Don't get me wrong, it's enough to send me to tears, and it has done.I disagree.
Seeing hundreds and hundreds of people all take part in something spontaneously that shows both the communal nature of football and the understanding that life is so much more important than a game that sometimes takes centre stage over more important issues is beautiful and actually made me feel quite emotional. Football does not do that often.
I kinda suspected that was the case. Poor fella.The manager also revealed that Simon Kjær, the captain asked to be subbed off as he couldn’t handle the situation.
No idea. I’m sure you can find some priced online. Several hundred quid anyway.Cool. Any idea of a unit costs for one of these ?
I do not really get what you are saying.Don't get me wrong, it's enough to send me to tears, and it has done.
But my point is it shouldn't take that situation for a crowd to interact in that manner,
It's only touching because we are not used to seeing two opposing crowds perform in that manner. .
It's more than a coincidence in my opinion.Someone mentioned it earlier and yeah it’s odd. I’d say it’s just a coincidence but still odd.
He was great too. Him and Schmeichel were really switched on with what was going on.I kinda suspected that was the case. Poor fella.
Go on..It's more than a coincidence in my opinion.
Real stand up guys.He was great too. Him and Schmeichel were really switched on with what was going on.
Without wanting to be another person being condescending towards you, if you are a physician then you should know that witnessing trauma at early ages can have a detrimental affect on them considering not only are they physically growing ,but their brain also which is why they should be protected from certain things in life.Yeah sure, instead of gatekeeping me, maybe you could just ignore it and move on, or maybe give some constructive input as to why you disagree with me. Also i had parents don't forget and weve talked about this issues. And im a physician who work with very sick kids also. None of that is the same as having my own kids, also im not pretending to tell internet stragers how to raise kids at all. Just an opinion
Jesus Christ.I do not really get what you are saying.
Tragic moments and extremely worrying moments happen in all walks of life. When people band together in those moments regardless of differences or competitions that are ultimately unimportant it is very touching.
Around 1300 eur. Seems very reasonable for something that is literally life saving.No idea. I’m sure you can find some priced online. Several hundred quid anyway.
Apparent he was the first person to realise Eriksen didn’t have a pulse, clear his airway and start CPR. Literally saved his life. What a hero.The manager also revealed that Simon Kjær, the captain asked to be subbed off as he couldn’t handle the situation.
The head of cardiology at Rigshospitalet, where Eriksen is under treatment gave an interview. He said he isn’t aware of the case particulars yet as a different team of doctors is working on it but he thinks it could either be a blood clot in the heart or an arrhythmia. Apparently there’s chest pain if it’s a clot but there’s no warning at all for an arrhythmia so he suspects the latter.
Somehow he seems quite confident that Eriksen can return to football. However he said he’ll be in hospital for a while to run tests for all kinds of rare abnormalities.
Superb composure. Everyone else was in bits but those two epitomised leadership.Real stand up guys.
Seems quite a strong reaction to just quoting your own view, one which you doubled down on despite it being so harsh on such a sensitive subject. And relevant given the discussion at the time was broadly around the notion that we don't know what happened so maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions, particularly ones that are so dismissive of people who've just saved a life. The additional poke, sure, I get the frustration...but you should know it was frustrating for me and many others to read people shitting on the medics in that particular moment, in that particular context, but you didn't care a bit then. That's kind of the point, if you don't like it going the other way, maybe be more considerate when you're throwing it out there in the first place.You're a snake of the highest order
I've been to a load of international games and crowds are not usually particularly hostile in those games?Jesus Christ.
My point is usually a crowd is hostile or less than friendly to each other,
It takes someone nearly losing their fecking life for them to come together.
Shouldn't be like that.
That's what I read too although other posters seem to be suggesting differently. @BrwnedApparent he was the first person to realise Eriksen didn’t have a pulse, clear his airway and start CPR. Literally saved his life. What a hero.
Anthropology and ancient literature would suggest that “tribal gatherings” usually lose their hostile aim when something tragic and unexpected happens, exactly like the sudden “death” of one of the heroes… Using “ “ both for sensitivity and, luckily, only projected events here, with football in 2021… it still stands that tragedy is pretty much removed from contemporary narratives, especially over our Western shores.Jesus Christ.
My point is usually a crowd is hostile or less than friendly to each other,
It takes someone nearly losing their fecking life for them to come together.
Shouldn't be like that.
I think it took too long to start CPR and took too long for the medics to get over. If Simon Kjaer was infact the first person who picked up on it, cleared his airway and got CPR going then that further supports my view that the team doc/physio didn't respond quickly enough or acknowledge the severity of the situation.Seems quite a strong reaction to just quoting your own view, one which you doubled down on despite it being so harsh on such a sensitive subject. And relevant given the discussion at the time was broadly around the notion that we don't know what happened so maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions, particularly ones that are so dismissive of people who've just saved a life. The additional poke, sure, I get the frustration...but you should know it was frustrating for me and many others to read people shitting on the medics in that particular moment, in that particular context, but you didn't care a bit then. That's kind of the point, if you don't like it going the other way, maybe be more considerate when you're throwing it out there in the first place.
I feel this is an excellent suggestion.I think it took too long to start CPR and took too long for the medics to get over. If Simon Kjaer was infact the first person who picked up on it, cleared his airway and got CPR going then that further supports my view that the team doc/physio didn't respond quickly enough or acknowledge the severity of the situation.
I think there's plenty that can be learnt from this situation along with having medical staff at opposite sides of the pitch with defibrillators as opposed to having to basically get them scamper from side to side during emergency situations.
That is some heavy stuff..Yeah it was gut wrenching stuff.
Hard to not getting emotional watching thatYep it was horrible to see. His partner on the pitch in shock not being able to go to him.
Nah, you just can’t deploy or even have such an amount of resources for any public event everywhere. Eriksen was just lucky to have his life-defining event happening under the eyes of many millions people, in an extremely well provided environment. Any park while running alone in the morning, he would have pretty surely lost his life.I think there's plenty that can be learnt from this situation along with having medical staff at opposite sides of the pitch with defibrillators as opposed to having to basically get them scamper from side to side during emergency situations.
I agreed with you at the time that there may be things that can be learned from this and there may have been imperfections in the process. That's not something people would've picked up on, other than the fact you're absolutely certain these things didn't happen the way they should have, while others were just acknowledging that we have very limited information, we don't know what was communicated, to whom and when, and we don't know how the situation developed. We still don't know that as we're working off piecemeal information which makes it difficult to assess things...which also may apply to the people trying to assess the situation on the pitch.I think it took too long to start CPR and took too long for the medics to get over. If Simon Kjaer was infact the first person who picked up on it, cleared his airway and got CPR going then that further supports my view that the team doc/physio didn't respond quickly enough or acknowledge the severity of the situation.
I think there's plenty that can be learnt from this situation along with having medical staff at opposite sides of the pitch with defibrillators as opposed to having to basically get them scamper from side to side during emergency situations.
I could, and have, got a defib in the middle of Manchester City centre in a matter of minutes. They are everywhere in the UK now.Nah, you just can’t deploy or even have such an amount of resources for any public event everywhere. Eriksen was just lucky to have his life-defining event happening under the eyes of many millions people, in an extremely well provided environment. Any park while running alone in the morning, he would have pretty surely lost his life.
Depending on where you are and what you are using it for, there may be grants or other funding opportunities to buy them. In the US, I was able to get one for my local government agency a few years ago for free thanks to grants from the manufacturer. I'm not sure what the situation is elsewhere.Around 1300 eur. Seems very reasonable for something that is literally life saving.
