Harry Wilson red card
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There is ways to cynically stop play and get away with it see Fernandinho, and then there is being 3 down and just kicking a player for the sake of it, it’s a red for me.
Reminded me of the James Morrison tackle on Ronaldo, but failed to make as much contact. Obviously only went in there to hurt the player out of petulance and frustration over the result, should be a red for me even if he failed.
Red card under the current laws of the game
Think you should stick to the rugby, mate.
I literally play across the road from Hackney Marshes and have seen brawls break out for less.
Why not try to win it back instead?
The game was gone their heads had gone. It was petulant. But it was never an attempt "to do" him.
It might teach him a lesson but it was never a red card - not that it made any difference which is why he was so stupid anyway.
It was a yellow all day long.
Under current rules? Never a red in a million years for me. As for whether such incidents 'should' be a red because they're cynical deliberate fouls. I get where you're coming from. It's 'unsporting behaviour'. But isn't that what yellow cards used to be for? You say he could have been injured by the trip. But you can be injured in almost any encounter on a football pitch. Where would you draw the line? You'd be sending players off for every shirt pull, every time someone blocked off a man, or dive, or delay of play by standing in way of freekick or throwing ball away. They're all yellow card offences for me. Never a red.
Love that argument. If you don't agree with me, you clearly never played football.wtf
I think it'd be a lot easier to do when only taking into account challenges where the player goes to ground, as with tripping you can hide it a bit by extending your leg for the ball while standing, knowing you're not getting it but making it look natural enough that it can be passed off as a genuine effort.
I played in the Welsh prem for a few years and saw challenges like today plenty, especially at the end of a game where everyone is tired. Usually when a young forward was going past a grizzled CB. I've honestly never seen anyone fight over a challenge like the one today. If there was more of a connection, maybe? But a challenge like this no one would bat their eye. It was a cloggers league though
In what world did he use excessive force or brutality?
The initial angle made it look way worse than it was.
Did you watch the replay from the other angle?
When you're that late and far from the ball it probably is worthy of a red. I know the contact wasn't bad, but he clearly deliberately took him out. You might get away with those sometimes, but of all the things Wales can complain about with the ref today, I don't think the red card is one.
The thing is under the rules it is not a red at all. Arguing that the rules are wrong is another thing though.
Just seen it, no clue what the ref saw there to warrant a red. It's not even a kinda red territory.
It was a yellow at worst. Only a red if he'd been the last man.
I played in the north wales league, we had fights nearly every week over anything
The red had more to do with sending a message to stop the escalating fouls I feel. Itself wasnt really a red, but it was clear the game was escalating and it needed to be stopped before someone lost their head
Excessive force? I mean, he made sure the guy went down that's for certain.
Should have seen it down here too - one guy got sent off for raising his fists when someone clobbered him so he got sent off - whacked him one on the way off saying might as wellI played in the north wales league, we had fights nearly every week over anything
I agree challenges like that should result in a sending off but this shouldn’t not have been a red card under the current rules.
ooh your hard
This one seemed much more innocuous IMO. If I remember right the point of contact on the Rooney foul was around the thigh.
Who did you play for? The only time I ever saw an actual physical fight (and that's being generous with the terminology), was Lee Kendall drunk after a game with one of the players uncle. On the pitch I never saw a fight.I played in the north wales league, we had fights nearly every week over anything
Did you watch the replay because he barely makes contact with his foot?
It was, but think Rooneys really looked like a clumsy, mistimed trip to stop the counter
Yeah, it was a weird one.
Did you just read the non-bolded part of the quote and ignore the bolded part? I watched the real-time footage (just like the ref) and it was obvious that he went in way too hard in an attempt to do the player without attempting to win the ball.
I said that it doesn't matter if he failed in his attempt to do the player, as per the rules.
This point doesn't really work though, as you could make the same argument about any contact during a match.
This was a trip, intended to stop the player without causing damage. By the rules as they are, it isn't a red in a million years. If you disagree with the rules, and feel that it should be, that's a different conversation.
This was never a red in any game I've ever seen, so if it's now red then change the rulebook before so everyone knows, and not on the whim of a ref who's just had enough of all the Welsh cynical fouling.
There was no attempt to hurt, this was a trip intended to stop the player progressing with the ball. You're right about petulance and frustration (although I think that's pretty understandable given the circumstances), but there was no excessive force or brutality.
Yellow without question, never a red.
Never a red
Exactly.
I read it but the bolded is the part of the rules you are referring to which I disagree with.
Also none of the pundits or any commentator I've seen anywhere think it was a red. The only people I can find who think it was are here on the caf.
Ah, so you disagree with the rules as they're written. Then we'll have a hard time agreeing here.
Welcome in 2021, people can just google the rules in 10 seconds, but they rather make up their own and blame the ref for sticking to the official ones.
None of the factors mentioned in the rules happened, though.
Charming
Yeah same here. It's really surprising to me that anyone could possibly think it was a red.
No fecking chance
far, far worse challenges like that go on all the time in Sunday league matches.There’s thresholds here. A trip to stop someone progressing can be done with minimal force that has a very low risk of injuring someone. That is typically a yellow.
This was a bit more though. It was to stop the player progressing but it was also a lunge with a decent amount of force. The attacker was in a position where Wilson could only reach him and stop him with a swipe from behind. The convention has changed here too. In the professional game now those types of tackles are more frequently red cards. It is the combination of cynicism - stopping the attacker progress - and frustration - the extra force that is required to ensure someone is stopped when you are behind them at an angle. The latter point is important because it is what elevates it to a red in the ref’s eyes. That could benefit from clarification in the rules as @Pogue Mahone says, but irregardless refs at the top level will now give that as a red in probably a majority of cases.
This was a bit more though. It was to stop the player progressing but it was also a lunge with a decent amount of force. The attacker was in a position where Wilson could only reach him and stop him with a swipe from behind. The convention has changed here too. In the professional game now those types of tackles are more frequently red cards. It is the combination of cynicism - stopping the attacker progress - and frustration - the extra force that is required to ensure someone is stopped when you are behind them at an angle. The latter point is important because it is what elevates it to a red in the ref’s eyes. That could benefit from clarification in the rules as @Pogue Mahone says, but irregardless refs at the top level will now give that as a red in probably a majority of cases.
Twas harsh, for sure.