330
He went on that quite incredible run where he beat like two men. He does have the ability to dribble past men in low blocks and has done it quite often in his career. He just has terrible decision making where when he gets past one or even two he then doesn’t pass and tries too much.
:lol: :lol:
 

McGrathsipan

Dawn’s less famous husband
Joined
Jun 25, 2009
Messages
24,783
Location
Dublin
Say we agree a fee with Dortmund while sancho is on international dutie but then he picks up a bad injury what would happen then?
I would expect the contracts cover this.
Deal in principle before Euros then sign after it

IF it happens at all. I still have my doubts. This thread ans the whole situation is identical to last year. I'll only believe it when I see it.
 

RedRonaldo

Wishes to be oppressed.
Joined
Aug 17, 2003
Messages
18,996
What are these lasts tweets about the £80 million plus add-on?
Last summer the price for Sancho was £103 million.
Now they are talking about £80m PLUS add-ons....
So if the add-ons will be around £10-15 million, then the price hasn't really dropped? How that can be? :)
Sancho is currently quoted at around 85m pounds by Dortmund. So perhaps we are trying our best to negotiate a 80m plus 5m add-on deal?
 

Hansi Fick

New Member
Joined
Oct 16, 2020
Messages
5,057
Supports
FC Bayern
A flurry of exciting tweets to come today, I feel it in my bones.
Jan-Aage Fjorthoft will have something to say for sure, and then maybe Christian Falk will even tell us about its epistemological status.
 

Leonzo1

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jul 25, 2019
Messages
946
I'm really not sure Sancho is the missing piece for us, feels like we still need a clinical goalscorer rather then a wide forward. Kane gets us the title. Haaland gets us the title. Does Sancho gets us the title?
 

MichaelRed

Full Member
Joined
May 18, 2015
Messages
1,649
I'm really not sure Sancho is the missing piece for us, feels like we still need a clinical goalscorer rather then a wide forward. Kane gets us the title. Haaland gets us the title. Does Sancho gets us the title?
You're delusional if you think either of Kane or Haaland get us the title. Kane, Haaland AND Ronaldo wouldn't get us the title because our midfield and defence is dead, we create minimal chances for our number 9 and we leak goals at every set piece and crossing opportunity.
 
Joined
May 22, 2017
Messages
13,122
Jan-Aage Fjorthoft will have something to say for sure, and then maybe Christian Falk will even tell us about its epistemological status.
JAF knows less than most on the Caf, which is not a lot.

I’m waiting for the virtual fellatio of Zorc to come from his supporters…
 

Judas

Open to offers
Joined
Jun 28, 2010
Messages
36,296
Location
Where the grass is greener.
So many of the game we fecked up last season, Haaland would have literally made zero difference in. But that obvious sense makes no difference to a certain set on here.
 

Classical Mechanic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2014
Messages
35,216
Location
xG Zombie Nation
People put too much stock into international performances. Look at how they perform at club level on a regular basis. Sergio Aguero's international record is a lot more modest than his club record but I don't think that anyone would hold that against him when judging his ability.
 

r3idy

Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018
Joined
Jul 7, 2012
Messages
1,321
Location
Near Old Trafford
I'm still not convinced that Sancho is an urgent requirement. There is no doubt he's a great player who would improve us no end. But if we have a limited budget, we need to 1st sign a DM and a CH rather than sign an RW. These are the two most important roles that need filling. Otherwise, we will be no better than this season. We need the spine of the team to be strong and move on from there.
Respectfully disagree with this

Sancho is an Elite level creator who we are desperate for. It maybe in this thread much earlier but one of the forums esteemed members who does great work and in depth analysis on how he would vastly improve our team and the areas he would improve. The guy is not just a 'winger' and he is the right kind of player we need.

Agree we need a DM but maybe the long term view is that it's money wasted if Jimmy Garner's development continues on same trajectory and he could be first team ready within the next 12 months.
 

VinzentFTW

New Member
Newbie
Joined
May 28, 2021
Messages
814
Supports
Liverpool
You're delusional if you think either of Kane or Haaland get us the title. Kane, Haaland AND Ronaldo wouldn't get us the title because our midfield and defence is dead, we create minimal chances for our number 9 and we leak goals at every set piece and crossing opportunity.
If we get a quality CM and CB, then a Kane or a Haaland would probably get ut the title instead of Sancho.
Not that i believe this will happend though.
 
Last edited:

romufc

Full Member
Joined
Apr 30, 2019
Messages
12,559
I'm still not convinced that Sancho is an urgent requirement. There is no doubt he's a great player who would improve us no end. But if we have a limited budget, we need to 1st sign a DM and a CH rather than sign an RW. These are the two most important roles that need filling. Otherwise, we will be no better than this season. We need the spine of the team to be strong and move on from there.
We played alot of games last season with James and Mata on the wings, we cannot afford to go into another season with no out and out RW.

The reason Rashford has had to play so many games, we don't have another winger with pace and output, getting sancho means we can rotate whilst not losing quality.
 

Mylock

Full Member
Joined
Jan 4, 2011
Messages
668
Respectfully disagree with this

Sancho is an Elite level creator who we are desperate for. It maybe in this thread much earlier but one of the forums esteemed members who does great work and in depth analysis on how he would vastly improve our team and the areas he would improve. The guy is not just a 'winger' and he is the right kind of player we need.

Agree we need a DM, but maybe the long term view is that its money wasted if Jimmy Garner's development continues on the same trajectory, and he could be a first team ready within the next 12 months.
I agree that he would be a great signing that would help in the flow of our forward line, but if we don't sort out the midfield and defence, it would be for little progress.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.