Undeserved. In his own team there were better players. I think our Bruno had a stronger case.
Cancelo's form had a strong dip later on in the season. KDB was out injured as you recall... I'm not sure how long Foden was on the bench given that by midpoint in the season he was a firm part of the starting XI
On the way to not winning another tournament.
De Bruyne played 400 minutes more than Foden over the season (Foden had 3 appearances more, 17 starts, 11 subs, De Bruyne and 25 starts and 3 subs). Greenwood had 200 minutes more this season, 300 fewer last season as an example. Foden was a bit part player for most of it but had a few notable big games (Liverpool & Arsenal away) before becoming a starter at the end of the season.
On our way to producing some fun footy!
Ah, must be recency bias then on my part, had the impression that Foden played more.
It is true that we are a little spoilt for choice and I wouldn't have any beef with Grealish, Rashford or Sancho being picked ahead of him, but I would pick Foden based on all current factors. To say there is 'no way' it should happen is actually ridiculous.
That's what we always say.
Its true that Foden does get overhyped, but your equally overhyping Sancho and Grealish. If I'm not mistaken Grealish and Southgate worked with each other in the under 17 or 18 team, yet Southgate just recently called him up to the senior team (he has 7 apps for England and he's almost 26), when he started becoming a better footballer in the past 2 years, barely did anyone hear about him, reminds me of James Maddison hype yet he's nowhere near this squad today. Sancho has done well in Germany as well, but he hasn't performed well for England he has made 19 apps compared to Foden who made his 7, and Sancho has only scored 3 goals, if you and other thought Foden performance was poor, Sancho against Romania was even worse then this. Neither him or Foden deserve to be starters over the other imo. The reality is Southgate or any English manager probably won't be able to get the best out of these players, unless England can convince Pep, Klopp or even Tuchel to manage them, this will be another wasted generation imo. The game against Croatia wasn't just Foden but all the players looked unsure and didn't know what they were doing other then being pragmatic, when they had far better talent and quality. I can also see why he may prefer Foden for the time being and its probably due to the fact Stones, Sterling and Walker are starters and along with Foden they play club football together, so he may hope there chemistry may help him going forward.
de bruyne's season for city last season is so over hyped it's untrue. Dias, Cancelo and Gundogan all had superior seasons to him.
I disagree. you really have to show it. Foden is 21 and he is still in teetering on the can he nail down a starting spot position at City. It cam be argued Foden is still not a regular starter throughout a season for City and with Grealish linked, he might still not be next year.
Sancho was already one of the best players in Germany 2 seasons ago. While Foden was still getting 5 min in a meaningless cup game. You are comparing one good half season Foden to 3 excellent/good seasons Sancho?
Well the same can be said about Sancho isnt it?
Which one is he again? They’re not giving chances to all youngsters, they’re giving chances to extremely talented youngster last (more willingly than any other club in the world probably).
Foden was the reason behind City’s title win? What?
A reason - not the reason.
As was Eric García then.
I mean Foden apparently had 3 goals scored in the CL this year - a competition they got to the final of. 14 goals/assists in 28 games - one involvement in every 2 games in arguably the most quality dense/competitive league.
Has to happen eventually, right?
But Foden hasnt been been a constant part of this season, has he been a starter for half the games?
Foden was the reason City are PL champions? Are you having a laugh right now? The team that has won 3/4 PL titles ?
A reason and not the reason.
Perhaps a chance, but certainly not unlimited patience or a guarantue to play regularily.
Totally agree. While one can argue that playing in the Bundesliga inflates numbers but not compared to playing for City. Foden's performances cannot be compared to Sancho's yet. The latter has been setting records for a young player in the Bundesliga, whereas Foden has not done any such thing. He's been good not freakishly good like Sancho, yet.
I've clearly explained why already.
Rather I'm comparing a player who had the patience and determination to stay at City and prove to Guardiola he deserved a place in his XI on merit. To a player who didn't and chose to get regular time at a lower level without having to prove to Guardiola he was worthy of a place in his team. It's that simple.
Yes it's not comparable because Sancho's level of performances have been much greater. Foden has been very good for City but he has not reached Sancho's level who has been one of Europe's most productive attackers in recent years. At 19-21.
He's not better because he ran off, he's better because he's proving it week in week out.
Foden has. He has forced Guardiola to start picking and relying on him consistently
Teetering my foot. Foden is now a regular. Either a starter or first off the bench. Just like a Sancho at Dortmund. The ONLY reason Sancho had been at it longer is being at Dortmund competing with fellow kids. Why Foden was trying to beat off men and guardiola's standards to get a first team slot.
Or it can also be argued Foden has impressed so much this year. He will be the designated Aguero replacement from next season. Backed by Gabriel Jesus and Ferran Torres. With Grealish being brought to take his former place as winger and Bernardo Silva competition. So that's neither here nor there. Just pure speculation.....
Strictly because he has had 3 years of regular first team football and has proved himself accordingly. Not by ANY means because he is actually better than a Foden. As the current national team pecking order between the 2 shows.
Wrong. He seems better because he run off to a place that could allow him to show every week how good he is as a player.
Foden has been protected beyond belief. Don't make out it's the 'hard' route. It's much harder going to a foreign country, challenging for the league and playing week in week out in both the league and CL.
Do you seriously and honestly believe Foden playing regularly for a Dortmund wouldn't be "freakishly good" with his numbers?
There is ZERO protection in being forced to wait for a starting place when you are good enough to play talent wise. Yet ahead of you are world class players and a manager who is insisting "you wait your turn", regardless of that said talent you possess.
I think both approaches should be praised surely? I wish more youngsters went out and got first team football earlier to be honest.
Is he a regular starter or only starting because Sterling is stupidly out of form? And is that why Pep is looking at Grealish for his position?
Not sure disengenious was the word you were looking for.
Exactly! I don't get why either path should be used as a stick to beat the other player and claim this 'one is the better one'.
I'm not. I'm actually criticizing ANYONE claiming that player is the 'proven superior one' just because they took that path and the other just as talented player didn't.
I agree. I wont knock Sancho for leaving City. Jut like I refuse to knock Foden for staying in spite of the odds. To me, I think he took the tougher gamble. I'm just happy its panning out for him now too.
bingo.
Sterling and Bernardo Silva are looking to leave City so I‘d imagine that Grealish will be to replace one of them. Pep says that Foden’s long term position will be in midfield but he’s still learning. I don’t think if Grealish signs it will be to replace Foden.
Disingenuous is precisely the word I need. Because some like you insist on painting Foden staying at City, training the same hours and insisting on fighting for a starting place against the odds of:
