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After a game like that, if you're coming in here to try and temper any hype about Pogba (who is indeed our own fecking player), that says it all.
5 years of excuses tends to temper expectations tbh
 

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He also said Pogba is terrific for France and praised him for 2 particular long balls, one of which led to the goal.

You can pick and choose your examples to suggest a fake narrative or you can look at everything alley said and realized he's not out for blood against Pogba.
He added a negative caveat after that comment and ignored several other pieces of defensive work that he didn’t with other players. Listen you always come in with these comments probably because they suit your negative narrative, whereas I have a different view.
 

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Well we need to progress. Our system is limited to how far it can get us! Two limited DMs is well very limiting.

If we play two DMs they need to be very very good on the ball. Ours aren't.
That's a different debate. But the answer isn't planting Bruno at CM just so you give Pogba more licence to roam.
One draw back about Bruno is he's often too direct even in deeper parts of the pitch and that surrenders possession too easily. Ole has said it himself he has him pulling his hair out on the touchline when he does it.

Brunos directness should not be inhibited, but endorsed by playing him where he does most damage. Its also best for the team in my opinion. Pushing Bruno, our best player, back to cater for Pogba, a player who has had one foot out the door for a year now, is absolute batshit madness.
 

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I think some have stopped watching the games and just decided Pogba is always better for France than he is for us. Both fans and media figures. It's become about criticising United now.

He's played much better than that for us. Against Spurs he was twice as good.

He was good tonight in the first half. Second half him and the rest of the French team dropped deep, kept it safe and simple. Nothing mind blowing there.
 

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Was very good today. On the defensive side he doesn’t run enough but did well to win the ball back using his strength
I agree, his main weakness is his stamina. You can see he gets gassed at about 65-ish mins, which I assume is normal for such a big guy with many bursts of explosiveness throughout the match.
 

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He added a negative caveat after that comment and ignored several other pieces of defensive work that he didn’t with other players. Listen you always come in with these comments probably because they suit your negative narrative, whereas I have a different view.
What negative narrative? Pogba had a good game. Pogba had a heavy touch on one occasion. Pogba plays very well for France. Pogba played some magnificent balls today.

These are all things that both me and the commentator said. None of it has a negative narrative, so stop trying to spin one.
 

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He added a negative caveat after that comment and ignored several other pieces of defensive work that he didn’t with other players. Listen you always come in with these comments probably because they suit your negative narrative, whereas I have a different view.
McCoist is one of the nicest most jovial media figures around. Loves a character.

Why would he decide to have a problem with Pogba?
 

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10s tend to drift but to be clear, Griezmann was very much part of a front 3. Bruno isn't a player who will play on the left over Rashford nor on the right over Sancho. He'd likely play in his best position which is 10, with licence to roam.
Well Bruno will have to adapt as the double pivot + a number 10 bullshit has to stop if we want to compete. I think he could do a job in a 4-3-3 as much as further forward. Just as Pogba.
 

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McCoist is one of the nicest most jovial media figures around. Loves a character.

Why would he decide to have a problem with Pogba?
He doesn't. The poster is chatting shit and making things up. McCoist praised Pogba on about 3 different occasions, pointed out a slightly heavy touch in the offside goal, and the poster reacted like he burned his house down.
 

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I have to disagree. I agree with your sentiment of people over playing Pogbas brillance the second half of the season when he has simply been decent and good at times. But take away those decisive moment and Fernandes has actually been very poor thesecond half of the season and far sloppier than Pogba which is something Pogba gets aimed at him very often and rightly so.
How Fernandes got player of the season this past year is beyond me personally. I think he has actually been very much a similar player in terms of giving the ball away badly and not playing to hs potential consistently that we criticise Pogba for
Maybe because Bruno has scored 26 in 1.5 seasons.

To put that into context - Pogba has scored 28 in 5... I can see why..
 

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Well Bruno will have to adapt as the double pivot + a number 10 bullshit has to stop if we want to compete. I think he could do a job in a 4-3-3 as much as further forward. Just as Pogba.
Bruno doesn't need to adapt to shit because he's not the problem. You don't take your best assets just to "do a job" in midfield. That's not how competing works.

Pogba was v v good today, as he is for France frequently in tournaments. He was the most advanced central midfielder who can't play in the same position for us because there's a better player ahead of him. It's that simple.
 

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He doesn't. The poster is chatting shit and making things up. McCoist praised Pogba on about 3 different occasions, pointed out a slightly heavy touch in the offside goal, and the poster reacted like he burned his house down.
Oh grow up
 

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Playing Bruno and Pogba as two central midfielders is only going to work in a very well coached system where we barely give the ball away. That's the only way it worked for the likes of say, KDB and B Silva.

Ole doesn't coach such systems and neither of those players, as good as they are, retain the ball quite as well. They are more direct in their play so planting them BOTH at CM will ask for trouble.
Yep. They're both brilliant players. Pogba more silky on the ball, Bruno more relentless with the work rate and direct in his play. Against a large amount of teams it'd be fine if we get a quality defensive mid, but in the big games it just won't work unless we had Kante with them. Even then not convinced. Neither are the possession players, players who dictate the tempo. Both are players who sprinkle the quality and give that attacking burst, which is fine and how Ole used them to end the season was good... except we didn't have enough quality in the midfield behind them, and Greenwood isn't at that level yet on the right. And Rashford can't play on the right. So I just don't see a long term solution to Pogba and Bruno, but anyway I doubt it'll need to be an issue for long. He'll leave this summer or next summer, unfortunately we haven't been able to get the best out of him and never had the right set up around him, but at least we got Bruno in and with Sancho coming hopefully, I don't think it'll be a huge loss. We definitely need to sort out the midfield though.
 