They were in tears as they came back out for the game, and the intensity that was evident prior to the incident had visibly disappeared from Denmark's game. Yes we don't know exactly what they were feeling and what they truly wanted to do but we know they were all going through something extremely traumatic in that moment and it felt, at least to me, a bit callous to make them come out and finish the game.Yeah. Maybe UEFA should cancel the tournament and give the trophy to denmark already. Also rename the tournament maybe? The eriksen coup
They're adults. They're professionals. They were given the choice to play tomorrow, and you're not taking into account that maybe for them it was the best for them to go on with the match and move on. Sometimes that's the best thing to do after a stressful situation like this. It sucks but we can't know what was going on in the dressing room. Maybe they were motivated by eriksens call. Who knows
You're entitled to your opinion as I am mine. I'm delighted Eriksen has survived and kudos to those who helped save his life and performed CPR. It's a very powerful and emotional thing to have to do.I agreed with you at the time that there may be things that can be learned from this and there may have been imperfections in the process. That's not something people would've picked up on, other than the fact you're absolutely certain these things didn't happen the way they should have, while others were just acknowledging that we have very limited information, we don't know what was communicated, to whom and when, and we don't know how the situation developed. We still don't know that as we're working off piecemeal information which makes it difficult to assess things...which also may apply to the people trying to assess the situation on the pitch. Here is one of the staff members talking about the situation as it developed, from his perspective:
The point that was inflammatory was that not only were you certain that x, y and z went wrong, despite having so little information available, you were happy to describe it as "piss poor". On an emotive subject you should expect that to stick. Especially when you have medical experts in here saying he's lucky to be alive, that the team response was miraculous on the whole, etc. If you contrast your words against those, you should be able to understand why that might've been a little...difficult for some people to read.
We’ve surely come a long way in terms of handling events on pitch like concussions and head injuries as medics are rushed on immediately. Compare that to even 2014 when mourinho was having a go at Carneiro for going onto the pitch when a player went down.You're entitled to your opinion as I am mine. I'm delighted Eriksen has survived and kudos to those who helped save his life and performed CPR. It's a very powerful and emotional thing to have to do.
I think there will be a debrief with the staff and medics and plenty of future learning highlighted. Sorry you didn't like the word "piss poor" but I was equally frustrated at what I was seeing whilst sat at home.
What do you mean? Should we have a medical staff with equipment in the center circle so they can get there immediately?I could, and have, got a defib in the middle of Manchester City centre in a matter of minutes. They are everywhere in the UK now.
I just fail to see why we are having medical staff being shouted on by goalkeepers and then having to run across the full length of pitches dragging equipment in this day and age. Things need to sharpen up in my opinion.
Absolutely mate. I dont disagree with that at all. Im just saying parents can't control everything their kids are exposed to. Thats an illusion. For example today, a harmless football match, they ended up showing a poor guy going cardiac arrest. Better to be there, support and educate your kid about what was just shown on tv. I don't think my parents ever tried to put me in a happy bubble as a kid and i appreciate that. I loved that my dad always explained everything that scared me since i was very young. He didnt put me through horror movies marathons or anything like that. He was the coolest guy with his children ever.Without wanting to be another person being condescending towards you, if you are a physician then you should know that witnessing trauma at early ages can have a detrimental affect on them considering not only are they physically growing ,but their brain also which is why they should be protected from certain things in life.
How would the players get around them without causing a collision? This is a ridiculous idea although I'm sure well meant.What do you mean? Should we have a medical staff with equipment in the center circle so they can get there immediately?
Ok, excellent. Did they take less than 2 minutes before getting to their patient, though? It seems as good as you can reasonably get. Running and collapsing in the nearby park, it would have taken 10-15 minutes at best, only and if some kind runner / stranger alerts the medics instead of running by, brainless, into his own earpods.I could, and have, got a defib in the middle of Manchester City centre in a matter of minutes. They are everywhere in the UK now.
I just fail to see why we are having medical staff being shouted on by goalkeepers and then having to run across the full length of pitches dragging equipment in this day and age. Things need to sharpen up in my opinion.
I was joking obviously. I don’t get why it’s a problem that staff had to run there with the equipment. Is there an other way? Only if you have the equipment on the pitch. Which is ridiculous as you said.How would the players get around them without causing a collision? This is a ridiculous idea although I'm sure well meant.
Sure. After reading some others comments on this, i might take back what i said about this. Probably i was being a bit harshThey were in tears as they came back out for the game, and the intensity that was evident prior to the incident had visibly disappeared from Denmark's game. Yes we don't know exactly what they were feeling and what they truly wanted to do but we know they were all going through something extremely traumatic in that moment and it felt, at least to me, a bit callous to make them come out and finish the game.
I think that you are probably right to suggest that there should be more proactivity with regards to how to deal with this type of crisis and making sure everyone is available, but I do think that this quote from the Danish team doctor is germane:You're entitled to your opinion as I am mine. I'm delighted Eriksen has survived and kudos to those who helped save his life and performed CPR. It's a very powerful and emotional thing to have to do.
I think there will be a debrief with the staff and medics and plenty of future learning highlighted. Sorry you didn't like the word "piss poor" but I was equally frustrated at what I was seeing whilst sat at home.
You are spot on. Timing is absolutely everything - early CPR and early defibrillation is key. Reports say he had a pulse when medics arrived but lost it shortly thereafter, so the time to CPR after pulselessness was only a few seconds (ie, including not having to run across the field).Timing is absolutely essential right ? Usually a regular person would wait 15-20 mins for EMT, I presume the outcome after such a period is rather pessimistic.
Its kind of sad how few people in the world can rely on such first class care. Professional athletes during competitive events, people that work in medical institution buildings, heads of state (and not in every country). I know in some office buildings there are defibrillators on each floor, however how many people there are actually trained and collected enough to use it properly...
The machine gives you instructions including telling you when to "clear (not touch)" the patient as it administers a 200 Joule shockI was wondering about that, you also need to provide CPR in between the shocks , correct? How is it synchronised with the automatic operation? Does it give you instructions / counts?
The national team doctor, Morten Boesen, told the media that Eriksen was breathing and had a pulse when he reached him. But that changed in less than a minute, and that's when they started CPR. I don't think they could've acted any faster.I think it took too long to start CPR and took too long for the medics to get over. If Simon Kjaer was infact the first person who picked up on it, cleared his airway and got CPR going then that further supports my view that the team doc/physio didn't respond quickly enough or acknowledge the severity of the situation.
I think there's plenty that can be learnt from this situation along with having medical staff at opposite sides of the pitch with defibrillators as opposed to having to basically get them scamper from side to side during emergency situations.
I know, not saying it was right. Just that earlier comments in response to people who hadnt viewed the game asking questions were givign the impression the cameras were showing more than they did.But once the CPR was visible through the players' legs, they should've all cut to studio. The fact that they later showed Erikson twitch from the defibrillator is disgusting. UEFA control the feed, but all of the broadcasters could've switched to studio to discuss the situation.
That interview is really clarifying on what happened. It makes a lot of sense to me and i thing everything was handled correctly. Happily, the result of that is that Eriksen is alive nowI think that you are probably right to suggest that there should be more proactivity with regards to how to deal with this type of crisis and making sure everyone is available, but I do think that this quote from the Danish team doctor is germane:
“I didn’t see it myself but it was pretty clear that he was unconscious,” he said. “When I get to him he is on his side. He is breathing and I can feel his pulse but suddenly that changes and as everyone saw, we started giving him CPR. Help came really, really fast from the medical team and the rest of the staff and with their cooperation we did what we had to do. We managed to get Christian back. He spoke to me before he was taken to the hospital for more analysis.”
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...sper-hjulmand-i-cant-praise-my-players-enough
Would say personally that it'd be harsh to fault the medical team too much based on this perspective - maybe they could have been faster with the defib but it seems that it might not have been deemed strictly necessary upon first exam.