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He does the same stuff for us very often but in a worse team, so most of our agenda-driven fans don't notice.
Occasionally he pulls off the same great stuff yeah. People are talking about his energy/effort/effectiveness level though, which seems to take a step up with France. It may be because he’s in a better team and has more freedom though as has been mentioned, but it’s a talking point
 

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It's our other two midfielders. So you either put Pogba in more of a Rabiot role, or you move him on.

Pogba is unhappy with us partly because he doesn't play in the advanced central role he wants, so it seems from his latest quotes as a preference. But no chance he takes that remit over Bruno. So although Pogba is also not a problem, he's not going to be a solution. Not least because he wants out anyway.

If it were up to me ideally I would see him stay and play him as a piviot with a better DM. But no chance in hell I take Bruno away from the 10.
 

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While fans in here are using Bruno as a stick to beat Pogba with here's man himself


:lol: :rolleyes:
 

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Unsurprisingly brilliant again today. I've said plenty of times that the answer to providing Pogba with the platform for these performances is a capable and confident DM (Kante) next to him that doesn't shit himself when passed the ball. Fred can chase and tackle (even though he's positionally shit) but he's clearly not good when pressured on the ball. Bruno has a bad tendency as the 3rd midfielder to disconnect too much from the pivot and play as a second striker as well, which is why in games like Villareal we get this shit 4-2-4 type set up that doesn't offer anyone in pockets of space to drag defenders out. It's partly on Bruno, and majority on getting that DM in that allows us to play without avoiding passing certain players the ball for fear of them fecking up.
 

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Today highlights again we need a CDM to play with him and Bruno.

Pogba on form is unplayable.
 

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Unsurprisingly brilliant again today. I've said plenty of times that the answer to providing Pogba with the platform for these performances is a capable and confident DM (Kante) next to him that doesn't shit himself when passed the ball. Fred can chase and tackle (even though he's positionally shit) but he's clearly not good when pressured on the ball. Bruno has a bad tendency as the 3rd midfielder to disconnect too much from the pivot and play as a second striker as well, which is why in games like Villareal we get this shit 4-2-4 type set up that doesn't offer anyone in pockets of space to drag defenders out. It's partly on Bruno, and majority on getting that DM in that allows us to play without avoiding passing certain players the ball for fear of them fecking up.
I initially thought this was more on the coaches, but then again Bruno played exactly like this is the Portugal match today.

The strange thing is when he first came he was dictating and connecting a lot more than he does now, but then he became very focused on making runs to directly score or assist. I much prefer his previous, more controlled play.
 

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It's our other two midfielders. So you either put Pogba in more of a Rabiot role, or you move him on.

Pogba is unhappy with us partly because he doesn't play in the advanced central role he wants, so it seems from his latest quotes as a preference. But no chance he takes that remit over Bruno. So although Pogba is also not a problem, he's not going to be a solution. Not least because he wants out anyway.

If it were up to me ideally I would see him stay and play him as a piviot with a better DM. But no chance in hell I take Bruno away from the 10.
We will see. I’m not sure Bruno is the answer either, not for the biggest prizes. His numbers so far have been great but his performances for me often don’t match his stats and impact the team.

To be fair both are great players but neither had a consistent season. I’m of the opinion we still need to be better coached as a team, but I’m also in no doubt that the more great players we sign the better we will be. If we could add Sancho, Varane and a great DM to Pogba, Cavani, Greenwood, Rashford, Maguire, Shaw etc we’d be getting somewhere but still need to be better coached to win the biggest prizes and seen genuinely consistent performances from our players
 

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He will never perform for United like he do with France, unless we get a top class DM next to him. He also looks much more motivated in the blue shirt. Just sell him and move on imo. Hopefully the Euros would bump his price up as well
 

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I initially thought this was more on the coaches, but then again Bruno played exactly like this is the Portugal match today.

The strange thing is when he first came he was dictating and connecting a lot more than he does now, but then he became very focused on making runs to directly score or assist. I much prefer the previous version he showed.
I agree with your last paragraph. The way he finished the season, he was way too peripheral. He needs to be more involved
 

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I initially thought this was more on the coaches, but then again Bruno played exactly like this is the Portugal match today.

The strange thing is when he first came he was dictating and connecting a lot more than he does now, but then he became very focused on making runs to directly score or assist. I much prefer his previous, more controlled play.
He was immense pre lockdown. I agree something has changed in where he is playing now
 

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Great comparison between an attacking forward player who takes penalties and midfield playmaker.
Is it..I was simply saying I can see why he got Player of the season. I didn't compare I just put it into context - before Bruno did Pogba not miss a couple of penalties?

Anyway...

Playmaker Hay.

Bruno = 19 in 1.5 seasons
Pogba = 14 in 2.5 seasons (half season when he was injured)
 

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A lot of fanbois do take the internet debates too seriously tbh when the players themselves must be laughing at them
Hilarious seeing fans use them for agendas against each other while in real life they likely facetime each other every night :lol:
 

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Is it..I was simply saying I can see why he got Player of the season. I didn't compare I just put it into context - before Bruno did Pogba not miss a couple of penalties?

Anyway...

Playmaker Hay.

Bruno = 19 in 1.5 seasons
Pogba = 14 in 2.5 seasons (half season when he was injured)
That's interesting. Would you be able to break those stats down to per game?
 
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